I wanted Hamilton to win but wasn't really against max winning. What I really wanted was it to be decided on the track and it wasn't which robbed everyone of a great finale. Talking about it is pointless now, time for the new season.
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I think it actually sets the context for this new season. The sport and the FIA are walking a tight rope.
If any advantage is given to any particular team or driver by questionable rule interpretations this season, then the sport will become an even bigger joke than giving Max the championship was last season.
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Would it be ok if my 11yr old son joined the league, he’s f1 mad and would probably give some of us a run for our money, he can be mini Zlatan7.
no worries if not
Would it be ok if my 11yr old son joined the league, he’s f1 mad and would probably give some of us a run for our money, he can be mini Zlatan7.
no worries if not
Yeah sure - call him Zlatan7 jr
Thanks bud!!
as like most father and son combos in f1, you’ll both be despised from this moment on. within minutes you will be propping up dictatorial regimes with your dirty cash whilst your son commits sexual assault after sexual assault on a variety of ladies.
zlatan7 jr is only in the fantasy league because of his father whilst the likes of me has to stay in fantasy f2 leagues.
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talking of despised father son combos, I finisher the dts series last night and feel just as shit about the finish all over again now
talking of despised father son combos, I finisher the dts series last night and feel just as shit about the finish all over again now
Yeah I'm more excited about seeing Rossi race a car in some nondescript series that I know hardly anything about than f1 returning.[
talking of despised father son combos, I finisher the dts series last night and feel just as shit about the finish all over again now
Watching videos of the past F1 glory days hasn't helped either. Warm up commentated by Murray was more thrilling than sprint races are these days.
Apparently a new floor arrived last night in Bahrain ... so I wouldn't be so sure it will take them so will be interesting to see if that makes a big difference
It was pretty quick in the slow sections so if the new floor goes someway to sorting out the porposing I can certainly see one of them in the top 6
Hopefully, I’d like to see merc get a good start this year. I can’t see Russel being the same kind of no.2 as what bottas was to Lewis, can imagine some infighting and battling for position between the two of them that I hope doesn’t play into red bulls hands
Don't get the panicking over Mercedes being slow in testing. They always are. And they always come good. Been that way for years.
It's very cute, but they are not fooling anyone who truly knows what's going on here. Come qualifying, both drivers will be in the top 4 and Ferrari will maximum have one up there. Obviously Perez isn't a very good driver as can be seen by his qualifying last season, hence he will qualify 5th or 6th whilst Max is top 2 most likely.
Last season, Mercedes said the exact same things to the dot and Hamilton won the first race. Come on, they are so superior in terms of engineering they have to play themselves down on purpose.
yeah go for it , more the merrier .
Shame for Seb but the ultimate Covid sub is in.
Iam slightly worried about Mercedes, they did not look good in testing, Lewis was not even close to setting decent times, Russell was closer, but still a good .8 - 1 second off Max.
If they have sorted out their porpoising problem, they should be OK, there is always the idea that they did not push in it testing because they already know what the car can do and did not want to show the other teams, I dont always buy that.
I dont want Max running away with the first lot of races, but equally I dont want it another 2 horse race, hopefully 3 , 4 or 5 teams can mix it up and give Max and yes Lewis a fight for the title.
If they have sorted out their porpoising problem, they should be OK, there is always the idea that they did not push in it testing because they already know what the car can do and did not want to show the other teams, I dont always buy that.
I dont want Max running away with the first lot of races, but equally I dont want it another 2 horse race, hopefully 3 , 4 or 5 teams can mix it up and give Max and yes Lewis a fight for the title.
The panic over Mercedes is uncalled for. If they are suffering more from porpoising its almost certainly because they are generating the most downforce from their package. If they can't get it sorted for Bahrain, I have no doubt it will take more than a few races. At that point they'll probably have close to a dominant car. Couple Russell being able to take more points of Max, almost certainly a harder line on Max's behaviour and I still think its looking good for Mercedes and Lewis this year.
Is this the 6th team hes going to have raced with?
Aston
Racing Point
Renault
Force India
Sauber
Williams
TBF if it was on talent alone it would probably be him and vettell as the drivers with stoll as reserve
Not that I see it happening, but would love him to get a podium.
Technically it's 4 teams he's raced for. Force India/Racing Point/Aston Martin are all the same team apart from name. Bored of seeing him in F1 though & would rather a young driver get an opportunity.
Jumping into a car under new regs is going to be very tough for him.
not being an f1 engineer I cant help but thinking that generating too much downforce and adding some things to the floor that can be adjusted to allow some air to escape sounds easier than finding the additional downforce to start with
will see what happens but lewis at 7/1 to win the bahrain GP does not look like a bad bet - le clerk at 11/2 as well
Max is deservedly favourite at 2/1 but those odds show its a pretty open race
winning team odds are
merc 13/8
red bull 2/1
ferrari 10/3
which again by f1 standards indicates a pretty open GP
You would think, but then Eriksson jumped into the new car and instantly went quicker than Mick I think. So probably won't be as tough as we think.
Quite right.
It was interesting to read the Secret Aerodynamasist article on the BBC website. It could be that Mercedes could make some relatively simple changes in order to improve the floor edge sealing. That could allow them to slightly increase the floor height to an extent that the downforce does not stall.
I would be surprised if it takes more than a couple of races to resolve their problems.
People pay way too much attention to testing times, you need to look at the GPS data (which we don't have) and the body language of the cars to get an idea. Mercedes have hidden performance every single year since they got competitive and roll up at Race 1 competitive and everyone goes "how can they keep getting away with it!"
I do actually think for once they may be 3rd in the pecking order but would I be surprised if they win on Sunday? Not even a little. The issues they appear to have could be fixed with one update, the trouble is you can't replicate the issue in a wind tunnel environment so they probably have to keep trying things until they find something that just works, could be 1 race, could be half a season but they will fix it.
I do actually think for once they may be 3rd in the pecking order but would I be surprised if they win on Sunday? Not even a little. The issues they appear to have could be fixed with one update, the trouble is you can't replicate the issue in a wind tunnel environment so they probably have to keep trying things until they find something that just works, could be 1 race, could be half a season but they will fix it.
Agreed, I realized in my original message I had a typo, I meant to say the same as you, they'll get it sorted within a few races.
This is only partly true. Whilst its true they could not reproduce the issue in the wind tunnel, if they have managed to nail down what they think the cause is then they don't need to reproduce the whole scenario in the wind tunnel. The need to test the new part(s) do what they expect in the tunnel and then, if their original theory was correct, they can test on the car.
Formula 1 has kept its DRS zones unchanged for next week's Bahrain Grand Prix, the first race of the sport's new generations cars.
F1 has relied on the same three DRS zones for several years now, with the system covering the areas between Turn 1 and Turn 4, Turn 9 and Turn 11 and finally on Sakhir's main straight.
Grand Prix racing's new technical regulations were devised to help cars follow each other more closely, which in turn should help overtaking.
In pre-season testing, most drivers gave F1's new regs a thumbs up in this regard. But only a full-scale test conducted on a race weekend will validate, or not, F1's new design concept.
For now, F1 has retained its Drag Reduction System, but the system could be dropped in the future if F1's ground effects aerodynamics prove successful in producing sling-shot passes and boosting the spectacle on the track.
Interestingly, several drivers reported during testing a reduction of the slipstream effect when running close to a rival car
"We can follow closer but from what we have seen, the slipstream effect is definitely less effective," commented Mercedes' George Russell. "We will have to wait and see."
https://f1i.com/news/434755-f1-leav...Nvujisvq44jtUzZIN3T5T2Gi_cjC7nzXb8JnrOa68bCfM
F1 has relied on the same three DRS zones for several years now, with the system covering the areas between Turn 1 and Turn 4, Turn 9 and Turn 11 and finally on Sakhir's main straight.
Grand Prix racing's new technical regulations were devised to help cars follow each other more closely, which in turn should help overtaking.
In pre-season testing, most drivers gave F1's new regs a thumbs up in this regard. But only a full-scale test conducted on a race weekend will validate, or not, F1's new design concept.
For now, F1 has retained its Drag Reduction System, but the system could be dropped in the future if F1's ground effects aerodynamics prove successful in producing sling-shot passes and boosting the spectacle on the track.
Interestingly, several drivers reported during testing a reduction of the slipstream effect when running close to a rival car
"We can follow closer but from what we have seen, the slipstream effect is definitely less effective," commented Mercedes' George Russell. "We will have to wait and see."
https://f1i.com/news/434755-f1-leav...Nvujisvq44jtUzZIN3T5T2Gi_cjC7nzXb8JnrOa68bCfM
Good post, I dont normally take that much notice of test, TBH dont know why I did this year.
Any problem will already be sorted, with the new floor or within a few races.
Correct but it would be quicker to resolve if they could reproduce it in a test bed environment, so until then its based on theory between wind tunnel and on track results. None of these teams are dumb, I'm pretty sure its an issue we won't even be talking about after a few races, I am already sick of the word porpoising.
Just had a look at the Miami F1 track layout, looks incredible! Hope it's not narrow like the saudi arabia GP was, as I can see a ton of overtakes going on there.
Which way will they go round the circuit and will they lift for 10?
corners 1 then 2 then 3 etc
as for 10 I assume that might be flat out given the ground effect cars will get better downforce the faster they go (assuming they dont porpoise?)
Everyone mentions this Spirit of the Rules/Regs like it's written in stone somewhere, maybe on the backend of Moses Ten Commandments, but, try looking for it. The last race of the year proved that where there's wriggle room that makes the game fairer for one, but not the other..they'll take it thank you very much. No, let's not return to last season.
The thing with any referee is that they will over a season make decisions that don't favour you, and some that do, we say quite often, well it evens out over the race or the season, but as has been said, and by you Masi needed a buffer, and not just between him and Toto and Horner. He is a nice guy, he could have done with some help and sometimes we see a guy at work who makes the odd error and we say, 'let's give him some coaching, maybe a bit of training, he's worth it overall'. That could have been the case.
No, the Spirit of the Regs was heard more often and carried more weight before F1 became so professional, so expensive, so technical, probably back in Jack Brabham's day
Isn't that basically what's happening? If you have someone at work who makes regular errors, you take them out of the high pressure environment in order to give them the coaching and training you suggested. As for Masi being a nice guy, I'm not so sure. It's easy to be nice when things are going smoothly, but whenever he cocked up his response was to get catty, deflect, and try to pass on the blame.
As for the the rest of your post, I'm afraid I don't really get what point you're trying to make in order to agree/disagree. I don't mean that offensively. Still, as you say, last season is done, and the FIA has been proactive in order to prevent a repeat travesty, which has been great. Looking forward to seeing who's fastest.
Thanks for sharing, has the Abu Dhabi feel, especially with that long straight. Seems like a longer lap time than the average too?
For the first part it's just different takes or different approaches, it's all a done deal so no matter.
For the second part maybe you will have to google Spirit of the Rules or Within the Spirit of the Rules, sure - no offence, but if you don't understand it don't worry about it, it doesn't mean anything these days anyway although people like to quote it. F1 isn't a Gentleman's sport anymore, scrutineers don't have it as a numbered item on the list of things to check under the hood anymore.
perhaps one of the longer laps then as its supposed to be one of the quicker f1 circuits
https://live.planetf1.com/f1-gp-tracks/miami