We're on for an incredibly boring season it seems, short of the new Mercedes sidepods having jet engines hidden in them.
F1 2023 Season
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Alonso complementing the car 
Aston need to keep developing this car. This is the best car he has had in a decade and there are barely any serious competitors. Long term it can easily be a winning project.
Says it all really. No posts for the last 15 or so laps
Just what doctor ordered. RB dominance with close fight behind them.
Worked out well!
Easy win for Max.
I was hoping other teams would be up there sadly not, 11 seconds ahead of his team mate and he was 27 second ahead of Alonso
Lewis 50 second back is shocking.
I was hoping other teams would be up there sadly not, 11 seconds ahead of his team mate and he was 27 second ahead of Alonso
Lewis 50 second back is shocking.
Nice, 14.5 for me.17.5 points
Another easy world title for Verstappen upcoming. Delighted.
Red Bull dominating wouldn't be so bad if Perez had some fight in him to make it competitive. But he isn't challenging Max.
Least the F1 went well for me this weekend.
Least I'm top of our prediction league....
Cheers United for bursting my bubble
Cheers United for bursting my bubble
I'd absolutely love an Alonso vs Max fight. Agree re Perez, he reminds me of Bottas, he's fine but nothing more. Wonder if he'd be allowed to fight Max if he was better?
Toto is fed up.
I go back to last season when he was actually ahead of Max in the first few races; Barcelona comes around and he happily accepts a strategy call to put him 2nd fiddle and Max jumps him in the stops. He finally stood up for himself a little towards the end of the season but too little too late. At least when Vettel was at RB occasionally Webber would fight him.
Aston Martin will have a load more development time than RBR this season so there's a chance Alonso might get a bit closer or be in position to take on Max, it will be fireworks as I reckon Alonso won't give Max the same amount of leeway Lewis did.
On the last point, it's a no until someone in the RBR driver program turns up, they have got a pretty good setup when you think about so there's no need to change that chucking in driver who will challenge Max, they can dominate both championships until the next regulation changes.
Jees, just caught up with the GP. Season is sown up for RedBull. No one is catching them with a budget cap in place.
If you want a graph to visualise how much floor downforce the RB has, look at the wear on the soft tyres
At least with Hamilton we always had the potential of a decent team-mate battle (aside from Botas) with Rosberg, Alonso, Button, Russell, but with Max he is so far ahead of everyone else it's a one team, one driver season.
Great to see Alonso back at the front though
Great to see Alonso back at the front though
One of the worst days in racing? Really Toto? Some of last season's races were way worse for Mercedes.
If Redbull win the first 10 races at a plus 20 second distance, i can see f1 changing the rules to slow them down.
Or all the other teams will overspend on their 'catering' budget.
Or all the other teams will overspend on their 'catering' budget.
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I used to enjoy F1 back in the day, but I fell out of love with it. I don't have Sky which doesn't help.
But I put the Channel 4 highlights on at 9pm and I have a question: at one point they showed a 'drivers view' and you could see the steering wheel was basically a 7" LCD and it was flashing up 'brake alert'.
When I play Forza on Xbox I have it so red chevrons come on when I should be braking. Is this essentially the same?
If so I am done with it. (Again)
A few years ago I read that a F1 car could be piloted by computer (like a Tesla autopilot) without a human onboard and get top poll times. If they are getting 'brake alerts' well give me a job, I could ride an F1 car for 20 million a year and let the tech help me win - give us a job!
But I put the Channel 4 highlights on at 9pm and I have a question: at one point they showed a 'drivers view' and you could see the steering wheel was basically a 7" LCD and it was flashing up 'brake alert'.
When I play Forza on Xbox I have it so red chevrons come on when I should be braking. Is this essentially the same?
If so I am done with it. (Again)
A few years ago I read that a F1 car could be piloted by computer (like a Tesla autopilot) without a human onboard and get top poll times. If they are getting 'brake alerts' well give me a job, I could ride an F1 car for 20 million a year and let the tech help me win - give us a job!
No, they don't have what you're describing.
Ok - thank you.
I do wonder how F1 continues in this day and age and I am surprised e-F1 never caught on. All these extremely rich teams and drivers with their fast cars and private jets, bombing around the world to put on these races: it is not very 'Greta Thunberg' is it?
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...us-target-by-2030.5QsK9NpYbz7pXp7423I3iJ.html
Obviously it remains to be seen the extent to which this is implemented - but they're clearly conscious of it
No I wasn't referring to that, it was the thing a few years ago - formula one type cars but electric (I think the problem was they had to pit every 20 mins for a re-charge) I got this off wiki:
Formula E, officially the ABB FIA Formula E World Championship,[1] is a single-seater motorsport championship for electric cars. The series was conceived in 2011 in Paris by then FIA president Jean Todt and Spanish businessman Alejandro Agag, who is also the current chairman of Formula E Holdings.[2] The inaugural championship race was held in Beijing in September 2014.[3] Since 2020, the series has FIA world championship status.[4]
Love to see Ferrari right on course for their allocation given Bahrain is clearly the halfway point of the season
Context isn’t it, they had much worse races than this but the reality is now they wasted time and resource on a concept for this car that will never take them back to the top and they are now nearly a minute per race behind.
Beaten by a team they supply half their car to, no real light at the end of the tunnel as their next upgrade is still on a flawed concept.
The reality is today, Mercedes are accepting their fate as another season without really competing for anything and now have to switch concepts to something other teams have a couple of years head start on. Brutal reality.
I really don’t understand why they kept the no sidepods this season.
Just watched the highlights.
Another wasted season for Hamilton. Mercedes turned to shit and seemingly no idea how to turn it around.
The Astons are now faster than the Mercs. Even the Ferrari, with fecked tyres, is faster than Mercedes.
Another wasted season for Hamilton. Mercedes turned to shit and seemingly no idea how to turn it around.
The Astons are now faster than the Mercs. Even the Ferrari, with fecked tyres, is faster than Mercedes.
Sainz was very slow today, did he have a problem, not sure you can even blame tyres going off due to driving style as he fell far back after 6 laps.
Not a good race but pleased for Alonso, his car looks a treat for turn in grip. Stroll looked ok on the wheel, I guess he just not putting the stress on before the main day to help, he did say he was in pain afterwards but fair play, he passed the tests so.
What's disappointing is after the moves and hype for close racing with rule changes these past few years, the gaps between the cars and even each team driver is quite large most times and nothing is going on. I'm sure some tracks will even up the differences though.
I get where Toto is coming from with this odd concept car, even if they win a few races it's clearly off the mark and needs a radical change. With more reliance on aero and ground effects I'm unsure they can adapt without some new hires now the engine power is closer between teams. Red Bull had the best chassis a few years back but suffered from a low power engine.
Not a good race but pleased for Alonso, his car looks a treat for turn in grip. Stroll looked ok on the wheel, I guess he just not putting the stress on before the main day to help, he did say he was in pain afterwards but fair play, he passed the tests so.
What's disappointing is after the moves and hype for close racing with rule changes these past few years, the gaps between the cars and even each team driver is quite large most times and nothing is going on. I'm sure some tracks will even up the differences though.
I get where Toto is coming from with this odd concept car, even if they win a few races it's clearly off the mark and needs a radical change. With more reliance on aero and ground effects I'm unsure they can adapt without some new hires now the engine power is closer between teams. Red Bull had the best chassis a few years back but suffered from a low power engine.
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Merc arrogance and stupidity believing that no sidepods is a great design.
Because mercedes have been chasing the pot of downforce gold at the end of the rainbow. If the concept worked, it would comfortably outperfom the current RedBull car. However it seems to be impossible to get the actual car to work as the simulations tell you it should do, to get this "legendary downforce".
If it was achievable adrian newey or dome aerodynamist for another team would have followed the same concept. But no one else did, hence its probably too difficult to achieve.
Last season porposing stopped them from trying to unlock the secret and this season so far they arent any closer. A car that is half a mercedes already, that shares the same wind tunnel, just beat them in the opening race of the season on pace. No wonder totto is so downtrodden.
Theres an irony that the new rules with a engine development freeze, budget caps, which were supposed to bring the grid closer together has had the opposite effect.
If one of the big three nailed the design, the other two would struggle to catchup as they cant throw tens of millions at the problem.
Hats off to RedBull, but its not good for the sport that we dont have an equivalent of a nico roseberg in the other RedBull to keep max on his toes.
between this and the match yesterday, I was so pissed off.
Qualifying promised some close action, after all the whole field was only 2+ seconds apart and then we get the race, where RB totally destroyed the rest of the field.
We can only hope the rest of the season is not the same.
Good to see AM up there, I just dont like Alonso, Mercedes need to get the car sorted ASAP , Ferrari need to sort out their reliability or come the middle of the season , Max will already be too far in front for anybody to care.
Qualifying promised some close action, after all the whole field was only 2+ seconds apart and then we get the race, where RB totally destroyed the rest of the field.
We can only hope the rest of the season is not the same.
Good to see AM up there, I just dont like Alonso, Mercedes need to get the car sorted ASAP , Ferrari need to sort out their reliability or come the middle of the season , Max will already be too far in front for anybody to care.
They must have been something in design that said it would work, they must have done testing , wind tunnels , simulators , computer models.
I would not say arrogant or stupid, you dont radically change a design without very good reason.
Agree with this assessment. CFD simulations are one thing. But the reality is somewhat different.
And Mercedes really can not waste another season chasing that elusive downforce.
However, I don't think for a second that it is going to be that easy to fundamentally change their design. If they were going to do that, you don't wait until the season has started.
And I have great sympathy for both Hamilton and Russell having to face up to potentially another poor season.
With how things are looking, it's hard to disagree with George here. This could be one of the most one sided F1 seasons.
It's a bit silly to suggest they'll win every race of the season after race fecking 1. Good that at least he didn't say they'll be getting 1-2 at everytime.
The championship is already won though. He's definitely not wrong about that.