F1 2023 Season

My god, the car was a piece of shit when they rolled it off the truck. Every clown and his dog could see that. You seem to think you need to be a genius to see that a car that is 1 second a lap slower than the fastest car on the grid is not a piece of shit. You’re wrong and maybe a little butt hurt who knows. It’s quite simple, radical designs that are slow or not performing, are feck ups.

I don’t have to write a letter to Merc because they would have seen it was a pig during simulation.
It was anything but a pig during simulation. Simulation wise its the fastest concept. Its just utterly impossible to get the CFD numbers to match reality on the track. If they ever did (they wont), they would leave the RedBull for dead on track.

They arent the first or last to be seduced by the numbers, happen to porsche in LMh. Happens in other non f1 stuff (aircraft) where CFD numbers dont match reality.
 
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Aston Martin body looks like a completely new car this year from the comparision pictures I've seen, and Red Bull made many changes watching from the front too, if they don't overspend this year then surely it will mean that other cars on the grid can completely change their design under budget for next year too and there is no need for panic?
The entire grid could try to copy the RB/AM design i.e. front wing/front axle/sidepods/beam wing/rear wing.

Problem is the most important bit, i.e. the floor geometry underneath the car is hidden. Short of a AM/RB being lifted up by a crane or flipping over, no-one else will get to see the floor.

The rear suspension housing is also covered and you cant see that either. So you can copy a AM/RB but it wont yeild similar performance.

Dan Fellows was more heavily involved in the floor design of last years RB than Newey (who cleverly decided to focus on designing the suspension). Dan Fellows has taken that floor knowledge to AM and its paying dividends.

Coming back to Mercedes, this is the problem they face. 50% of the AM, mostly the rear is all Mercedes. The front wing, front axle, sidepods, floor isnt. Those all interplay together to make the AM go like a RB. Decoding that without knowing the floor geometry is very difficult (in my armchair fans humble opinion).
 
Most of them complain less than Hamilton. Only Max comes close from the current lot, probably just few come close in the past 25 years I have been watching.
In your opinion. You’ve got no factual barometer to know if Hamilton complains more than others. Bizarre platform to base your entire argument on.
 
The entire grid could try to copy the RB/AM design i.e. front wing/front axle/sidepods/beam wing/rear wing.

Problem is the most important bit, i.e. the floor geometry underneath the car is hidden. Short of a AM/RB being lifted up by a crane or flipping over, no-one else will get to see the floor.

The rear suspension housing is also covered and you cant see that either. So you can copy a AM/RB but it wont yeild similar performance.

Dan Fellows was more heavily involved in the floor design of last years RB than Newey (who cleverly decided to focus on designing the suspension). Dan Fellows has taken that floor knowledge to AM and its paying dividends.

Coming back to Mercedes, this is the problem they face. 50% of the AM, mostly the rear is all Mercedes. The front wing, front axle, sidepods, floor isnt. Those all interplay together to make the AM go like a RB. Decoding that without knowing the floor geometry is very difficult (in my armchair fans humble opinion).

Yeah, the floor is really important, but again, how AM did it? IMO,, they were just smarter than anyone else this year, made massive changes unlike Ferrari and Merc who for some reason thought they will be quicker just by making small changes for some reason.

In your opinion. You’ve got no factual barometer to know if Hamilton complains more than others. Bizarre platform to base your entire argument on.

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You seem to think I am obsessed with proving that Hamilton is moaner or something.

Guess what, he is a moaner, and a big one. Everyone agrees on that. If you don't agree with that then I don't care, if you want someone to prove a point then it should be you to deny it because pretty much everyone here agrees with me on this except some Hamilton fans.and again, that is fine, I don't care.
 
Yeah, the floor is really important, but again, how AM did it? IMO,, they were just smarter than anyone else this year, made massive changes unlike Ferrari and Merc who for some reason thought they will be quicker just by making small changes for some reason.
AM were coming from further back on the grid compared to last season and they have been aggressive in recruiting from the big three. Obviously if you get one of Neweys core team members to jump ship, that knowledge once applied will get you up the pecking order.

I forget the name of the ferrari aerodynamist whos on "gardening leave" before he joins Mclaren. Just in time for their new wind tunnel to be completed. Wouldnt be a suprise for the 2024 Mclaren to be a copy of the Ferrari.
 
AM were coming from further back on the grid compared to last season and they have been aggressive in recruiting from the big three. Obviously if you get one of Neweys core team members to jump ship, that knowledge once applied will get you up the pecking order.

I forget the name of the ferrari aerodynamist whos on "gardening leave" before he joins Mclaren. Just in time for their new wind tunnel to be completed. Wouldnt be a suprise for the 2024 Mclaren to be a copy of the Ferrari.

Yeah, that's good point.
 
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You seem to think I am obsessed with proving that Hamilton is moaner or something.

Guess what, he is a moaner, and a big one. Everyone agrees on that. If you don't agree with that then I don't care, if you want someone to prove a point then it should be you to deny it because pretty much everyone here agrees with me on this except some Hamilton fans.and again, that is fine, I don't care.
Laughing emojis don’t suddenly enhance your point.

I agree, Hamilton moans. Didn’t disagree. Simply made the point that it is in YOUR opinion that he moans MORE than other drivers in comparable positions. I.E the point around relatively. The assumption underpins your entire argument. And so please don’t come at me as if I have some kind of agenda to prove you hate Hamilton. Just pointing out that your key assumption is based on your opinion which isn’t factually proven (and no, the onus is not on me to prove it; it’s your assumption, it’s yours to prove. And I don’t think it’s universally agree that Hamilton moans MORE than others in a comparable position (reminder in case it isn’t clear enough: not that he moans, that he moans MORE).

You seem to have some kind of issue with everyone who doesn’t agree that Hamilton looks bad out of this (which, by the way, I haven’t even passed a view on). You clearly do care based on your replies in this thread but OK, keep saying you don’t care: again, doesn’t add strength to your argument.

Anyway, done arguing semantics.

As for the actual issue here, I think he didn’t need to come out in public and say this - but for anyone willing to dig a bit deeper into the context and not just read the words, it’s plainly obvious the issue has been misrepresented. I think it’s unnecessary and he’s saying stuff he didn’t have to say, but it’s nonetheless being misrepresented.

As for the discussion about Hamilton knowing what a car needs, it’s obviously somewhere between having no ability to input and being able to be a key input. It’s naive to think F1 drivers have no understanding of certain things which impact the fundamental driveability of a car. Yes their expertise is primarily to support weekend setups, but it’s ignorant to think they can have no input to fundamental design decisions. Having said that, they would only be a small part of the puzzle. The engineers and data and expertise in these fields is much more important, obviously. But, a driver would be able to input, and certainly with a real world lens beyond just data and analysis and stats. And remember, that’s the key issue here for Mercedes. They’ve gone with a concept which looks incredible in simulation but cannot be replicated in the real world.
 
Big upgrades coming in Imola.

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/aston-martin-f1-steigerung-analyse-2023/



Aston Martin engineers are already announcing a major upgrade for the sixth race of the season that promises a significant step forward.

Aston Martin is only allowed to use the Mercedes wind tunnel on Friday, Saturday and Sunday and loses time when recalibrating. Aston Martin has already refrained from using the simulator and the competitor's analysis tools. It is better to be in a worse simulator than to rent somewhere.

The new 360-degree simulator will be assembled by the end of the year. But it will have to wait until 2024 for use until the building around it is finished. The same goes for the company's own wind tunnel. Technically, Aston Martin is still dependent on Mercedes. The engine, transmission and rear axle come from Brixworth and Brackley. That restricts the designers' freedom in the rear of the car.
 
Expect to see a lot of changes to cars in that period considering how poor some of the development has been particularly Mercedes and McLaren but also those who changed direction last year (AM). There is a large gap with the Chinese GP cancelled resulting in April effectively having no racing but then straight into the double header of Baku and Miami then into the European races starting with Imola - most of those have long straights but aero parts need testing.

That said, it feels like the early season excitement has evaporated because nobody can catch RB until next year.
 
And vassure won't hang around if he's not going to be able to install his philosophy of team dynamics, he left Renault after 1 season after seeing what a shambles they were.
The race has a decent video on this.
Its really not what F1 needs. A ferrari civil war. Mercedes stumbling in the dark.

The only potential saviour is a customer team with one of the greatest drivers of his generation at the wheel.

Its doomed....
 
Charles Leclerc will have his work cut out in this weekend’s Saudi Arabian Grand Prix after his Ferrari team were forced to fit another control electronics power unit component, which in turn triggers a grid penalty.

Ferrari replaced the Energy Store and Control Electronics on Leclerc’s engine before the season opening Bahrain Grand Prix. The Monegasque then retired when in contention for a podium behind the two Red Bulls

As teams are only permitted to use two control electronics components per season without penalty, Leclerc’s move to a third for race two in Jeddah ensures he will have at least a 10-place grid drop this Sunday – and potentially more if they replace any other parts – and increases the chances of him taking a further penalty later in the season.
 
He'll never leave Ferrari. They will buttfeck him for his entire career. It's really sad, would be even worse if Verstappen wasn't around.
 
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so thats Leclerc's season already fecked ? only allowed 2 ECU's in a season and already on 3 after just one race, can this last the rest of the season ? How long are they designed to last for ?
 
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so thats Leclerc's season already fecked ? only allowed 2 ECU's in a season and already on 3 after just one race, can this last the rest of the season ? How long are they designed to last for ?
Season fecked? Come on, it's just the second race of the season and even if he starts like 14th or something he can easily get a points finish. Ferrari just have to make sure they've fixed the component so it doesn't break down again.
 
Season fecked? Come on, it's just the second race of the season and even if he starts like 14th or something he can easily get a points finish. Ferrari just have to make sure they've fixed the component so it doesn't break down again.
OK fecked was a bit OTT, Thats why was asking.
I know he will get points, thats a given.
I have no idea how many ECU 's are used in a season.
 
OK fecked was a bit OTT, Thats why was asking.
I know he will get points, thats a given.
I have no idea how many ECU 's are used in a season.
Me neither though the limit of 2 per season suggests not a lot. Not some mechanical component that'll wear a lot. But if you screw something up and you fry two in one race weekend.. yeah you've got yourself a problem that needs fixing as soon as possible.
 
Season fecked? Come on, it's just the second race of the season and even if he starts like 14th or something he can easily get a points finish. Ferrari just have to make sure they've fixed the component so it doesn't break down again.

Leclerc is probably our only hope(and it's just hope more than anything, because realistically this is not possible either) as someone who could possibly challenge Verstappen for the title, so two races already fecked up means that we are probably left only with Alonso, and I really doubt AM will be anywhere near RB for entire season. So I can understand the frustration.
 
Lewis in a Ferrari that is running right, with reliability and the right strategy would be worth seeing, 2 maybe 3 seasons. But I don't think he will leave Mercedes.
I dont think he will leave Mercedes either, though it would freshen things up, especially if leclerc went to the mercedes seat.
 
Hopefully it doesn't impact his performance too much though truth be told it could make things more interesting if it did :nervous:
He will still win by a comfortable margin, the car is too good and competition is non existant.