F1 2023 Season

SilentWitness said:
Hamilton definitely doesn't have 'the dog' in him anymore that defined him in his early career. I think it's a mix of a few things, the farcical decision for Max, the shite car and age.
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I dont think I agree with you.
We could see that the car for most of the season was utter shit and only very briefly showed it could be a race winner , but then went backwards.
We can only hope that Mercedes have got next seasons car right and are up there with RB and getting wins, because another season like this and more and more fans will turn their back on the sport.
The rumoured change in the sprint race, will not work for me, I thin better to scrap it totally.
You are right that 2021 knocked the stuffing out of him, but I thought he came back well and yes his age is against him, where has I have no doubt he is physically fit, I would bet he hurts more after each race.
Iam not taking anything away from Max, he , the team and the car were working in perfect unison, and you need all 3 to get a winning season, but I have never seen a team , driver and car working so well , not even Mecedes at their peak.
Lewis is now 38, realistically how many season does he have left in him, well Alonso is 42 and in the right car I think he could win races, Lewis is a better driver than Alonso, so I would say minimum 4 more seasons, he is desperate for that 8th title.
 
The-Race website have a interview with Hamilton.

He confirmed the team didn't listen to him for the changes he wanted for the 2022 car. But those changes are happening for 2024 car. So probably one of the reasons Mike Elliot got fired and replaced by James Allison.

Though he did confirm he was going to retire after the abu dhabi race if it had ended differently.

Does make me wonder, who Mercedes would have gotten for 22 in such short notice. I presume they would have tried somehow to get Alonso? (Obviously no one knew the car would be a dog). If Alonso wasnt available then who?

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/hamilton-end-of-year-interview/
 
Abdu Dhabi - post season, tyre and young driver test Results.

1. Carlos Sainz 1:24.799 69 Laps
2. Sergio Perez 1:25.724 49 Laps
3. Oscar Piastri 1:25.930 48 Laps
4. Felipe Drugovich 1:26.265 53 Laps
5. Robert Shwartzman 1:26.267 60 Laps
6. George Russell 1:26.283 58 Laps
7. Jake Dennis 1:26.441 61 Laps
8. Pato O’Ward 1:26.499 72 Laps
9. Lance Stroll 1:27.775 34 Laps
10. Franco Colapinto 1:26.832 65 Laps
11. Oliver Bearman 1:26.928 45 Laps
12. Esteban Ocon 1:26.958 63 Laps
13. Daniel Ricciardo 1:26.965 55 Laps
14. Frederik Vesti 1:27.041 58 Laps
15. Jack Doohan 1:27.176 53 Laps
16. Pietro Fittipaldi 1:27.368 54 Laps
17. Theo Pourchaire 1:27.783 12 Laps
18. Alex Albon 1:27.824 51 Laps
19. Zhou Guanyu 1:28.747 54 Laps
20. Ayumu Iwasa 1:30.538 41 Laps
 
dinostar77 said:
The-Race website have a interview with Hamilton.

He confirmed the team didn't listen to him for the changes he wanted for the 2022 car. But those changes are happening for 2024 car. So probably one of the reasons Mike Elliot got fired and replaced by James Allison.

Though he did confirm he was going to retire after the abu dhabi race if it had ended differently.

Does make me wonder, who Mercedes would have gotten for 22 in such short notice. I presume they would have tried somehow to get Alonso? (Obviously no one knew the car would be a dog). If Alonso wasnt available then who?

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/hamilton-end-of-year-interview/
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Maybe Albon given the Mercedes Williams links?
 
Toto Wolff revealed that Aston Martin’s performance gains at the start of the F1 2023 season were beneficial to Mercedes. The impressive surge by Aston Martin allowed Mercedes to rule out shared components as the cause of their early-season struggles.

“It was actually really good that Aston Martin was so competitive at the beginning of the season,”

“Because that at least for us made it clear that the rear end is not the problem, the gearbox is not the problem, the engine is not the problem, the rear suspension is not the problem. We have to look elsewhere.”

“And that’s why I like having teams that are on the same spec.”

VIA: [PLANET F1]
 
Amar__ said:
Toto Wolff revealed that Aston Martin’s performance gains at the start of the F1 2023 season were beneficial to Mercedes. The impressive surge by Aston Martin allowed Mercedes to rule out shared components as the cause of their early-season struggles.

“It was actually really good that Aston Martin was so competitive at the beginning of the season,”

“Because that at least for us made it clear that the rear end is not the problem, the gearbox is not the problem, the engine is not the problem, the rear suspension is not the problem. We have to look elsewhere.”

“And that’s why I like having teams that are on the same spec.”

VIA: [PLANET F1]
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That level of troubleshooting is more common at a software startup that scrambles to provide an overnight fix in production than an F1 racing team with thousands of employees.

Here's one more for Toto, the paint probably was not the problem either.
 
The Firestarter said:
That level of troubleshooting is more common at a software startup that scrambles to provide an overnight fix in production than an F1 racing team with thousands of employees.

Here's one more for Toto, the paint probably was not the problem either.
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He has become really weird lately.
 
Sargeant signs for another season, baffling decision by Williams. It's one of those decisions where I don't think the money/popularity he brings ftom USA is not good enough.
 
Amar__ said:
Sargeant signs for another season, baffling decision by Williams. It's one of those decisions where I don't think the money/popularity he brings ftom USA is not good enough.
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Who would you have signed do you think?
 
Amar__ said:
Lawson, Mick, etc. are both better if available. I am sure there many other, since Sargeant is really poor.
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Schumacher isn't that amazing so at that point I'd be asking if he can bring as much money as Sargent. Lawson does look really good though, I guess it depends if they could afford to take a chance on him or not maybe.
 
TwoSheds said:
Schumacher isn't that amazing so at that point I'd be asking if he can bring as much money as Sargent. Lawson does look really good though, I guess it depends if they could afford to take a chance on him or not maybe.
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I am not his biggest fan, but Schumacher has proved he can be quick, altough still inconsistent, but we don't know if that Haas was fit for him. But Sargeant is slow, and he has crashed few times this season too.
 
Hardly any driver outside of the top teams is in F1 on merit alone. Every year those without the cash get dropped. See Vergne, Nasr from recent seasons.
 
Leclerc signing new deal til 2029 - I don't know how to feel about it. He deserves a car to challenge for the title and he has had so many heartbreaks there.
 
JuriM said:
Leclerc signing new deal til 2029 - I don't know how to feel about it. He deserves a car to challenge for the title and he has had so many heartbreaks there.
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He will never leave. Ferrari still means something + his lies to his dad before he passed means he will be there until they get rid of him.
 
JuriM said:
Leclerc signing new deal til 2029 - I don't know how to feel about it. He deserves a car to challenge for the title and he has had so many heartbreaks there.
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Apparently there is a break clause in the contract. What that is exactly? No idea.
 
According to Erik van Haren, FOM has responded saying they are fully confident that the allegations are unfounded and that the FIA did not share their statement with them ahead of the public release.


 
I don't believe any of the rumours, I think they are both far to professional to do this.
Would be interesting to find where the rumours started.
A report in BusinessF1 magazine suggested that a comment Wolff made in a recent team principal meeting, based on information that could only have come from FOM, acted as the trigger point for other bosses to complain. or maybe just the one :rolleyes:
 
The city of Madrid has secured a contract with F1 to host races near the Adolfo Suarez Barajas Airport for 10 years
Track looks, OK some challenging corners, few straights for some passing, what looks like a very challenging twisty part, not a huge fan of street tracks, but have to admit from the pic, it looks like it could be good.


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pauldyson1uk said:
The city of Madrid has secured a contract with F1 to host races near the Adolfo Suarez Barajas Airport for 10 years
Track looks, OK some challenging corners, few straights for some passing, what looks like a very challenging twisty part, not a huge fan of street tracks, but have to admit from the pic, it looks like it could be good.


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Another street circuit. What is F1 new obsession with street circuits?
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I don't believe any of the rumours, I think they are both far to professional to do this.
Would be interesting to find where the rumours started.
A report in BusinessF1 magazine suggested that a comment Wolff made in a recent team principal meeting, based on information that could only have come from FOM, acted as the trigger point for other bosses to complain. or maybe just the one :rolleyes:
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I m not saying these particular things are true, but I don't understand how people can make statements like your first sentence. Even if you knew them personally - "good" people are capable of many things. I work in the prosecution and defense field for employment issues and I guarantee you you would be shocked to know the files that exist on people many may think are great individuals.

We'll see what happens I guess.
 
Redplane said:
I m not saying these particular things are true, but I don't understand how people can make statements like your first sentence. Even if you knew them personally - "good" people are capable of many things. I work in the prosecution and defense field for employment issues and I guarantee you you would be shocked to know the files that exist on people many may think are great individuals.

We'll see what happens I guess.
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yeah fair enough , I have seen good people do some daft things also.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I saw this today, F1 calendar 2029, I know it would never happen , but some interesting tracks on it.
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It would better if they had 7 x races for the Americas. 7 x races for Europe and 7 x races for middle east / far east / africa.
 
Ahmer Baig said:
Another street circuit. What is F1 new obsession with street circuits?
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Commercially stronger performing events, logistically easier to get fans in and out. There's more commercial interest from street circuits to want to put races on. In a period of ownership under Liberty, the clear goal is growing the business and that will naturally point towards street circuits.
 
The Firestarter said:
That level of troubleshooting is more common at a software startup that scrambles to provide an overnight fix in production than an F1 racing team with thousands of employees.

Here's one more for Toto, the paint probably was not the problem either.
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I really don't think there's anything wrong with that statement. It seems like the most obvious common sense to me.

There's nothing about it that says they waited for those results because they weren't sure, likely they were focused on A, B, C and whilst doing that it became clear to them that they didn't need to bother looking at D, E, F which they otherwise would have. If your car wasn't working and you weren't sure why but your partner said 'oh I turned it on and it ticked over properly' then you mentally note that you no longer have to check that. It doesn't mean your troubleshooting is shit, you just became passively aware of something you were able to file away.
 
The FIA has dropped the investigation into the conduct of Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff and his wife Susie after deciding they did not share confidential information.

Susie is the head of the all-female series F1 Academy and it had been claimed by Business F1 magazine that team bosses had issued concerns over the Wolffs discussing details about their respective employers.

The FIA statement read: "Following a review of Formula One Management's F1 Code of Conduct and F1 Conflict of Interest Policy and confirmation that appropriate protective measures are in place to mitigate any potential conflicts, the FIA is satisfied that FOM's compliance management system is robust enough to prevent any unauthorized disclosure of confidential information.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
The FIA has dropped the investigation into the conduct of Mercedes team principal Toto Wolff and his wife Susie after deciding they did not share confidential information.

Susie is the head of the all-female series F1 Academy and it had been claimed by Business F1 magazine that team bosses had issued concerns over the Wolffs discussing details about their respective employers.

The FIA statement read: "Following a review of Formula One Management's F1 Code of Conduct and F1 Conflict of Interest Policy and confirmation that appropriate protective measures are in place to mitigate any potential conflicts, the FIA is satisfied that FOM's compliance management system is robust enough to prevent any unauthorized disclosure of confidential information.
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So basically they've decided they don't want to open this cesspool and would rather look the other way. Again. Teflon Toto strikes again :lol:
 
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