F1 2022 Season

corners 1 then 2 then 3 etc
as for 10 I assume that might be flat out given the ground effect cars will get better downforce the faster they go (assuming they dont porpoise?)
Makes sense. On the lifting I would think not since it has to be one of the drs zones.
 
Apparently a new floor arrived last night in Bahrain ... so I wouldn't be so sure it will take them so will be interesting to see if that makes a big difference

It was pretty quick in the slow sections so if the new floor goes someway to sorting out the porposing I can certainly see one of them in the top 6
Thanks for that info. I am looking forward to seeing Russell against Verstappen in similar performance cars. Hopefully the new floor will fix some of the porposin issues. Do you know if there were enough new floors for more than one car and were there any spares?
 
Thanks for that info. I am looking forward to seeing Russell against Verstappen in similar performance cars. Hopefully the new floor will fix some of the porposin issues. Do you know if there were enough new floors for more than one car and were there any spares?
not sure... probably wont find out anybody's true pace till the last 5 mins of quai 3 on saturday

Gut feel is that all f1 teams have dealt with proposing with previous genertions of cars and its a known phenonium... will impact different teams differently at different circuits so they will probably be looking t multiple floors (ike they have multiple front and rear wing set ups) or they will want a floor that can be reconfigured to suit a circuit (probably the best long term solution given the limited modeling, wind tunnel times and budgets)
 
not sure... probably wont find out anybody's true pace till the last 5 mins of quai 3 on saturday

Gut feel is that all f1 teams have dealt with proposing with previous genertions of cars and its a known phenonium... will impact different teams differently at different circuits so they will probably be looking t multiple floors (ike they have multiple front and rear wing set ups) or they will want a floor that can be reconfigured to suit a circuit (probably the best long term solution given the limited modeling, wind tunnel times and budgets)
Thats a good and valid point about circuit specific floors. Hadnt crossed my mind. Would be expensive to do, though i could see specific floors for places like Monaco and Singapore etc.
 
Thats a good and valid point about circuit specific floors. Hadnt crossed my mind. Would be expensive to do, though i could see specific floors for places like Monaco and Singapore etc.
I can see this being a working option.
Found this, now not sure how true this is.
The intricacy of the designs of Formula One floors and bargeboards translates into a combined amount of approximately $141 000.
I dont see it being a prohibitive cost, to have race specific floors.
 
People pay way too much attention to testing times, you need to look at the GPS data (which we don't have) and the body language of the cars to get an idea. Mercedes have hidden performance every single year since they got competitive and roll up at Race 1 competitive and everyone goes "how can they keep getting away with it!"

I do actually think for once they may be 3rd in the pecking order but would I be surprised if they win on Sunday? Not even a little. The issues they appear to have could be fixed with one update, the trouble is you can't replicate the issue in a wind tunnel environment so they probably have to keep trying things until they find something that just works, could be 1 race, could be half a season but they will fix it.
Yeah, Sainz said the same thing during testing.

 
People pay way too much attention to testing times, you need to look at the GPS data (which we don't have) and the body language of the cars to get an idea. Mercedes have hidden performance every single year since they got competitive and roll up at Race 1 competitive and everyone goes "how can they keep getting away with it!"

I do actually think for once they may be 3rd in the pecking order but would I be surprised if they win on Sunday? Not even a little. The issues they appear to have could be fixed with one update, the trouble is you can't replicate the issue in a wind tunnel environment so they probably have to keep trying things until they find something that just works, could be 1 race, could be half a season but they will fix it.

there is something to take from testing times if you understand context and dont just pluck it from the sky. Its why nobody is saying Haas is gonna challenge for a world title. I have watched that mercedes during testing last week, it looked like it would struggle to keep with the mclaren. Lewis times on the last day were long runs and it was merely ok in context of everything. It looks unbalanced and there is just no wow factor to it. Ferrari on the other hand looks really really good and the redbull also looks fantastic. Redbull had some very good long run times. Mercedes are again on the back foot like they were last year. Its a long season they are a mega team and can catch up like they eventually did to the RB last year. The times are uselful if you have all the context of times, historical data, track conditions and people on the ground relating back how the car is performing in certain KEY corners.
 
I'm really hoping the Ferrari doesn't flatter to deceive this weekend!

So much positivity about this year's car and with a great driver lineup it would be fantastic to see them properly challenge the top two
 
You’d hope George isn’t just going to Mercedes to be Hamiltons bottas bitch.
He's the long term replacement, but I feel this next season will be about learning and supporting. He won't be Hamilton's bitch, but I don't doubt they'll swap the cars if needs be, no different to Max and Perez.
 
He's the long term replacement, but I feel this next season will be about learning and supporting. He won't be Hamilton's bitch, but I don't doubt they'll swap the cars if needs be, no different to Max and Perez.
Mercedes will definitely favour Hamilton over Russell this year. That will be obvious to everyone. They need to help him get title no7. Sure Russell wont mind having a learning year to get used to the team. If the title (and i doubt it would) came to a straight fight between Russell and Hamilton, Mercedes would use team orders for sure in Hamiltons favour. Theres a wrong from last season that needs to be righted. If thats the correct word. Not just for Hamilton and Mercedes but for the sport itself. I hope Hamilton and Mercedes can make it happen.
 
there is something to take from testing times if you understand context and dont just pluck it from the sky. Its why nobody is saying Haas is gonna challenge for a world title. I have watched that mercedes during testing last week, it looked like it would struggle to keep with the mclaren. Lewis times on the last day were long runs and it was merely ok in context of everything. It looks unbalanced and there is just no wow factor to it. Ferrari on the other hand looks really really good and the redbull also looks fantastic. Redbull had some very good long run times. Mercedes are again on the back foot like they were last year. Its a long season they are a mega team and can catch up like they eventually did to the RB last year. The times are uselful if you have all the context of times, historical data, track conditions and people on the ground relating back how the car is performing in certain KEY corners.
Gary Anderson and Mark Hughes i think did some analysis for the The Race website and he had HaaS as 5th-6th quickest team over the latest test. RedBull were first followed by Ferrari, then Mercedes and Mclaren.

These two know their stuff, i dont know of they were given access to any GPS data, but interested to see of their analysis was correct.
 
I can see this being a working option.
Found this, now not sure how true this is.
The intricacy of the designs of Formula One floors and bargeboards translates into a combined amount of approximately $141 000.
I dont see it being a prohibitive cost, to have race specific floors.
Theres a budget cap now, so they will still have to be careful with spend. The teams will be desperate to ensure that they can keep their floors hidden from cameras for as long as possible. Dont want to bin or beach the car this weekend and have it hoisted onto a recovery truck. The entire world will see your floor.
 
Mercedes will definitely favour Hamilton over Russell this year. That will be obvious to everyone. They need to help him get title no7. Sure Russell wont mind having a learning year to get used to the team. If the title (and i doubt it would) came to a straight fight between Russell and Hamilton, Mercedes would use team orders for sure in Hamiltons favour. Theres a wrong from last season that needs to be righted. If thats the correct word. Not just for Hamilton and Mercedes but for the sport itself. I hope Hamilton and Mercedes can make it happen.

Number 8.
 
I'd hope, after all that time propping up Williams, if he's in a title-winning car this season he'd go for it himself.

He grew up watching Hamilton, he should remember how Hamilton was in 2007 and 2008. World champions don't tend to play bitch roles at any stage of their careers.

One thing I definitely expect is he will out-qualify Hamilton a lot more than Bottas did, so team orders might become a very big Merc issue very quickly.
Perhaps, but by that rationale I expect Perez to be battling Max? Of course, I believe Russell is significantly faster than Perez so perhaps that comparison doesn't start up too much to scrutiny. Another way to look is that George can use this year to learn all he can from Lewis, the greatest driver of all time. If it turns out George is miles ahead of Lewis then Merc will support him, but I don't see that happening and it would be a strange set of circumstances this year for Merc to not try to optimize a single driver to right the wrongs of last year, and that will be Lewis by default. I'm 100% sure that George will have been briefed on all this.
Mercedes will definitely favour Hamilton over Russell this year. That will be obvious to everyone. They need to help him get title no7. Sure Russell wont mind having a learning year to get used to the team. If the title (and i doubt it would) came to a straight fight between Russell and Hamilton, Mercedes would use team orders for sure in Hamiltons favour. Theres a wrong from last season that needs to be righted. If thats the correct word. Not just for Hamilton and Mercedes but for the sport itself. I hope Hamilton and Mercedes can make it happen.
Exactly, I'm sure George has been thoroughly briefed on what to expect. Lewis might have said "once I've got the 8th, I'm done". That would motivate George to do all he possibly can to keep everyone else but Lewis behind him this year so that next year its all his.
 
Russell will take time to adjust. Hamilton may be in the latter stages of his career, but people so easily forget that he’s a very, very fast racing driver. I expect Russell will not have the same distance in qualifying between him and Hamilton as Bottas did, assuming he settles into the car. And I do expect he will be closer to Hamilton than Perez. But I still think Hamilton will still have the edge. It’s a lot easier to push the car right to the limit in a Williams when you know you have to have a chance, to be in a competitive car fighting for pole.
 
Russell will take time to adjust. Hamilton may be in the latter stages of his career, but people so easily forget that he’s a very, very fast racing driver. I expect Russell will not have the same distance in qualifying between him and Hamilton as Bottas did, assuming he settles into the car. And I do expect he will be closer to Hamilton than Perez. But I still think Hamilton will still have the edge. It’s a lot easier to push the car right to the limit in a Williams when you know you have to have a chance, to be in a competitive car fighting for pole.
Bottas's biggest issue in qually was his inability to brake as late as lewis. Lewis has always been exceptionally good on the brakes. It will be a good test for george over the course of the season to see how he does in qually.

Also russell has a driving style which is reminiscent of Button, Prost and Jackie Steward. Very smooth, so the car may suit his style or it may not. Lots of unknowns.

A previous poster mentioned Perez have great racecraft but not so great in qually. Schmacher, despite his poles was never known for his one lap pace, he had outstanding racecraft. Alonso is another not known for his one lap pace, but his expectional racecraft.
 
Also russell has a driving style which is reminiscent of Button, Prost and Jackie Steward. Very smooth, so the car may suit his style or it may not. Lots of unknowns.

I know a lot of opinion on the 2nd Mercedes is hypothetical, but Russell jumped into Hamilton's car in Bahrain 2020 and put in a race winning performance. I doubt their design philosophy has shifted dramatically in 2 seasons, so I don't think there is any reason why Russell cannot be on the pace right away.
 
For the first part it's just different takes or different approaches, it's all a done deal so no matter.

For the second part maybe you will have to google Spirit of the Rules or Within the Spirit of the Rules, sure - no offence, but if you don't understand it don't worry about it, it doesn't mean anything these days anyway although people like to quote it. F1 isn't a Gentleman's sport anymore, scrutineers don't have it as a numbered item on the list of things to check under the hood anymore.

Oh I know what the spirit of the rules means, I guess you were saying that the spirit hasn't mattered for a while? If that's the case I don't really agree, or at least in Abu Dhabi they took a huge step further away from it with a pretty unprecedented interpretation/throwing the book out of the window.

Still, nice to have this discussion respectfully, time to look forward to Bahrain, be interesting to see how the new race direction works.
 
Could see Russel outqualifying Hamilton a fair amount this season, if he really is what he's hyped up to be. His point of reference for teammates isn't useful though.
 
Oh I know what the spirit of the rules means, I guess you were saying that the spirit hasn't mattered for a while? If that's the case I don't really agree, or at least in Abu Dhabi they took a huge step further away from it with a pretty unprecedented interpretation/throwing the book out of the window.

Still, nice to have this discussion respectfully, time to look forward to Bahrain, be interesting to see how the new race direction works.
Yeah, let's get away from last season.

Masi didn't misinterpret the Spirit of the Regs, the rules were there and he was encouraged by the weasel to apply them inconsistently. Horner in the reverse situation would have been arguing for the rule to be applied correctly. As it is, he's no gentleman anyway, he won't have believed what was happening and his luck, rubbing his little paws together, the rules and how he can work within them, outside them, to lose someone their job just to suit him and his team his only goal to win. Any misinterpretation of that rule has been closed off, not a spirit of the regs.
 


I'm really digging Vettel's homeless/surfer look :cool:


First comment on the video
Every race weekend, one of my favorite moments is right after the opening title because they keep that undertone beat from the theme song and the commentators start introducing us to the race day….gives me goosebumps everytime…..
Exactly the same for me...
 
If you lot were in Wolff’s shoes, would you go for Russell like he did or Norris instead?
Russel. As dislikeable as he is, he is Mercedes backed and has shown incredible speed. Well worth the gamble.
 
If you lot were in Wolff’s shoes, would you go for Russell like he did or Norris instead?
I'd have gone Russell too. Russell beat Lando in F2 back in 2018 I believe. Huge talent, very good driver. Let's see if he has the necessary ruthlessness to become world champion material. He has to show he's willing to push Hamilton to the max.
 
With the new Pirelli compounds, I’ve got a feeling we’ll be seeing consistent two stops at most races this year.

Bahrain wouldn’t surprise me that we see a three stop for some teams due to the wear rate on this circuit.
 
If you lot were in Wolff’s shoes, would you go for Russell like he did or Norris instead?
Norris is a journeyman f1 driver like Sainz. Good but not world class. Think the likes of Fisi, Ralf, Checco etc. Ricciardo will demolish him if he gets on top of the car this season.

Russell is class and it’s demonstrative of his achievements in the Williams.