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F1 2022 Season
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Lewis was gifted titles by the FIA being slow to change the rules to curtail Mercedes dominance. That's the difference to everything that's gone before. Nothing has ever happened like last season before.
Funnily enough with Max as a fully deserving winner they fecked it up and couldn't tell him if he was champion or not. Ive never seen the FIA like this, its like they think its their job to be part of the entertainment. Now to see how they worm out of rescinding last season's title again, probably a hefty fine or something for the team, just enough to keep the drivers championship intact.
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I thought that The FIA were going to announce the Certificates of Compliance at 10 am? where are they and why do they keep dragging their feet?
That's shocking. If he is good/lucky with team selection you have to imagine a lot of records will be broken.
Alonso and Vettel finishing side by side.
It is disingenuous to say that Lewis Hamilton was 'gifted' WC......
The FIA may have been slow to change the rules.
But he wasn't gifted anything. Lewis Hamilton and the Mercedes team were simply better at what they were doing than the opposition.
In exactly the same way that Max Verstappen and Red Bull have been better this season and therefore deserve to have won.
But let's not acknowledge Max achievements by disparaging those of Lewis.
Fair play to Seb there. Kept his calm and controlled the wheel spin with way worse tyres.
Shame we didn't get to see that happen on the broadcast.
I have only just seen Pierre Gasly narrowly escape a collision with a recovery vehicle.
Shocking is all I can say, red flag or not , that crane should not have been on the track, while car were still on it.
Shocking is all I can say, red flag or not , that crane should not have been on the track, while car were still on it.
totally disagree about Lewis being gifted anything, Mercedes were just better, did the FIA also gift Nico his WC ?
Jules Bianchi had his accident at Suzuka too. Makes one wonder whether all these newish restrictions that have made racing worse (no refueling, no real rain races etc.) are worth it when the organisers evidently don't give a flying feck about safety.
missing the maxterix
Imagine how many wins the others would have if they could have 2 lap safety car wins too
In much the same way Brabham, Lotus, Williams, Ferrari and plenty of other cars were just better at the time. The FIA have always stepped in after a couple of seasons to even things up. Mercedes had 8 years of unchecked dominance. It doesn't diminish Hamilton's achievements but you have to acknowledge the FIA's inaction allowed him a virtually free run at a few of those titles.
Spot on.
They're alll working towards the same rules, why couldn't the other teams catch up in 8 years? sounds like sour grapes tbh.
They DID get an early advantage with the engine - that's fair to say, but no reason why the others couldn't get it done.
Heck even Ferrari had an illegal engine and still couldn't win the title
they were just better, simple.Sorry but I don't have to acknowledge that, because it is not correct.
No I dont agree, all teams worked to the same rules and spec's
So what if it took other teams 8 years to catch up, well with the FIA's help.
I really dont get the belittling of anybody that wins world titles.
They're alll working towards the same rules, why couldn't the other teams catch up in 8 years? sounds like sour grapes tbh.
They DID get an early advantage with the engine - that's fair to say, but no reason why the others couldn't get it done.
Heck even Ferrari had an illegal engine and still couldn't win the title
Why didn't other teams catch the Brabham fan car?
Williams active suspension?
Benetton traction control?
McLaren's dodgy fuel?
The FIA's job is to create a level playing field and they are usually quick to introduce rules to reign in dominant cars, but Mercedes had 8 years before they did anything.
They're alll working towards the same rules, why couldn't the other teams catch up in 8 years? sounds like sour grapes tbh.
They DID get an early advantage with the engine - that's fair to say, but no reason why the others couldn't get it done.
Heck even Ferrari had an illegal engine and still couldn't win the title
To be fair there was a token system for the engines and it limited development so Merc always had the advantage and the others simply couldn’t catch up. Customer teams didn’t even have the same modes for a while.
Usually rules are changed but F1 had an ownership change and were focused on introducing the cost cap plus Covid delayed the reg changes.
I’m not contributing to the argument one way or another but it was factual and everyone knew this, the teams said so and everyone knew Merc would always win that era. The focus were the rule changes and cost cap the past few years.
What advantage did Mercedes have that was akin to any of those? they didn't use anything 'trick' apart from that adjustable steering which was banned after a year.
That's a fair point.
In recent years with the wind tunnel limitation and budget caps, it's certainly made it harder also.
It just makes me laugh that people try to downplay Hamilton's achievments, when all of f1 history has pretty much a similar story.
What advantage did Ferrari have in the early 2000s, aside from just being better?
Or Lotus in the 70s?
The point is that whatever the reason, throughout F1 history one team has gained an advantage over the rest and gone on to enjoy a period of dominance. The FIA has always stepped in after a couple of years and changed the rules to level the playing field again. The fact is with Mercedes they didn't and left it 8 years before doing anything, leading to the longest period of domination by a manufacturer in the history of the sport.
The fact that they get paid more than any other team regardless of where they finish in the constructors championship.
Schumacher had his own tyres made by Bridgestone to purposely suit his car for a start
Compare that to Michelin who had more customers and couldn't specialise, that was a farce in itself.
Obviously some teams just nail the regulations better, which is what Mercedes managed. The big difference was their advantage in acing a very complex power unit, which was costly and complicated for others to catch up on.
Now the 4 manufacturers are very equal.
Even if their budgets aren'tSchumacher had his own tyres made by Bridgestone to purposely suit his car for a start
Compare that to Michelin who had more customers and couldn't specialise, that was a farce in itself.
Obviously some teams just nail the regulations better, which is what Mercedes managed. The big difference was their advantage in acing a very complex power unit, which was costly and complicated for others to catch up on.
Now the 4 manufacturers are very equal.
The FIA made plenty of rule changes to try to curtail Mercedes dominance, they just weren't very good. I remember everyone saying the redesign in 2017 was going to completely neutralise Mercedes' dominance, but they innovated and looked stronger than ever.
As another poster mentioned, they gave RB a huge advantage in 2021 by banning DAS which made RB significantly better on high downforce corners.
Ferrari had huge (even more than now) influence behind the scenes. There were numerous times competitors came up with innovation that made them genuinely fast within the rules, where Ferrari would force the FIA to change the rules ASAP (rather than the previous precedent of waiting until the end of the season), for a lame reason like 'cars would have to spend a lot of money copying the innovation'.
Be interesting to see where they've overspent and how they respond. There's claims it was "only" 1 million and that it was down to catering and sick leave but don't know how accurate they are.
My guess:
"We are confident that we have fully complied with the rules, as they have been laid out. We shall be consulting legal council to robustly defend our submission, which we believe was clear and correct.
"We think it is a shame that certain teams have, without cause or evidence, been pressuring decision makers of our wrongdoing. This is wrong, and we need to ensure that this will not happen again".
I mean it's clearly down to Lewis only eating caviar whenever he visits the RB pit.
What difference does it make what area the overspend is? I keep seeing the defence of "oh well it was only catering", and? It's a budget, you balance the budget across all areas because otherwise.......it's not a budget.
9 teams did it, 1 didn't.
9 teams did it, 1 didn't.
Try to tell a judge that you were only half a pint over the limit. You exceed limits set you deserve to be punished. If they don't then they might as well scrap the cap now.
100% agree
it was only light treason.
Context matters, this is f1 though and a 1mm gap in your wing too big will get you dq. Then the cost cap should be the same.
And yet the rules have been defined for all season and only now do people have a problem with there being a difference between a minor spend and a major spend.
Exactly, what is the pint of rules if not adhered too.
Points drop were noted for both Minor and Major breaches. The only difference really was that a Major breach means a season ban while the Minor breach is a one race ban.
How dare Red Bull over spend on *checks notes* catering and paying ill employees.
I guess they must have dominated due to their drivers being so well fed.