F1 2022 Season

World: You should not get full points for a race that barely happened
FIA: We hear you. To stop such a farce happening again, there will be a sliding scale of points based on the number of laps completed
World: Great!
FIA (whispers): But we'll award full points, irrespective of the number of laps, as long as we don't end under a red flag.
World: What? Did you say something?
FIA: Oh, nothing, nothing!
 
goalscholes said:
World: You should not get full points for a race that barely happened
FIA: We hear you. To stop such a farce happening again, there will be a sliding scale of points based on the number of laps completed
World: Great!
FIA (whispers): But we'll award full points, irrespective of the number of laps, as long as we don't end under a red flag.
World: What? Did you say something?
FIA: Oh, nothing, nothing!
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You don't race under a red flag
 
goalscholes said:
The weird thing is they introduced the rule so that a farcical situation like Spa would never happen again, but introduced a rule where it clearly could.

The FIA are just so incompetent.
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They wanted Red Bull Honda to win the Championship in front of their home crowd and had enough wiggle room in the rules to make it happen. With the Commentators saying it would be half points all race it would have been easy for someone from the FIA to put them straight but no they like their clouded rules.
It really makes no difference. Max was going to win the tittle anyway but they had to make it so he won at Honda's home track.
 
Fully Fledged said:
They wanted Red Bull Honda to win the Championship in front of their home crowd and had enough wiggle room in the rules to make it happen. With the Commentators saying it would be half points all race it would have been easy for someone from the FIA to put them straight but no they like their clouded rules.
It really makes no difference. Max was going to win the tittle anyway but they had to make it so he won at Honda's home track.
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pauldyson1uk said:
Bold claim, I can see him winning 5 easy but not on the bounce, this season has been easy for him, easier than any of Lewis wins.
Next season I hope will be a closer fight, Mercedes will have learnt lesson and they should be better and oters will join the fight.
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I agree with the previous poster - short of a mini rule change to slow down the Red Bull, like they did with Mercedes last year, then Max is going to run away with every championship until the next big rule changes.

Perez won't be allowed to challenge him even if he was capable, and Red Bull
are simply too far ahead, while other teams are trying to figure out how to catch up they have time to pull even further ahead.
 
Fully Fledged said:
They wanted Red Bull Honda to win the Championship in front of their home crowd and had enough wiggle room in the rules to make it happen. With the Commentators saying it would be half points all race it would have been easy for someone from the FIA to put them straight but no they like their clouded rules.
It really makes no difference. Max was going to win the tittle anyway but they had to make it so he won at Honda's home track.
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Not the case in the slightest. The rule was made after last season. The rule always stated it applies when a race is only X% completed AND the race doesn't finish under a green flag.

This race finished under a green flag so the half points rule doesn't apply.

It might be a stupid rule but they followed it exactly. Not their fault people didn't read/understand the rules.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Not the case in the slightest. The rule was made after last season. The rule always stated it applies when a race is only X% completed AND the race doesn't finish under a green flag.

This race finished under a green flag so the half points rule doesn't apply.

It might be a stupid rule but they followed it exactly. Not their fault people didn't read the rules.
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The problem is the pundits at sky don't read the rules and then the rest just parrot what they hear on the telly.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Not the case in the slightest. The rule was made after last season. The rule always stated it applies when a race is only X% completed AND the race doesn't finish under a green flag.

This race finished under a green flag so the half points rule doesn't apply.

It might be a stupid rule but they followed it exactly. Not their fault people didn't read/understand the rules.
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It is they could have put them straight. For well over an hour they were saying that it would be half points all that it would have taken to put them right was a text or e-mail.
The teams didn't know either both Red Bull were seen checking the rules after the race to see what had happened.
 
Fully Fledged said:
It is they could have put them straight. For well over an hour they were saying that it would be half points all that it would have taken to put them right was a text or e-mail.
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Agreed they should have sent out a message saying there would be full points but that's not what you said in your post. You implied they wiggled the rules to get the result. That is not the case.

Also on all the FOM graphics they where showing full points to be fair.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Agreed they should have sent out a message saying there would be full points but that's not what you said in your post. You implied they wiggled the rules to get the result. That is not the case.

Also on all the FOM graphics they where showing full points to be fair.
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It is. In those conditions the 5 second penalty for Leclerc was harsh.

Tell you the truth I haven't seen the rule but it's been reported to be vague.
 
phelans shorts said:
So if it stops the guy you don’t like people should be able to literally cut corners and cheat?

come on.
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I thought the rule was that if you went off the track that you had to come back on behind the car that was in front of you when you went off. Not directly behind the car but you couldn't be in front of a car that was in front of you.

Any way as I said before Max was always going to win the title so it stopped nobody.
 
Fully Fledged said:
I thought the rule was that if you went off the track that you had to come back on behind the car that was in front of you when you went off. Not directly behind the car but you couldn't be in front of a car that was in front of you.

Any way as I said before Max was always going to win the title so it stopped nobody.
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He went off the track knowing that he would lose his position if he didn’t, he had to face a penalty and did.

Unless they let Max rewrite that rule as well in his 20 second relaxation time with an evil cackle
 
phelans shorts said:
He went off the track knowing that he would lose his position if he didn’t, he had to face a penalty and did.

Unless they let Max rewrite that rule as well in his 20 second relaxation time with an evil cackle
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I have seen that happen loads of times without a penalty. Both Max and Lewis did it more that once last year.
 
sun_tzu said:
Yeah max would have won it but the real question is would he have won it if red bull had not cheated and overspent on their car? ... if the fia actually enforce their own rules le clerc and ferrari could still win it this year

Looking forward to see who the real champion will be next year when they hand it to max again
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Was that not for last year? and in any case, we will get to know about the report tomorrow. It still has no bearing how dominant RBR have been this campaign. Ferrari looked like Spurs in the season where Leicester won the PL.
 
Fully Fledged said:
I have seen that happen loads of times without a penalty. Both Max and Lewis did it more that once last year.
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Perhaps the difference being he actively blocked off Perez at the last moment too (Perez had to hit the brakes to avoid a collision after Leclerc changed his line at the final moment) who didn't make a mistake and had far more speed after the corner, in order to stay ahead and thus he gained an advantage. Penalty was correct in my opinion, but only because it was the final lap. If it wasn't I imagine they would have resolved it by making Leclerc give up the position after a quick review which would have been fine too. In any case Leclerc simply buckled under pressure (again) so can't have too many complaints really.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Perhaps the difference being he actively blocked off Perez at the last moment too (Perez had to hit the brakes to avoid a collision after Leclerc changed his line at the final moment) who didn't make a mistake and had far more speed after the corner, in order to stay ahead and thus he gained an advantage. Penalty was correct in my opinion, but only because it was the final lap. If it wasn't I imagine they would have resolved it by making Leclerc give up the position after a quick review which would have been fine too. In any case Leclerc simply buckled under pressure (again) so can't have too many complaints really.
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Agreed.

Becoming a bit of a worrying trend with Leclerc. Fantastic driver when it's all going well, but he seems to lack that mental fortitude that Verstappen/Hamilton has.

If he can't get over this pressure issue, he's going to find it hard to beat Max.
 
Fully Fledged said:
This is a joke of a sport as I said before. If the rules are this clouded as so no one knows what happens then it's a shit show.
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I've news for you about football referees. And the referees in every other sport I follow.

Fully Fledged said:
They wanted Red Bull Honda to win the Championship in front of their home crowd and had enough wiggle room in the rules to make it happen. With the Commentators saying it would be half points all race it would have been easy for someone from the FIA to put them straight but no they like their clouded rules.
It really makes no difference. Max was going to win the tittle anyway but they had to make it so he won at Honda's home track.
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I started watching F1 while Lewis was dominant and almost everyone insisted the FIA was handing him titles. Some pointed out that every champion gets hit with this rubbish by people who dislike him and I wondered if it was true. Nice to know that it was.

hp88 said:
fecked up the Sky Sports sound bite as well for the adverts, we’re going to hear Jonny Herbert for the next 12 months.
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I hate Herbert. Maybe it's his obsession with "Lewis".
 
It was a fitting performance with which to clinch the title.

He said: "During the race, I had no clue what they were going to decide with the points. So of course the main target was to win the race.


"Once I crossed the line, I was like 'OK that was an amazing race with good points again, but not world champion yet'.

"Then I did my interview after the race. And then suddenly my mechanics started to cheer and I was like, what's going on?

"And then I realised that Checo [Perez] was second instead of Charles, but I still didn't know if it was full points, half points or whatever.

"But then of course, you read through the rules. And the FIA came to me and said that I was the world champion.


"So then we celebrated but people were telling me no, you're still missing a point, and then it is amazing again - it was a bit weird.

"Eventually we had enough points. So then we were world champions again."
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Completely farcical.
Congratulations to Max for winning the title. He thoroughly deserved it but the fact that not even the race/title winner new that he had won the title 5 minutes after the race is crazy.
 
Fully Fledged said:
You think I don't moan about them.
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I'm sure you do but my point is that officials are criticised in every sport and always made out to be the worst officials in any sport. Imo, its just a difficult job and impossible to please everyone
 
Congrats to Max winning the title while speaking to Johnny Herbert.

Leclerc doesn't have what it takes over a season regardless of the team's mistakes. Talented over a lap but probably needs a superior car to cancel his own errors under pressure..
 
Regardless of the result today, the main story for me was the crane on track before the red flag. After what happened with Bianchi at this track in these conditions as well. Someone has fecked up big time. I was angry watching it live on Sky listening to Chandhock trying to lay the blame at Gasly for driving too fast under yellow / red flag conditions.
 
antsmithmk said:
Regardless of the result today, the main story for me was the crane on track before the red flag. After what happened with Bianchi at this track in these conditions as well. Someone has fecked up big time. I was angry watching it live on Sky listening to Chandhock trying to lay the blame at Gasly for driving too fast under yellow / red flag conditions.
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I just can’t understand how these cranes don’t have a large blinking light system to highlight its on track in these conditions, I don’t think there was even the small yellow light on this.
 
hobbers said:
He was right though. The tractor being on track when it shouldn't and Gasly's speeding are completely separate things. Tractor or not Gasly was going twice as fast as he should in the conditions, through double yellows that became a red flag, past an accident where he knew there'd be marshals on the track.
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Gasly is doing what all drivers would do in that situation. Pit, and then under the double yellows drive to the delta to reach the back of the crocodile behind the safety car.

He was about a second away from the crane when the race was red flagged. At that point the danger had been created and someone had sent that crane onto the circuit. Surely you would wait till all the cars had lined up behind the safety car and had driven slowly past the scene so that everyone had an idea of where the accident is and where recovery vehicles might be.
 
christy87 said:
I just can’t understand how these cranes don’t have a large blinking light system to highlight its on track in these conditions, I don’t think there was even the small yellow light on this.
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It shouldn't be on the racetrack at all until all the cars are behind the safety car. In the last race they threw a track is green while marshalls were trying to pull Latifis wing from a safety barrier.
 
Norris said:
Was that not for last year? and in any case, we will get to know about the report tomorrow. It still has no bearing how dominant RBR have been this campaign. Ferrari looked like Spurs in the season where Leicester won the PL.
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They were developing 2022 the car in 2021 so any overspend in 2021 would have influenced last year's car and this year's and will also influence next year's as they obviously have the strongest base to develop from. So in actuality it has 100% bearing on how dominant RBR have been in this campaign. In theory if the overspend is found and RBR can't explain it they could lose last year's and this year's WDC and this years contructors.

What I don't fully understand on the overspend is they tracked the spend using the rules in 2020 but just didn't have any thresholds. Unless they then changed the rules significantly going into 2021 or the spending profile was completely different, there should be very little room for interpretation.
 
A very big well done to both Max and his Red Bull team. While not really challenged, the team did so much right which the rest did so much wrong.
Hopefully next year there will be much more of a challenge from Ferrari and Mercedes and maybe others as well.
Not a vintage F1 season by any stretch of the imagination.
 
slyadams said:
What I don't fully understand on the overspend is they tracked the spend using the rules in 2020 but just didn't have any thresholds. Unless they then changed the rules significantly going into 2021 or the spending profile was completely different, there should be very little room for interpretation.
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I think there is some interpretation around spending on Engines, and RBR have obviously brought that "In house" since 2020.
 
mitChley said:
I think there is some interpretation around spending on Engines, and RBR have obviously brought that "In house" since 2020.
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That would make sense yeah. Still, one can argue that is a risk they took on and should have well known what was and wasn't allowable and presuambly got clarifications from the FIA completely on that at the time. One thing is for sure: if RBR are the ones guilty of the big over-spend and the FIA throw the book at them. Many heads would have to roll at that team.
 
slyadams said:
That would make sense yeah. Still, one can argue that is a risk they took on and should have well known what was and wasn't allowable and presuambly got clarifications from the FIA completely on that at the time. One thing is for sure: if RBR are the ones guilty of the big over-spend and the FIA throw the book at them. Many heads would have to roll at that team.
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Let's wait and see instead of believing what their direct competition are saying.
 
Verstappen vs F1 greats at same age (25 years, nine days)

Good Comparison table.
SchumacherHamiltonAlonsoVettelVerstappen
Debut age2222201917
Wins211142232
Poles017143318
Podiums1727333974
Win %5221624.420.1
Titles01122
 
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