F1 2023 Season

Monaco 96? Schumacher got pole and then deliberately impeded another qualifier on their hot lap, was overtaken and roundly beaten by hill in the race before he spun out of the grand Prix. Maybe you mean another year.

Spain 96 my bad. One of my first truly vivid F1 memories.

Didnt he get sent to back of grid in 06 at minaco for delibrately stopping in q3 after his hot lap so no one else could post a time?

Think that did happen yes.

I forgot schmacher was disqualified from 97 championship when he tried to take out Jacques Villeneuve ala damon hill in adelaide.

No different from one Hamilton and Verstappen did this 2 years ago, but F1 is more of a "show" now so it's all allowed.
 
Schmacher dodgy moments:

94 british gp: Hill won the race with Schumacher second, only for the German to be disqualified for failing to serve a stop-go penalty that was issued on lap 14 of the race when the stewards declared he had overtaken Hill twice on the earlier formation lap.

94 Adelaide gp: cheating fecker

97 European gp: disqualified from championship for trying to adelaide 94 Villeneuve. Only driver in f1 history to be disqualified from a championship btw.

02 Austria gp: got ferrari to swap him and barrichello around on last corner of last lap. Team orders were "banned" after that.

06 monaco gp: as above post

10 hungary gp: tried to kill barrichello by pushing him into a concrete wall at 200mph.

Barrichello said at the time: “I am lucky to be alive. It was a go-kart manoeuvre. If he wants to go to heaven, in the event he is going to heaven, I don’t want to go before him. Thank God, I was lucky the wall finished where it did because I was millimetres from it.”

Basically a all time great driver but also a dirty driver who cheated from time to time.
 
Spain 96 my bad. One of my first truly vivid F1 memories.



Think that did happen yes.



No different from one Hamilton and Verstappen did this 2 years ago, but F1 is more of a "show" now so it's all allowed.

Was allowed in 94 and I can't remember Hamilton or max doing anything as egregious as that in 2021.
 
I am not sure if anyone is actually discussing about Max's GOAT status except people who are not his biggest fans and are denying him GOAT status from people who aren't even saying he is GOAT?

I think he is excellent, but there is absolutely no need to discuss the GOAT status at all since he is fecking 25, but in five years I am quite sure he will be up there in disucussion. But that's just my opinion, we don't know that yet. But so far he is not, not even close.
 
I am not a huge fan of Max, I think he is an excellent driver in an excellent car and yes he is the best driver on the grid right now, but you cant yet put him in GOAT status yet, sorry not even close.
He has to be at the top for a minimum 5 year yet and winning to be even close to GOAT status.
He has a long way to go before he gets close to Lewis and Sch's records, he might well get there and if he does fair play to him, but I have a feeling he my retire from F1 long before he gets close to 7 WC's.
Most of the the other greats have won WC's without having the best car , Max has to do this IMHO
 
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I’m no Verstappen fan, but clearly he’s one of if not the greatest driver of all time. He eats his teammates alive and doesn’t make mistakes. It’s ok to admit how good he is without actually being a fan of his. A quite remarkable driver.
 
Start of Sprint Shootout delayed

No timeframe has been given, which is a reflection of the deluge that is continuing.
It could be a while until the track is ready for a qualifying session, and that's assuming the rain will stop.
 
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Toto Wolff: “Last year Max drove a worse car with the knife between his teeth and won the world title. Now he has the fastest car and everything is easier for him.”

Is he just a fantasist then Dino??
There’s incentive for the team boss though to suggest their car was the best.
 
Yesterday's Qualifying result likely to set Sprint grid if Sprint Shootout washed out
The FIA say the most likely scenario now is that if the Sprint Shootout cannot take place, then Friday's Qualifying result will set the grid for the Sprint at 3.30pm.
Max Verstappen would be on pole in that case, as his grid penalty only applies to Sunday's Grand Prix.
The FIA adds: 'This would all be pending decision from stewards so is subject to change.'
 
Like in 2021?

On that note when did Hamilton or Schumacher win without by far the fastest car? 1995 and 2008 excepted.

If that’s the bench mark Hakkinen, Alonso and Prost are the goats.

If you ignore 1994 and about two thirds of Schumacher's Ferrari career then yes, 1995 was the only time he didn't have by far the fastest car. And let's forget that in the other years he was the major reason it was by far the fastest car.

2021 will forever be the sports biggest asterisk.
 
Waiting this long to avoid even running inters? What a joke. What's the fun of having wets when you cannot even use them.
 
Schmacher dodgy moments:

94 british gp: Hill won the race with Schumacher second, only for the German to be disqualified for failing to serve a stop-go penalty that was issued on lap 14 of the race when the stewards declared he had overtaken Hill twice on the earlier formation lap.

94 Adelaide gp: cheating fecker

97 European gp: disqualified from championship for trying to adelaide 94 Villeneuve. Only driver in f1 history to be disqualified from a championship btw.

02 Austria gp: got ferrari to swap him and barrichello around on last corner of last lap. Team orders were "banned" after that.

06 monaco gp: as above post

10 hungary gp: tried to kill barrichello by pushing him into a concrete wall at 200mph.

Barrichello said at the time: “I am lucky to be alive. It was a go-kart manoeuvre. If he wants to go to heaven, in the event he is going to heaven, I don’t want to go before him. Thank God, I was lucky the wall finished where it did because I was millimetres from it.”

Basically a all time great driver but also a dirty driver who cheated from time to time.

You probably wouldn't like Senna's career history then. The only all time great I can think of who wasn't dirty was Jim Clark. It's not a black mark on a driver for me.
 
Stroll you genius, thats how you beat alonso, by knocking both of yourselfs out. Haha.
 
You probably wouldn't like Senna's career history then. The only all time great I can think of who wasn't dirty was Jim Clark. It's not a black mark on a driver for me.
Senna did some stuff, but schmacher was on a different level of dirty. If schmie had tried that in the 80s the likes of mansell, senna, piquet would have knocked him for six.
 
Senna did some stuff, but schmacher was on a different level of dirty. If schmie had tried that in the 80s the likes of mansell, senna, piquet would have knocked him for six.

Senna literally rammed Prost off the track in Suzuka. Didnt even bother with the first corner. At least Schumacher had half an eye on continuing the race when he went for Villeneuve.
 
Aston Martin point out FIA tyre rule blunder
We were all wondering why Lance Stroll went out on medium tyres, rather than the grippier soft compound, before his crash in SQ2.
But Aston Martin have pointed out that FIA Race Control never officially declared the track wet for the session, so normal rules had to be in place.
The Sprint Shootout rules state that new mediums have to be fitted in SQ1 and SQ2.
If the track had been declared wet (and remember, the session was delayed for 35 minutes because the weather was so bad) they would have had a free choice of tyres.
 
FIA intentionally not declaring the track wet even though it is to avoid teams having a free tyre choice.
 
Wait, it's intentionally not declared wet?! That's outrageous. We lost 35 minutes because of "safety", but race control apparently is happy to risk drivers going out on mediums on a drying circuit?!