Russell, Verstappen and Hamilton laughing at Ferrari on the hards in the cool down was pretty funny and a fair summary of the race.
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According to Toto on sky after the race the they didn't have any mediums left.
I dunno, he basically didn't have any competition, Ferrari self immolated as usual and no other cars are near his pace wise.
Like I said, he drove well, but nothing exceptional, he made a mistake but wasn't punished because Ferrari are a joke and no other cars are near his.
As I said though, it's immaterial as the WDC has been his for weeks.
So? Could and should have done the same strategy as Lewis and Sainz.
They got rattled by Max and Red Bull and tried to match them even though they started on different strategy.
Hardly. They would be closer, of course, but certainly not coasting. Better strategists wouldn't prevent their engines from exploding.
Yeah George even said he felt sorry for Leclerc in his media interview post race. It's incredible
Sainz and Leclerc would both be up at the top every race. Perez is hit and miss for RB so they’d be easily ahead constructer wise.
Yes, for constructors you may be right. I was thinking you meant Leclerc leading Verstappen in the drivers. And if I recall correctly, both Sainz and Leclerc have certainly dropped plenty of points through driver errors as well.
In any case, it is a big shame that the top three teams are not at least somewhat equal in terms of strategy. You have to feel for Leclerc every time Ferrari takes positions from him.
I think Leclerc would probably be leading too with better strat and team too. You don’t make as many mistakes when you have a good team around you that help you rather than hinder you. You don’t have to push as much to fight against their shit.
It's all their own making, I am not excusing anything.
I think you would be hard pressed to find 80 points lost for Leclerc that you could attribute to the Ferrari strategy team.
Great driving from Max, and great driving from Hamilton in the final part of the race. Leclerc another brilliant race, probably the fastest driver today, started 3rd - finished 6th! Amazing stuff!
For a start, Ferrari need to make sure Leclerc is driver no. 1 because Sainz obviously doesn't have it in him, and he should help him as more as possible. Regarding tactics, I seriously doubt they can improve. But the good thing is that they can't be worse than this.
That was actually the most amazing part of their strategy. They saw Max pitting and they pitted him immediately for some reason. Not only they opted for Hard, but they pitted him at least 10 laps earlier than they should have considering be was very gentle on his tyres even in his first stint and lasted the longest.
For a start, Ferrari need to make sure Leclerc is driver no. 1 because Sainz obviously doesn't have it in him, and he should help him as more as possible. Regarding tactics, I seriously doubt they can improve. But the good thing is that they can't be worse than this.
That was actually the most amazing part of their strategy. They saw Max pitting and they pitted him immediately for some reason. Not only they opted for Hard, but they pitted him at least 10 laps earlier than they should have considering be was very gentle on his tyres even in his first stint and lasted the longest.
Upto 5th in the superbru thing. That’s was a tough weekend to get things right.
Merc with pole and fastest lap is good to see, was happy with that.
Brilliant from verstappen, just made it look so easy gradually cruising to the front and staying there with ease, I’ve come to terms with him winning the dc now, there’s no real competition to him
But he’s doing his bit more than good enough to be fair
Good drive from vettel too
Merc with pole and fastest lap is good to see, was happy with that.
Brilliant from verstappen, just made it look so easy gradually cruising to the front and staying there with ease, I’ve come to terms with him winning the dc now, there’s no real competition to him
But he’s doing his bit more than good enough to be fair
Good drive from vettel too
Ferraris super computer needs binning.
Clearly they panicked and thought covering Max was the right idea, but completely ignored the hard tyre was dogshit for the majority of the field.
Only really Norris managed to put it on and not completely shit the bed, I think his car was setup for wet weather conditions as he burned through his soft set pretty quick.
Clearly they panicked and thought covering Max was the right idea, but completely ignored the hard tyre was dogshit for the majority of the field.
Only really Norris managed to put it on and not completely shit the bed, I think his car was setup for wet weather conditions as he burned through his soft set pretty quick.
as I said. Mistakes come with being frustrated at the team too. Add in that Sainz is more capable in the Ferrari than Perez in the RB and you’d have a team that can take on Max. Lewis was helped out by Bottas at times to chip away at point tallies.
Cool down room today.
The laughs at the end when Lewis questions Ferrari's true choice...
Fernando Alonso lap 1 team radio after the squeeze at the wall by his teammate:
“If we both finish the race in the race, it's because of me.”
“If we both finish the race in the race, it's because of me.”
Hamilton still got it. Max and Lewis still the best on the grid.
Ferrari messing up again but it's been errors all round. The drivers and team will have to develop the winning formula, both aspects look quite raw.
Ferrari messing up again but it's been errors all round. The drivers and team will have to develop the winning formula, both aspects look quite raw.
I find Max very difficult to warm to, likely because I find Horner insufferable and whiny. He’s a very good driver though, I can’t deny that but he seems slightly more mature and level headed this year with his driving.
Probably a big factor is the fact he’s got daylight between him and the rest of the pack in the championship
Probably a big factor is the fact he’s got daylight between him and the rest of the pack in the championship
Yeah perhaps the actual f1 teams are supposed to have more resources to calculate the correct strategy than a tire maker. All teams but one that is.
I find a large part of it is because he's got Marko, Horner and his dad in his corner, all grade idiots who stir the pot. I think lot of it from Max last year was probably them winding him up.
Pirelli has data from all the teams... Even ignoring that, and using your own sims and data... they only needed to look at the Alpines sliding down the grid.
Yeah it’s down to the team, even Vettel came across a complete twat whilst he was driving with them, totally changed my opinion on him once he left the team. Said it a few days ago but Max will become a more likeable figure once he leaves RBR.
Hamilton was about 15 seconds behind Leclerc I think when Max pitted for the second time. Lewis ended up 8 seconds behind Max. If Leclerc had just followed the right strategy he wins that race easily. In a season of bad decisions, that was Ferrari’s worst.
Not 100% sure, Sainz pace on softs was poor and Charles was aswell when he switched off the hards. I think Max would of undercut them anyway and then Feraris just had no pace on the softs to get anywhere near him in the final stint. Lewis was taking 1sec or more out of Sainz on the same tyres.
Jesus I just realised I thought the exact same. Couldn’t stand Vettel at RBR but realised he was a cool guy at Ferrari onwards…
…must be RBR.
Good point - also he had the two Alpines behind him both on older hards so he had a pretty comfortable buffer.
Obligatory 'what the feck are Ferrari playing at', good to see both Mercedes on the podium, leading a race for 30 laps and defending the Ferraris off the line is a good indicator, hopefully the second half of the season continues like this. This year is a write off but hopefully next year they're much more competitive.
Missed your post so apologies for the belated reply.
Frankly nothing Horner has done in the press is as actually bad as Toto actively encouraging a race director to disregard safety measures so as to give his team an advantage. Of course I can easily imagine Horner doing this had the positions been swapped, but this is more or less my point.
Horner faffing about in the press is of far less consequence than Toto petitioning the race director to not deploy a safety car - again though, these two are absolutely birds of a feather and undoubtedly would have acted the same had circumstances been different.
I think you're showing your own bias here. The mistake that Masi made that cost him his job and was a complete reinterpretation of very clear rules came because Horner and co were actively petitioning for it on the radio. When it comes to trying to get an advantage for their team, all team principles are as bad as each other - when it comes to being an actual human being, most teams act with grace where as Horner victim blames everyone, tries to insinuate that other people are trying to kill his driver etc - cnut behaviour.
The bolded was literally my original point - the poster I quoted had a go at me for suggesting that Horner and Wolff were equivalent morally.
I also would further suggest that Wolff's conduct last year went beyond the pale versus whatever anyone says in the media - pushing a race director to not deploy a safety car so as to advantage your own team is fecking ridiculous and unacceptable. Racing is obviously dangerous but a team principal advocating for unsafe conditions to preserve an advantage is indefensible.
Again though, my point is that Horner would have done the exact same thing had the positions been reversed - I'm certainly not arguing that Horner is a saint, I'm arguing that he and Wolff are cut from the same cloth and anyone who thinks one is morally superior to the other is silly and biased.
Them being on par in one aspect of a job and not at all in other areas of their lives by default makes them not equal.
What? Are you arguing that we can't weigh their actions against each other since they've taken different paths to F1?
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Sainz did say in an interview last week that "We're not a disaster like people think" so they're obviously aware of it. It's amazing that they do nothing about it.
Spot on. Trying to split hairs between the best to do it so as to argue some sort of moral superiority is ridiculous in my opinion.
Horner and Wolff are both cutthroat bastards who will do whatever it takes to win. If you think one is more righteous than the other you are very likely biased by a driver preference.
This first lap from Ocon was disgraceful. I can understand, on the run down to the first corner, it can get messy and I think there wouldn't be many complaints with Ocon's weaving. However, when you see the decision to wash Alonso off track at turn 5, it's hard to defend his driving. Then, further into the race, although not an unfair move, the decision to squeeze Alonso after the pit stops which allowed Ricciardo to pass both of them baffles me. It's like he's more concerned about beating his teammate at the expense of the team and his own performance. Very much a guy who bring others down with him. It's not the first time Ocon has had issues with faster teammates, Perez being the obvious example. It's frustrating, because Ocon's story to F1 is so likeable and he seems like such a down to earth guy in sport dominated by the elite. But as soon he jumps in the car, he becomes a knob.
I remember listening to Gasly's appearance on beyond the grid. He talked about how he fell out with Ocon over the latter's behaviour during his karting days. Gasly said Ocon would crash into him in order to secure wins, even cutting the track once to do so, and generally racing overaggressively in order not to finish behind Gasly. Of course you have to take what Gasly says with a pinch of salt but I think there's enough evidence in Ocon's F1 career to suggest he's a sore loser and will go to any length as to not lose to his rivals/teammates, even if it means damaging his own and the team's race.
Alpine have an incredible talent in Piastri, waiting to get a seat, so they really need to decide whether Ocon is the future of their team. Personally, I think Alonso is much the better driver, despite his age, and would serve well in mentoring a younger driver like Piastri. I think if you put Ocon and Piastri together, there will be fireworks, especially when Ocon realises how good Piastri is. Last thing you want is a rattled Ocon and an inexperienced driver having to deal with his nonsense.
No I'm saying if two people are identical in one aspect but very different in all others, then they are not overall equal to each other and to argue so is simply foolish.
Remember first couple of races and Ocon's behavior. Alpine will never replace Ocon being French.