F1 2023 Season

I'm beginning to wonder if Merc have picked the wrong young UK driver to follow Hamilton. Norris seems to make the most of what he's got whether that be the conditions or at last a decent car. Russell just seems like someone who will do well generally, but not necessarily great.

Russell beat Hamilton just last year, I feel it's just not his year tbf. He'll definitely need to improve until end of the season though.
 
Russell beat Hamilton just last year, I feel it's just not his year tbf. He'll definitely need to improve until end of the season though.
Hamilton sacrificed car setup last year alot to get to the bottom of the porporsing issues. Also mercedes have said the car is (now james allison is back) being designed around hamilton's needs rather than george.

Also when mercedes actually have a good race car, id expext hamilton to regularly have a 0.1-0.3 gap to russell as thats pretty much par for the course for the best of their generation inb relation to their teammate i.e. verstappen, hamilton and alonso.
 
Hamilton sacrificed car setup last year alot to get to the bottom of the porporsing issues. Also mercedes have said the car is (now james allison is back) being designed around hamilton's needs rather than george.

Also when mercedes actually have a good race car, id expext hamilton to regularly have a 0.1-0.3 gap to russell as thats pretty much par for the course for the best of their generation inb relation to their teammate i.e. verstappen, hamilton and alonso.

It certainly looks that way watching these two seasons. Russel did some amazing strategy calls this season too, and had some bad luck too.

Regarding second part of the post, peak Hamilton - yes. Last two years Hamilton doesn't look very agressive and out of this world driver at all, I would compare him very much with Alonso, they make consistent lap race after race, they are very smart, but when it comes to overtaking, risky moves, they actually look their age.
 
Nobody's a George fan, let's be honest here.
As true statement as it gets. I don't know what happened but in Williams he was semi likeable and I was excited when he got Merc seat so I can see him challenge Lewis, mind I'm not biggest Lewis fan.

I don't know what happened to him but since joining Merc he became so unlikable. Dull, full of himself, cocky and full of that stereotypical British unlikeliness using words crickey etc. As a Verstappen fan I never thought I would say that but between Lewis and him I prefer Lewis much more.
 
Max not at his imperious best today, but was still only just beaten by Hamilton. He'll still win tomorrow I think. He'll take Lewis quite early, but I don't think he's going to sail off into the distance as he normally would.
 
Verstappen has had so many amazing qualifying laps to get pole it's ridiculous to say something like that

Simply a case of bias and complete refusal to acknowledge the facts. The facts being, that he's up there as one of the best of all time with Hamilton, Schumacher, etc. There's literally no point in engaging with someone like that on this forum. It's one thing not to like him(which is fine), but to deny reality is just silly and bitter.
 
Max not at his imperious best today, but was still only just beaten by Hamilton. He'll still win tomorrow I think. He'll take Lewis quite early, but I don't think he's going to sail off into the distance as he normally would.
RB normally setup their car for the race rather than than qually which is why leclerc can get close in qually but not in the race. Id expect the same tomorrow, the RB after a few laps of warming up the fronts will zoom off.
 
RB normally setup their car for the race rather than than qually which is why leclerc can get close in qually but not in the race. Id expect the same tomorrow, the RB after a few laps of warming up the fronts will zoom off.

True.

I just get the sense that others are catching up, mainly due to RB having less space to improve, so I'm not sure he's gonna speed off tomorrow. Merc looks really fast, and Lewis looks happy...perhaps Max only wins by a mere 15 seconds!

I'm just happy to see Mclaren doing well finally.
 
Max not at his imperious best today, but was still only just beaten by Hamilton. He'll still win tomorrow I think. He'll take Lewis quite early, but I don't think he's going to sail off into the distance as he normally would.

Well he does have an incredibly dominant car so hardly surprising that even when the stars align for another team it's marginal.

And yeah I expect a max win.
 
I think the gap has been reduced. If we're going by Silverstone the Red Bull under Max can pull out 2/3 tenths per lap to the McLaren. But they also have to manage tyres. Good strategy call could pip it for Lewis or the McLarens
 
No he was always blaming the strategy. He said that drivers are doing what's best for them and that's okay.

He did blame Gasly and rightly so, Russel was overtaken just as he started to accelerate out of the last corner for his final lap which made him have to lift/brake and subsequently lose 0.3sec before he even got to the first corner.

A lot of drivers don't bother with the gentleman's agreement but what Gasly did just can't happen. If I made the rules he would be dropped a few positions for tomorrow.
 
I think this result is situational. The Hungaroringhas hardly any straights, while the RB has made large parts of it time out of it DRS and Mclaren has been quick on the straights.
 
Well he does have an incredibly dominant car so hardly surprising that even when the stars align for another team it's marginal.

And yeah I expect a max win.

Sure, and he knows how to drive the hell out of that dominant car. I'm just saying, it highlights how far he (and RB) are ahead, that's all.
 
True.

I just get the sense that others are catching up, mainly due to RB having less space to improve, so I'm not sure he's gonna speed off tomorrow. Merc looks really fast, and Lewis looks happy...perhaps Max only wins by a mere 15 seconds!

I'm just happy to see Mclaren doing well finally.
RB DRS is a major advantage and its pretty much nullified here, as there is only one zone and its not that long. Other circuits have 2/3 zones of DRS which helps as RB gain an additional 20kph or something with DRS than the rest of the grid.
 
Max gifted that pole to hamilton. Unlike max not to improve on his final run. Going to watch the side by side analysis of the final run.
 
Max gifted that pole to hamilton. Unlike max not to improve on his final run. Going to watch the side by side analysis of the final run.
For the first time in a long while Max' car wasn't "determined" ahead of quali, and it was evident to see. He wasn't comfortable at all.
 
For the first time in a long while Max' car wasn't "determined" ahead of quali, and it was evident to see. He wasn't comfortable at all.
I think it was a combination of things. New updates, limited track time in FPs due to new qually tyre rules and a circuit where the DRS isnt as important as usual.

Max said afterwards that the car wasnt dialled as it should be. He should win comfortably tomorrow as long as they both dont take each other out going into T1.
 
I mean, Perez finished behind Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, etc., in pretty much faultless session behind him. It's obvious they aren't that quick over one lap, but I wouldn't bet against them tomorrow.
 
Mercedes was a dog at almost every track in 2022 but had the fastest 1 lap pace around the Hungaroring.

It's been a dog at almost every track in 2023 but still the fastest car around the Hungaroring.

Not sure what's so surprising. Same thing will repeat at Interlagos.
Even with that, the RB should have been faster though.
 
Lewis had another tenth or two in that lap as well. Hopefully he can keep close to Max. If Max has some really good long run pace we still should see a good battle between Lando and Piastri and Lewis.

Good move it seems for AlphaTauri getting rid of who Nick Da Fries
 
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I mean, Perez finished behind Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, etc., in pretty much faultless session behind him. It's obvious they aren't that quick over one lap, but I wouldn't bet against them tomorrow.
Perez is no bellweather for RB performance. Hes getting sacked at end of season. Danny Ric beat Tsunoda on his first go, which doesnt bode well for him. Shame stroll's dad owns AM as stroll is so shite hes a waste of a seat.

The RB needs a few laps to get its tyres up to peak temps, its a side effect of the anti dive front end to keep the floor stable. They cant put enough heat into the fronts on a single lap, therefore ideally for them they'd have 2 prep laps before the qually lap, but that wasnt possible in qually.
 
Spa next week will be a great test on how well the cars are doing. I love the track but Red Bull cleaned up there last year, it's a big track that can stretch out the field if they're not up to standard.
 
Last week, at a closed test at silverstone. Mick schmacher and lando tested these tyre spray devices.

 
The first few laps will be very interesting. The RB tends to warm its tyres up more slowly than the cars around it, and Max will be on the dirty side of the track.

It’s not entirely impossible that Norris gets past Max and he has to defend against Piastri for the first couple of laps.

The RB with DRS vs the Merc is probably an easy overtake, but it should have more trouble against McClaren.

It’s all moot, as the RB is so much better with tyre wear and at pit stops that Max will have all of the options available to him
 
The first few laps will be very interesting. The RB tends to warm its tyres up more slowly than the cars around it, and Max will be on the dirty side of the track.

It’s not entirely impossible that Norris gets past Max and he has to defend against Piastri for the first couple of laps.

The RB with DRS vs the Merc is probably an easy overtake, but it should have more trouble against McClaren.

It’s all moot, as the RB is so much better with tyre wear and at pit stops that Max will have all of the options available to him
Think you're right. Especially on this track. It evolved so much during qualifying and with Hamilton and Norris being in the racing line you'd expect there to be much more grip on that side especially if it hasn't rained (has it?). We'll see if that is the case but it wouldnt surprise me to see Max losing a spot or two at the start.
 
The first few laps will be very interesting. The RB tends to warm its tyres up more slowly than the cars around it, and Max will be on the dirty side of the track.

It’s not entirely impossible that Norris gets past Max and he has to defend against Piastri for the first couple of laps.

Verstappen’s starts have been the weakest part of his game in recent races, so I’m hopeful it’ll make the first 3 laps interesting until DRS makes the Red Bull victory a foregone conclusion.

Last time out I thought Piastri drove better than Norris considering the cars weren’t the same. Not sure if he now has the same updates as Norris on his McLaren but there’s a great chance of a first podium for Piastri today.
 
This is the track where Button broke his duck and won his first race, same with Ocon.... I wouldn't rule out a McLaren win if they split strat.. one of them holds up Max for instance.