What a great career though, I did not like the fella at Red Bull but I can appreciate his talent and I think he's going to do a lot of good for the world outside of his career. One of the good guys of F1.
F1 2022 Season
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Understandable. Unlike Hamilton, who also has avid interests outside the sport, he doesn't have a team capable of winning a title next season so it makes sense for him to retire and focus on those other bits and bobs. Good bloke. Hated him at Red Bull and he's turned into one of my favourites on the grid. Will miss him.
Vettel and a blown diffuser was a historically powerful combination. Shame to see him go, but its very clear he's not enjoying running in the midfield and his statement around perfection is something that will take a long time to achieve at Aston Martin.
It'll be interesting whether Aston recruit experience or go for one of the next gen drivers.
It'll be interesting whether Aston recruit experience or go for one of the next gen drivers.
Top driver - sad to see him leave, and a bit shit how it ended at that plastic team.
I never liked him , hated that Finger when he won, but that changed over the years, funny guy on TV.
Hopefully Sky will give him a presenters stint, maybe FIA could use him has some sort of ambassador.
Hopefully Sky will give him a presenters stint, maybe FIA could use him has some sort of ambassador.
Vettel really never was the same again after the crash in Germany when he was leading in 2018. Showed the odd flash here and there but you could tell that broke him. He made a massive amount of wheel to wheel errors afterwards and really wasnt the same afterwards.
I can see why hes going, hes young enough still to do something else and why waste more years driving an car that wont challenge and is mid table at best.
He will be a massive loss as a personality though.
Couldnt tolerate him at Red Bull, but he went up massively in my eyes when he was the first over to congratulate Hamilton in Turkey in 2020. Class act.
I can see why hes going, hes young enough still to do something else and why waste more years driving an car that wont challenge and is mid table at best.
He will be a massive loss as a personality though.
Couldnt tolerate him at Red Bull, but he went up massively in my eyes when he was the first over to congratulate Hamilton in Turkey in 2020. Class act.
The FIA would never have him as an ambassador, he would be too quick to call them out on their bullshit.
very true.The FIA would never have him as an ambassador, he would be too quick to call them out on their bullshit.
Yeah shame he couldn't get a car that was competitive post the reg changes. Didn't seem interested trundling around the back. Hope he can enjoy his retirement.
Him, Alonso and Hamilton have defined the past 15 years or so of F1. Disappointing to see him walkaway, hope atleast Alonso sticks around next year and Alpine get him a car that can at least achieve podiums
Him, Alonso and Hamilton have defined the past 15 years or so of F1. Disappointing to see him walkaway, hope atleast Alonso sticks around next year and Alpine get him a car that can at least achieve podiums
I think Seb will have triple crown ambitions.
End of an era.
Him and Kimi were my favourites and now they’re both going to be out of the grid.
Him and Kimi were my favourites and now they’re both going to be out of the grid.
Hope we can see both Sargeant (Williams) and Piastri(AM) next year in F1
I'm the same and I can't seem to put my finger on exactly why I hated him at Red Bull so much. I think it's more of a Horner and Red Bull thing as I really dislike Max and I've gone off Checo in the last 18 months.
It'll be interesting to see if this triggers a mini driver merry go round. I can't see Aston Martin making any giant leaps up the grid for next year so I don't see many of the midfield drivers wanting the seat. Hulkenberg would seem to be the most likely candidate without a seat currently? Danny Ric when he's got the sack at McLaren?!
Does Piastri have links to AM? I was thinking Hulkenberg is the most likely 'solid' choice like Magnusson was for Haas.
I agree, can't see it being anybody else.
I'd love for Vettel to join the Sky commentary team, he was on Top Gear once and he was hilarious.
Nicole Rosberg joins remotely, and I think for not every episode, so maybe Seb could do the episodes he doesn't? If he did them remotely like Rosberg, it would allow him to stay home with his family, who he wants to spend more time with
I'm not surprised he's fallen out of love with it, having to drive that terrible car, especially if he's more focused on his campaigning and family now. Could see him and Lewis linking up to do something for LGBTQ
Nicole Rosberg joins remotely, and I think for not every episode, so maybe Seb could do the episodes he doesn't? If he did them remotely like Rosberg, it would allow him to stay home with his family, who he wants to spend more time with
I'm not surprised he's fallen out of love with it, having to drive that terrible car, especially if he's more focused on his campaigning and family now. Could see him and Lewis linking up to do something for LGBTQ
It could be something like the loan deal they were trying to work out with Williams, Alpine don't have a seat available till Alonso is still around.
There were rumours back in May around Mick Schumacher potentially going to AM.
The top Gear episode was when I started to change my mind about him, he was funny.
Hulkenberg would be my choice also.
Definitely, really like the Hulk and was gutted when he crashed out when a podium was on the cards (Hockenheim if I remember?).
As for Vettel, disliked him massively when at Red Bull, but as soon as he moved to Ferrari he became one of my favourite drivera
No different to Toto who said he wants the rules changed for "Saftey"
Sad to see Seb go. As others have mentioned at one point I was sick of him, but that was just the Red Bull dominace at the time which made it boring, similar to Lewis at Mercedes for a time. Began to appreciate him much more at Ferrari, although his mistakes at times when wheel-to wheel were frustrating. Have huge respect for him though for what he's accomplished in the sport and he seems like a really great guy outside the sport. The fact he's been so open about human rights and other social issues in the last few years is abolsutely amazing with the platform he has.
Sad to see Vettel go. Will miss his personality on the grid.
On the other hand i would love to see AM crumble cease to exist just because for shoehorning that talentless owner's son. Big money but nothing to show for it. There's something fundamentally wrong with that team.
On the other hand i would love to see AM crumble cease to exist just because for shoehorning that talentless owner's son. Big money but nothing to show for it. There's something fundamentally wrong with that team.
Toto is by no means an perfect, but his behaviour is angelic compared to Horner.
Lots of decent, hardworking folk in that team. Stroll might not be your cup of tea but I wouldn't want AM to fold. They are proper racers.
That would be a step backwards for Mick, so I doubt this would be his preference. Given that he has put in some decent performances recently I think Haas will have him in their car next season.
That talentless driver that decimated George Russell in F3, that talentless driver that finished 3 points behind Massa in his first full season. That talentless driver with 3 podiums and a pole in wet weather.
Are you going to pretend Lando Norris would be in the same position if it wasn't for his daddy's money
I remember Vettel being the new young guy getting in the way of Hamilton at Interlagos when battling Massa for the title, somehow he's got older than Lewis.
I wouldn't call it a step backwards, only if you're looking performance at this moment in time. Gene Haas is putting zero money into that team on developing the ar and the development improvements they'll find over the next few seasons will be from whatever Ferrari output through 'reliability' updates to the engine or whatever parts come down the line. Whilst struggling at the moment, Aston Martin have got significant investment and key personnel to drag it up the grid.
That said, given Mick's recent performances might change Haas's mind from back in May when his accidents were causing the team a lot of money. Pastry won't be at Alpine so he'll be loaned out, you could even see him at McLaren if Ricciardo goes & he could go to Aston Martin. Come Spa we'll begin to see the movers and shakers on the grid.
That talentless driver still behind uunmotivated soon to be retired Vettel in driver standing. Vettel even miss 2 races this year and he still couldnt beat him.
Whats Norris have to do with Stroll? Even Hamilton wouldnt get far in karting without his dad's money. This sports need money to go far of course but when your driver skills not up to requirement, criticism bound to flog on you.
For the amount of money and whats AM aspire to be, Stroll is not your driver.
Not sure where to place Vettel as a driver for me personally. It is a shame we didnt get to see him in a competitive car post his ferrari stint. Theoretically if Seb was in a ferrari with leclerc or a RB with max or a Merc with Hamilton. Would he beat those guys over a course of a season if he were their teammates? I think not. Yet if you did the same thought exercise with alonso, you'd have to say it would be so close that its impossible to call.
Thats why vettel for me isnt in the truly elite tier.
Did he deserve to be a 4 x WDC? For me no. I dont see him in the same class as Lewis and Alonso. I think those two make far fewer mistakes under pressure. But in Sebs defence, theres a pressure with driving a ferrari which is unique to ferrari.
However i have warmed to seb post ferrari.
I think he might come back to F1 if the right drive became available. Its a shame Porsche and Audi arent joining f1 until 2026 as a experienced german driver would probably be quite attractive to those teams.
Not sure who AM get in to replace him. They need a yardstick drive as stroll isnt upto the task.
Thats why vettel for me isnt in the truly elite tier.
Did he deserve to be a 4 x WDC? For me no. I dont see him in the same class as Lewis and Alonso. I think those two make far fewer mistakes under pressure. But in Sebs defence, theres a pressure with driving a ferrari which is unique to ferrari.
However i have warmed to seb post ferrari.
I think he might come back to F1 if the right drive became available. Its a shame Porsche and Audi arent joining f1 until 2026 as a experienced german driver would probably be quite attractive to those teams.
Not sure who AM get in to replace him. They need a yardstick drive as stroll isnt upto the task.
Not really. He said Max deserved to crash in Silverstone to learn a lesson. What's lesson was that considering his driver was fully at fault for that incident?
Pretty scummy. They all say stupid stuff.
Toto Horner is like the F1 equivalent of Jose and Fergie, who cares what they say. They are all understandably complete and utter hypocrites. It's fairly common in elite sport.
They are equally bad and ridiculous and if you feel differently you are betraying your own bias, end of story
I think he's about a one championship driver. Brilliant on his day and deserving of a WDC, but he doesn't get more than one without a hugely dominant car.
He's a better driver than Leclerc. Not better than Hamilton. It remains to be seen about Max.
”If you think differently from me you’re biased, end of story”. Frankly a pathetic stance.
I simply don’t agree. If anything whatsoever goes against red bull you can be 100% sure Horner will be in the press complaining and playing the victim, I just don’t see toto doing that to the same degree. It’s OK for us to disagree.
Most people would compare favourably against Horner.
Yeah, agree that Stroll isn't actually that bad. His father's done a terrible job with the team since they lost their tracing paper but I've seen a lot worse than Stroll.