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dinostar77 said:
interesting quote from Adrian Newey. Its in regards to teammates where one is demostratably quicker than the other. They were discussing max and his teammates.

....“So if you’re going to have two teammates, where one is exceptional, and the other is brilliant but not quite at that level, the other one needs to be somebody who will, at some points, accept that he certainly can’t beat Max, for instance, on pace. You’re going to have to do it in some other way which, of course, has been done – if you look at Niki [Lauda] and Alain [Prost] against each other.

“Alain was always the quickest driver, but Niki managed to win a championship. You probably argue the same for Nico [Rosberg] and Lewis [Hamilton]”.......

The interview is interesting. He also discussed the issues with putting two 'alpha' drivers in the same team. Also how a older maturer alonso would be a different character to the 2007 mclaren alonso if he was in a team with either Max or Lewis.
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Do you have a link to more?
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Perez now spouting bollocks
https://www.planetf1.com/news/sergio-perez-george-russell-nationality-bias
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I don't know, I can see it from his perspective given what his own boss said about him on their own media. One can only guess what's being said behind closed doors at RB if that's how they talk on television. The difference with Russel is true too, only that the reason is that Merc currently don't have anyone like Marko (and even the old Nobert Haug would have been smarter than that) and that Russel doesn't drive for a media company/drink licensing scheme but a actual car company. Incentives will always be different for the different companies.
 
Abizzz said:
I don't know, I can see it from his perspective given what his own boss said about him on their own media. One can only guess what's being said behind closed doors at RB if that's how they talk on television. The difference with Russel is true too, only that the reason is that Merc currently don't have anyone like Marko (and even the old Nobert Haug would have been smarter than that) and that Russel doesn't drive for a media company/drink licensing scheme but a actual car company. Incentives will always be different for the different companies.
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I read it more as him commenting on the judgment in general of public and media of a select few drivers. He's pointing at George's Singapore mistake for a reason .The just because he's Mexican thing isn't true to me, look at the criticism anyone from Stroll to De Vries, Gasley, Ocon, Yuki, and even someone like Albon has had to contend with before. And then drivers like Mick somehow get repackaged as woe is them - they were just misunderstood.

Having said all that - I think Checo is probably taken advantage of in this. Again the media knows this quote as well will lead to controversy, and sadly we re just feeding into it - myself included.
 
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Redplane said:
I read it more as him commenting on the judgment in general of public and media of drivers not British, especially annointed golden boys like George that he s singling out in particular. He hasn't been exactly problem/controversy free for the past few years and that crash in Singapore alone would have meant calls for the driver to be dropped, or at least see a lot more negative attention if they had been most anyone else on the grid.
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Perhaps but he does say:
“If something like that happens at Red Bull, you immediately have three hundred media channels on your roof telling you that you have to leave,” he continued, referring to the never-ending rumours that his seat is in danger with his contract coming to an end at the conclusion of 2024.
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And while the English media is more dominant than most I think there's plenty of spanish speaking media around the world too.

Edit (concerning your edited part): True, surely Mercedes have good ties to most media companies after decades of advertising, but I just don't see how that can be put as a negative (and Im not sure it has that much bearing on the Russel situation, if it does, good, talking him down won't help). However RB have their own media companies. They are their own media empire, they control it, it's a different level. Concerning Schumacher I think it was just the perfect storm for positive coverage with his dad's history, it wasn't only Merc in F1 who would have loved seeing him succeed (cough, Ferrari). Not that it has done him any favours, I fear he believed the hype. He should really be winning something somewhere right now instead of waiting to get another seat, which he seems to feel entitled to (obviously isn't).

I agree with the Checo being taken advantage of part even though I don't think he'll ever be champion material (barring extraordinary circumstances like Max retiring and Mick getting the 2nd seat).
 
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Fluctuation0161 said:
This is what happens when a sport loses its integrity.
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It certainly can't help. And I don't buy for a second that F1 won't care as long as the tracks are full. There will be a demand for tickets which might still be larger than supply, but a diminishing social media interest is clearly a sign that demand is falling and they'll want to arrest that before the lines cross.
 
The solution was simple. 20 race cap. Three or four spec races a year. No changes to race weekend format. Some loosening in the regs to allow for more innovation.

Instead it's just a blursed version of a great sport.
 
Everything about this sport is summed up by Andretti trying to join the grid, happy to pay what's needed, passed all the competency tests and is a hugely established US brand with absolutely tons of motor racing experience...........and all the teams don't want them in because their pie might get a little bit smaller.

It's crazy really that the teams have the power (not officially) to veto any new entrants but we also need the teams to have power in case Liberty or the FIA try and implement stupid new features (like sprints, which are shit, always will be shit and one day will be dropped when everyone realises they add nothing).

I'm rapidly falling out of love with the sport Robbie.
 
There is no way to spin refusing andretti's entry to F1 that comes off as anything but greedy.

It is the best possible application they could ever get and if they refuse it they're confirming that they never want anyone to join as an eleventh team and to be honest I think it will put future teams off anyway. Considering how robust the andretti application is and how much money they have put in already.

This should be the dream application, a legendary racing name, established racing team, backed by gm for fecks sake. Haas are a weaker team than the one andretti are proposing.
 
pacifictheme said:
There is no way to spin refusing andretti's entry to F1 that comes off as anything but greedy.

It is the best possible application they could ever get and if they refuse it they're confirming that they never want anyone to join as an eleventh team and to be honest I think it will put future teams off anyway. Considering how robust the andretti application is and how much money they have put in already.

This should be the dream application, a legendary racing name, established racing team, backed by gm for fecks sake. Haas are a weaker team than the one andretti are proposing.
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Since when did F1 become a closed club?I am actually asking because I am lazy to look it up. It should be FIA deciding who joins and not the teams themselves. Of course there would be a conflict of interest.
 
pacifictheme said:
There is no way to spin refusing andretti's entry to F1 that comes off as anything but greedy.

It is the best possible application they could ever get and if they refuse it they're confirming that they never want anyone to join as an eleventh team and to be honest I think it will put future teams off anyway. Considering how robust the andretti application is and how much money they have put in already.

This should be the dream application, a legendary racing name, established racing team, backed by gm for fecks sake. Haas are a weaker team than the one andretti are proposing.
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Exactly right, GM!

It would be like IndyCar turning down Ferrari. Let's hope they take some sensible pills and actually make this happen, the only route to entry being essentially to buy a team is ridiculous when we are only at 10 teams.
 
The Firestarter said:
Since when did F1 become a closed club?I am actually asking because I am lazy to look it up. It should be FIA deciding who joins and not the teams themselves. Of course there would be a conflict of interest.
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FIA is the sports governing body but Liberty Media is the commercial holder so it has to be approved by both. There is also the current concord agreement which limits the sport to 12 teams I think and an entry fee for any new team at $200 million, but obviously the greedy current teams being, well, greedy they think that is no longer a big enough slice.

The teams on paper don't have power to veto however if they all throw a wobbler about it then Liberty Media's product is damaged so it's all just lobbying. It will either end up rejected or most likely the current teams will wangle their way to more millions, as per.
 
hobbers said:
Wouldn't worry. I had Sainz on podium and hes gone and got knocked out of Q2.
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So did I, 3rd... fortunately I didn't waste a podium place on Perez after he kept messing my predictions up, think I've put him 5th or 6th
 
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