F1 2023 Season

Redplane said:
Some serious injuries and even death has occured because of people crossing the track with cars are on it. To say it's sort of fine when a F1 driver does it, whoever it is - is a dangerous precedent to set. As I said before I don't think Lewis penalty should be revisited - and it doesn't sound like it is - but going forward there should be a much stronger punishment associated with it - and it should be applied across all motor racing events under FIA's purview.
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You're being a bit dramatic here. People cross the track all the time under full yellow. That's the point of a full yellow... to let people across to pick up shit or tow a car away etc. F1 drivers know every bit of that process and will be perfectly capable of judging when it is safe (taking part in these events is all they do from age 5). Lewis wasn't risking his life to save himself from walking a couple 100 feet.

In my opinion it can carry some meaningless fine like almost everything else in F1 if it must but beyond that is over the top.
 
Abizzz said:
You're being a bit dramatic here. People cross the track all the time under full yellow. That's the point of a full yellow... to let people across to pick up shit or tow a car away etc. F1 drivers know every bit of that process and will be perfectly capable of judging when it is safe (taking part in these events is all they do from age 5). Lewis wasn't risking his life to save himself from walking a couple 100 feet.

In my opinion it can carry some meaningless fine like almost everything else in F1 if it must but beyond that is over the top.
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Question then: if this would be a driver you absolutely loathe would you have the exact same feeling about it? Because too often it seems people look at these things from the perspective of defending their favorite driver(s). And again, I am not arguing he should be penalized more. Saying it's dramatic what I'm saying though: what about marshals, stewards, members of the public etc crossing a live track? People can trip and fall, drop an object on the track, etc. If there is no other possible alternative then that should factor into it's but again, while it may seem harmless now, precedent setting is dangerous - when it can so quickly lead to something worse.
 
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Redplane said:
Question then: if this would be a driver you absolutely loathe would you have the exact same feeling about it? Because too often it seems people look at these things from the perspective of defending their favorite driver. I'm not directly saying you are looking at it that way - but it's obvious elsewhere on the interweb the only ones staunchly defending it are Lewis fans. And again, I am not arguing he should be penalized more. Saying it's dramatic what I'm saying though: what about marshals, stewards, members of the public etc crossing a live track? If there is no other possible alternative then that should factor into it's but again, while it may seem harmless now precedent setting is dangerous when it can so quickly lead to something worse.
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Of the current ones I don't really loathe any. I like some more than others, and I'll easily admit I like Hamilton most. However I feel F1 is going down the route the NBA took about 15 years ago and many sports have gone where the governing body almost disrespects the sportsperson by the restrictions they put on them. These drivers risk their lives for the sport every time they step into an F1 car. On any day of the racing weekend. All of them, the poorer ones probably even more than the better ones. They shouldn't be treated as children or idiots incapable of sound judgement. Whether that concerns jewelry they decide to wear, statements they want to make or crossing the track at a safe time. Again give him a fine if they must but don't treat him like an idiot to be made an example of. Especially when that role model aspect would have never come into it at all if they hadn't made such a public thing out of it. As far as I can remember it wasn't on the live stream, was it?

The times I have seen F1 be dangerous in the past 10 years it was almost always exclusively down to the organisation. Whether that be racing in conditions where drivers claim to be on the fringe of passing out, recovery trucks on track at points and times they shouldn't have been or surfaces not fit for the tires they themselves define the rules of. The people running the sport should be a lot more humble towards those taking part, considering.
 
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hobbers said:
Are we back to routinely pretending the Mercedes is slower than it is in reality.

They are second in the constructors for a reason. And that’s not their drivers, it’s their car being much better than Ferrari for most of the season in race trim. Better than AM since the first couple of races. Better than McLaren until Silverstone.
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I’ll clarify. By potentially the fourth worst car, what I mean is the fourth least likely to win a race. They’ve never been as close to having the fastest car as Ferrari, AM or McLaren.

They’ve been worse than AM in the first third of the season, and worse than McLaren in the second third. And obviously worse then RB throughout.

They’ve been better than Ferrari under race trim, but often had to come through the field more. They’re within 30 points, and I’d put that mostly down to tactical calls over the season and Lewis (ignoring the last few races) rather than a significant difference in outright performance.
 
Apparently Mercedes are bringing a new floor this weekend which should give them a good idea of whether they're on the right track for next year's car.
 
The Mercedes has been pretty consistent throughout the season. I don't think Hamilton is doing anything extraordinary, despite the fact that he is obviously a very good driver. They haven't had the massive swings that AM or McClaren have had, and overall they've been better than Ferrari. AM was very strong for the first half of the season but has now fallen off a cliff, and McClaren was terrible for the first half of the season (or more). Whereas Mercedes have been solid, and have had times where they were probably the second best car. It's definitely better than Ferrari, both in terms of the car and the tactical calls.

Also, when you factor in that all these teams have been taking points off each other in what has been quite a competitive field (outside of Max) then it's really no surprise where he is. And the fact that he can finish second says more about Perez.
 
Forgot it was another Sprint race weekend
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I will say about the Sprint Races, even though I still don't like them, I've really enjoyed two of them this season. So perhaps there is hope for them yet. The last one was great
 
Not a fan of the sprints personally, I like that there's more F1 to watch but I just don't think it works. Imagine Utd are playing City on Sunday but the day before they play a 30 minute game with the winner getting a point, it's just a bit pointless and devalues the main event. It needs to be its own entirely separate event but the only way I can really think of making it different enough is to do reverse grid.
 
Redplane said:
Thank feck the international break is over. But why do they not have F1 during one of those. It's annoying. Guess my life has gotten dull.
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I kind of look forward to it these days. No excitement of a nearing match day, cancel of plans to watch United, excitement as the team presses and passes in the first 15 minutes, then misses two goals, concedes one and continues in an inexplicably terrible way for the remaining 70 minutes. Then you spend the whole rest of the day or two depressed and irritated. And repeat.
 
Bale Bale Bale said:
Not a fan of the sprints personally, I like that there's more F1 to watch but I just don't think it works. Imagine Utd are playing City on Sunday but the day before they play a 30 minute game with the winner getting a point, it's just a bit pointless and devalues the main event. It needs to be its own entirely separate event but the only way I can really think of making it different enough is to do reverse grid.
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It couldn’t work for a plethora of reasons, but we all want to see a sprint race with the drivers who are at the top of the championship in the car of the worst constructor and vice versa.

I’d love to see Max in an AT fighting Hamilton in a Haas and Leclerc in a Williams.

And RB terrified that Sergeant will write off their car at every corner.
 
goalscholes said:
It couldn’t work for a plethora of reasons, but we all want to see a sprint race with the drivers who are at the top of the championship in the car of the worst constructor and vice versa.

I’d love to see Max in an AT fighting Hamilton in a Haas and Leclerc in a Williams.

And RB terrified that Sergeant will write off their car at every corner.
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You know it's all about money if he s still in that seat next year. Surely he s worse than Mick Schumacher and Mazepin. Hell he makes Goatifi look like a hero.
 
Redplane said:
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You know it's all about money if he s still in that seat next year. Surely he s worse than Mick Schumacher and Mazepin. Hell he makes Goatifi look like a hero.
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Nobody is worse than Marzipan. His shiteness as a racing driver was only matched by his seeming cuntiness as a human being.
 
Friday, 20 OctoberFirst practice18:30-19:30
Qualifying22:00-23:00
Saturday, 21 OctoberSprint shootout18:30-19:15
Sprint23:00-00:00
Sunday, 22 OctoberRace20:00
 
So who is gonna be good here? McLaren presumably will be fast in sector 1, RB in sector 2, and a few slow corners in sector 3 so could be decent for Merc?
 
rpitroda said:
So who is gonna be good here? McLaren presumably will be fast in sector 1, RB in sector 2, and a few slow corners in sector 3 so could be decent for Merc?
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Difficult to call on a sprint weekend. Ony one FP to dial the car in and thats you then in parc ferme once qually begins a few hours later.

You'd have to go with max and the two mclaren drivers, they have the cars for a track like this. Mercedes is a unknown with a new floor.
 
Merc floor seems to be working.
Bumpy track seems to be a problem for a few.
How it stands in Practice One at halfway...
1) Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:37.394
2) Max Verstappen, Red Bull, +0.104
3) Lando Norris, McLaren, +0.211
4) Yuki Tsunoda, AlphaTauri, +0.606
5) Kevin Magnussen, Haas, +0.706
6) Charles Leclerc, Ferrari, +0.830
7) Sergio Perez, Red Bull, +0.926
8) Daniel Ricciardo, AlphaTauri, +0.931
9) Zhou Guanyu, Alfa Romeo, +0.974
10) Oscar Piastri, McLaren, +1.026
 
I know he's coming back from injury so maybe needs to be given a bit of slack but I don't get the hype Ricciardo still receives, I know he used to be strong but he's been poor for a while

Edit - just as he puts in a decent lap :lol:
 
What the hell has happened to Aston Martin? Strong for the first few races now fallen off a cliff? Almost the opposite of McLaren's season
 
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