Think he was running more wing hence very fast S2 but slower in S3.
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People go on about Lewis having Nico, I don’t know if it would matter with Max if he had a good teammate he’s ruthless and doesn’t really have off days. By the way I’m not saying he’s better or worse than Lewis at his best, just feels like he’s more ruthlessly efficient, we’ve seen it with him getting the fastest lap when he’s already off in the distance with the championship.
Doesn't seem a good idea to run such a high downforce setup by McLaren to be that slow on the straights
AM has really gone backwards.
Anyone playing the new F1 manager game? Should maybe make a thread
Its hard to benchmark Max because he doesnt have a rosberg equivalent as his teammate. Hes on his way to an all time great, but other than 2021, the battles are missing (not his fault).
We really need either a inter-team rivalry or another team to push max to the utter limit ala Mercedes/Hamilton 2021. Its the only way to truly gauge his racecraft, mental strength, temperment. At the moment its just too easy. Hopefully a team can challenge RB in 2024 or 2025. Come 2026 he wont be in the best car anymore (as the history of F1 goes with major rules changes).
Wow, that lap from Max was insane. Just fecking blitzed everyone. Unless someone crashes into him tomorrow, I'll give him 5 or 6 laps before he's challenging for 1st.
Should probably follow the news and not pick Max for pole. Shit ass Friday qualifying didn’t help of course.
Wow Max, what a lap. Love the radio between him and GP as well with Max apologizing
They have a great relationship. GP doesn't have any of that bullshit, which I think Max respects.
Quite a few are, new thread ? Yeah maybe but there is not that many posts about.
Fair point
What that q3 showed more than anything is how good DRS is with that Red Bull. Dunno what the hell Perez is doing.
verstappen is nailed on for a third consecutive world title, but will he ever win one without a shroud of controversy? he is using too many gearbox parts, showing a blatant disregard for the rules.
Rimaldo rules are the same for everyone . He gets a grid penalty .
I'm not a Max fan, since I'm a diehard Ferrari team for a long time. But I have a presage that he will win every circuit from Belgium to Las Vegas. The Red Bulls are fecking unstoppable now.
Tmr, I hope my boy Leclerc will be on the podium or even win it.
Tmr, I hope my boy Leclerc will be on the podium or even win it.
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The teams themselves were against it as well due to safety concerns, so I don't think ignoring that and making them to go out anyway would've been a good decision.
Im going to say it, then get burned when it doesnt happen. But i think piastri will win a gp before end of season. RB is unstoppable (unless perez is at the wheel), however parts penalties might screw them somewhere ala singapore where its difficult to overtake, even in a rocketship.
Agree
Wut?
How was 22 controversial other than them fecking up Japan's procedure (basically taking a straight up celebration opportunity away), and what is this about his gearbox?
You tell that joker Rimaldo
It's rimaldo
You tell that joker Rimaldo
https://www.statsf1.com/de/statistiques/pilote/victoire/gp-avant.aspx
Piastri has some time...
Mansell had 72 GP before his first GP win. Hamilton after 6 GP. Senna 16 GP. Prost 21 GP. Vettel 22 GP. Max 24 GP. Piquet 24 GP. Alonso 30 GP
Piastri has some time...
Mansell had 72 GP before his first GP win. Hamilton after 6 GP. Senna 16 GP. Prost 21 GP. Vettel 22 GP. Max 24 GP. Piquet 24 GP. Alonso 30 GP
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George Russell's prediction that Red Bull will win every race this season is looking decent.
All this talk about Piastri lately kinda emphasizes how brutal and cutthroat of a sport it is in a way. Guys like Charles, Lando, George, and a Dany before have all been long talked about as the next greatest thing. Even an Ocon, Pierre and Alex have gotten some similar shouts. Must be hard to cope with that at times. Though by the same token- they probably experienced something similar when they come up through the lower ranks of the sport.
Yeah, he needs to win without by far the fastest car on the grid to be in that conversation, or at least have a big hand in making the car that way. He's ruthless and consistent but you can't stack him against the likes of Senna and Schumacher until we see him in that environment. Vettel won four in very similar circumstances to now and nobody sees him in that company.
This is interesting, posted on The Race website. The similarities between verstappen and piastri.
"......This speaks of just how much the driver has to bring to this middle sector regardless of the downforce they are enjoying. The balancing point of brakes and lateral load through such super-fast corners is incredibly delicate.
Talk to those who see Verstappen’s traces up close and the most remarkable thing, they say, is how he can feel the perfect trade-off between those two states, adjusting pedal pressure and steering just short of the time-consuming slide – or the firing off the road.
Talk to those working closely with the rookie Oscar Piastri and they are saying much the same thing. He’s not putting the whole thing together as consistently well, but he’s exceptional through fast corners where that very same almost extra-sensory dimension of that delicate trade-off is so apparent...."
1995. The Williams was by far the fastest car that year.
An unpopular opinion I'm sure but I think Piastri will win before Norris wins. I also don't think it'll be that long before we see Piastri in a bigger team than McLaren.
The RB in race trim will be stupidly fast. So fast that Perez will take an easy second.
I would be curious as to your definition of Max as an underdog in 2021, other than Merc’s historical dominance. The Red Bull was the quicker car for the first half of the year, before Merc pulled it back and we’re a shade quicker the second half.
Maybe based on Hamilton having 7 titles to Max having none at that point? But at the same time we could all see Max was absurdly talented and had the necessary killer instinct (and like Michael and Aryton would do anything within the rules and occasionally a bit outside to win)
We’ll he’s been at RB since 16, I’m pretty sure he’s had a hand in that, he also had 10 wins in probably 2/3rd best car on the grid in those years and was best of the rest in the 2 years leading up to his 1st, when it’s come to having the best car on the grid and losing the championship in recent memory that honour goes to Lewis and alonso who conspired to blow the championship that year, more so alonso as he was the senior driver and Lewis was a rookie.
Max is an excelllent driver, but he certainly has not won a world title without having the best car over that season.
Yeah, in 2021 it was a varied season which was great. It was definitely RB early in the season and Mercedes got better in some races that suited them later in the season, but Max had a very good car and couldn't be considered an underdog apart from world titles won.
Agreed max was never the underdog that season.
The FIA changed the rules going into 2021 season to slow mercedes down. it took mercedes until silverstone to catch up to RedBull, but even then it was neck and neck between the cars dependant on the tracks in latter half of the season.
Agreed, any other opinion is just fantasy
Schumacher's greatness is not just for the championships he won. It's what he did in 97, 98 with cars that were FAR slower than the competition, and performances like Monaco in 96 and Sepang in 99 post his broken leg.
Similarly, Max's first win would be in that category if it wasn't for the 2 mercedes cars taking each other out. Max is probably the best on the grid now, but all time great conversations are premature.
EDIT: Also 2003 the Ferrari wasn't the "best car by far" and similarly in 06 (which he lost because of an engine blowout) the Ferrari wasn't nearly as fast as the Renault
I forgot schmacher was disqualified from 97 championship when he tried to take out Jacques Villeneuve ala damon hill in adelaide.
Monaco 96? Schumacher got pole and then deliberately impeded another qualifier on their hot lap, was overtaken and roundly beaten by hill in the race before he spun out of the grand Prix. Maybe you mean another year.
Didnt he get sent to back of grid in 06 at minaco for delibrately stopping in q3 after his hot lap so no one else could post a time?