Dart Tothwhen the pumpernickel doesn't snap and lewis thinks the car is a shitbox
F1 2022 Season
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You missed whining on the radio to the stewards!
They need to limit that unless it's for safety reasons, just watched drive to survive and the stewards were definitely influenced by the whining. It should be like football where team managers can be given a yellow or red card if they keep doing it
when the pumpernickel doesn't snap and lewis thinks the car is a shitbox
He really didn't have much luck with those pumpernickels
what even is a pumpernickelFor next years DTS I really want to see less of Horner, it's like he signed a multi year exclusivity deal. Someone should tell him it was a different Toto that sang 'it's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you.'
Also I don't need Will Buxton giving me exposition every 5 seconds about how drivers don't like to be beaten by their team mates or how you might lose your seat if you don't score a single point all season. Thank you I never would have worked that out for myself.
I somewhat enjoyed this season, but the fly on the wall aspect is completely gone and replaced by carefully choreographed scenes. That one scene alone of Christian and Geri walking, one minute the camera is behind them and the next minute it's a few feet in front but the conversation flows to the next sentence so you know they stopped it mid take to reset the shot up again from a new angle and 'ok 3...2...1... action', it's not as honest anymore with flowing conversation being captured. I'd rather see 240p shaky cam footage of something raw and real.
Also I don't need Will Buxton giving me exposition every 5 seconds about how drivers don't like to be beaten by their team mates or how you might lose your seat if you don't score a single point all season. Thank you I never would have worked that out for myself.
I somewhat enjoyed this season, but the fly on the wall aspect is completely gone and replaced by carefully choreographed scenes. That one scene alone of Christian and Geri walking, one minute the camera is behind them and the next minute it's a few feet in front but the conversation flows to the next sentence so you know they stopped it mid take to reset the shot up again from a new angle and 'ok 3...2...1... action', it's not as honest anymore with flowing conversation being captured. I'd rather see 240p shaky cam footage of something raw and real.
Excited for the season. Disappointed to hear Hamilton complaining that his car isn't there yet. Please get it done you dunderheads and give him a car to compete at least. Would be nice if we can get a better fight from start to finish.
Also, would be hilarious if the car is indeed faster and Hamilton takes the chequered flag singing tralalala.
Also, would be hilarious if the car is indeed faster and Hamilton takes the chequered flag singing tralalala.
I want a multi driver multi team fight to the last race, with some different teams in the mix eg McLaren/ Ferrari even a wildcard like Williams
I'd like DTS to follow a driver over a GP race weekend - what do they do, what meetings take place, how do they deal with waiting around for the race to start etc
I'd like DTS to follow a driver over a GP race weekend - what do they do, what meetings take place, how do they deal with waiting around for the race to start etc
Is anyone else immature enough as me to giggle that when Toto said “kiss” in (I presume) Austrian in the 9/10th episode, it sounded like “pussy”
Is anyone else immature enough as me to giggle that when Toto said “kiss” in (I presume) Austrian in the 9/10th episode, it sounded like “pussy”
Haven't quite gotten up there but undoubtedly I'm immature enough - every time Leclerc says "feck" angrily after something bad has happened I think it's hilarious.
A subtle word change in an article of the FIA's sporting regulations will avoid a repeat in the future of the controversy that marred F1's 2021 title decider in Abu Dhabi.
Earlier this year, F1's sporting regs featured a slight change to the sport's Safety Car procedure on the back of last year's botched finale.
In a bid to speed up a race's restart process, the FIA updated Article 55.13 of F1's Sporting Regulations, stating that the Safety Car will no longer need to wait until the last lapped car has passed the leader to withdraw and return to the pits, a change that should ensure a quicker restart process in the future.
But the FIA has now added another tweak to Article 55.13 that also governs how backmarkers are allowed to unlap themselves.
The change involves replacing in the following paragraph the word "any" with "all".
"If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message ‘lapped cars may now overtake’ has been sent to all competitors using the official messaging system, all cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."
Previously, the presence of the word "any" in the article is what allowed former FIA race director Michael Masi to permit only those cars positioned between race leader Lewis Hamilton and second placed driver Max Verstappen to unlap themselves in Abu Dhabi, a decision that opened the floodgates to the controversy that led to Masi's ousting from the FIA.
Including the word "all" in lieu of "any" now takes away any ambiguous interpretation of the article by the race director and will avoid a repeat in the future of last December's embroilment.
https://f1i.com/news/434698-fia-pre...TmF3bwhb2gg5pf7C4hlcWuu2fMP60K0nzI6EnBs-E9MdE
Earlier this year, F1's sporting regs featured a slight change to the sport's Safety Car procedure on the back of last year's botched finale.
In a bid to speed up a race's restart process, the FIA updated Article 55.13 of F1's Sporting Regulations, stating that the Safety Car will no longer need to wait until the last lapped car has passed the leader to withdraw and return to the pits, a change that should ensure a quicker restart process in the future.
But the FIA has now added another tweak to Article 55.13 that also governs how backmarkers are allowed to unlap themselves.
The change involves replacing in the following paragraph the word "any" with "all".
"If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message ‘lapped cars may now overtake’ has been sent to all competitors using the official messaging system, all cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."
Previously, the presence of the word "any" in the article is what allowed former FIA race director Michael Masi to permit only those cars positioned between race leader Lewis Hamilton and second placed driver Max Verstappen to unlap themselves in Abu Dhabi, a decision that opened the floodgates to the controversy that led to Masi's ousting from the FIA.
Including the word "all" in lieu of "any" now takes away any ambiguous interpretation of the article by the race director and will avoid a repeat in the future of last December's embroilment.
https://f1i.com/news/434698-fia-pre...TmF3bwhb2gg5pf7C4hlcWuu2fMP60K0nzI6EnBs-E9MdE
Basically admitting they fecked up and Hamilton was robbed. Even due to the last bit not being changed, "the following lap". So the rules weren't even remotely followed.
Absolute shit show.
Absolute shit show.
Rather admitting there was enough ambiguity for what happened to have not been strictly against the rules. Otherwise it wouldnt need rewording.
Yeah I think I agree with this rather than the Lewis was robbed angle, but I dont want the arguments starting again, my last comment about last season.
Its race week, looking forward to it.
This is just housekeeping and closing off potential to misinterpret rules and regs. I think the fact they've had to let go of Michael Masi is the biggest shame, not who won or lost on the day or for the championship, who was robbed or not, but at the end of the day it has brought up an issue being exposed to what you could call undue pressure from both team bosses regardless of who got their way on this occasion, maybe out of many others. A nice guy who was very respected has lost his job. Yup, last word.
While you're right that there needs to be a buffer between the teams and the race director, Masi had to go because he'd been a disaster for most of the season even if Latifi hadn't crashed. The debacle in Abu Dhabi was just the icing on a multi storey cake.
As for the rewording, while the spirit of the rules was clear before, it's sensible to make sure the wording of the rules is watertight to ward off "creative" interpretations.
In fairness to the FIA their response to all of this has gone a long way to restoring sporting credibility, which was in the gutter.
Everyone mentions this Spirit of the Rules/Regs like it's written in stone somewhere, maybe on the backend of Moses Ten Commandments, but, try looking for it. The last race of the year proved that where there's wriggle room that makes the game fairer for one, but not the other..they'll take it thank you very much. No, let's not return to last season.
The thing with any referee is that they will over a season make decisions that don't favour you, and some that do, we say quite often, well it evens out over the race or the season, but as has been said, and by you Masi needed a buffer, and not just between him and Toto and Horner. He is a nice guy, he could have done with some help and sometimes we see a guy at work who makes the odd error and we say, 'let's give him some coaching, maybe a bit of training, he's worth it overall'. That could have been the case.
No, the Spirit of the Regs was heard more often and carried more weight before F1 became so professional, so expensive, so technical, probably back in Jack Brabham's day
This.
Ambiguity that was exploited and abused by Masi who then decided the result, yes.
What time (UK) is quali and the race on Saturday and Sunday respectively?
3pm I think (for both)
Bahrain
18th Mar - 20th Mar
| TV Times | On Air | Start | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 18th Mar | Practice 1 | - | 12:00 |
| 18th Mar | Practice 2 | - | 15:00 |
| 19th Mar | Practice 3 | - | 12:00 |
| 19th Mar | Qualifying | - | 15:00 |
| 20th Mar | Grand Prix | - | 15:00 |
Maybe it was editing or maybe it's just him but George Russell comes across as a complete twat.
Thanks all
Why are you not in the prediction league?
Gonna say it now, both Mercedes wont be in the top 6 for the start of the GP on Sunday.
Just like the definant in DS9 had engines that were too powerful for the ship, this Mercedes has so much downforce that its porposing really badly. It will take awhile to get ontop of it all and when they do.....
Just like the definant in DS9 had engines that were too powerful for the ship, this Mercedes has so much downforce that its porposing really badly. It will take awhile to get ontop of it all and when they do.....
I have a feeling you may be right but I'm going to bet on the long-shot that this is the usual MO from Merc and they'll be there or there-a-bouts on Saturday Qualifying. It has become quite the pantomime piece over the years.
I tend to agree with you.
It may take half a season before they get on top of things. Like last season.
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There was no ambiguity here, hence why it has never been interpreted this way before in the history of the sport. It was a weak cop out excuse that Masi clung to, and also largely irrelevant anyway. The rules state that the race must restart at the end of the following lap after drivers receive the message that lapped cars can overtake. Masi restarted the race at the end of the lap that the announcement was made. So this clearing up of 'ambiguity' still doesn't mean the rules were followed correctly. Had he followed the rules as written, the race would never have restarted because there wasn't enough laps left to restart it in accordance with the rules. Had the rules been followed correctly, the race would have 'restarted' as Hamilton crossed the line to win.
An FIA executive has already stated that if Mercedes pursued their appeal, they'd have probably decided that Masi went against the regulations and that they would have voided the result completely which would still have left Max champion, but is a complete admission that Masi's actions were wrong and that had they followed the rules properly, Max would not be world champion. Not sure why we keep finding excuses for Masi/Red Bull. It's crystal clear in the rules that what happened should not have happened, even if you completely ignore the 'some lapped cars can overtake but not others' issue.
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I have to miss the opening race to go with my girlfriend to get her stuff from her old place so gonna be watching it on catch up. I think Mercedes are still going to be competitive, we see other teams porpoising too and they're likely sandbagging in testing. Maybe not 1-2 but enough so that once they fix the issue they're not so far behind that they can't be competitive. I just hope we see Ferrari up there in the top 3, their car looks gorgeous and it's about time they were competitive again.
The new rule isn’t consistent with what happened. It is not clear that all the cars would have made it past the safety car in time.
No it wouldn't, the regs still state the race restarts at the end of the following lap.
Directly from the regs 2 minutes ago
This would have been the moment Lewis crossed the line to win. So as I said, even if you completely ignore the 'some cars vs all cars' issue, the rules explicitly state that what happened should not happen and nothing has changed there since the farce happened.
Well said. Complete farce of a result. Alas...