Fair enough really, they've presumably got to make room for the Dubai Grand Prix, the Kuwait Grand Prix, the Arabian Grand Prix, the Middle-Eastern Grand Prix and the West Asian Grand Prix in the next few seasons.
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Fair enough really, they've presumably got to make room for the Dubai Grand Prix, the Kuwait Grand Prix, the Arabian Grand Prix, the Middle-Eastern Grand Prix and the West Asian Grand Prix in the next few seasons.
the rolling eyes was at the attempted murder comment.
Lewis was rightly penalized. That should be the end of it, but It will be mentioned for many years.
If Perez was indeed running the new spec floor, that is not a good sign for RB. Max will be seething if his car if affected in the same way. Horner did say that the floor was perfect and needed nothing done.
I wonder how Ferrari will handle the new floor when they bring it in.
OK let me throw this out, if Perez was running the new floor and Max was the old one and after the summer break they both run the new spec floor , the same with Ferrari and Mercedes dont have to change anything, does this put Russell and Lewis back in with a chance or are they already too far back?
Sorry but if Spa is dropped then feck Liberty and this bullshit Americanisation.
Shouldn't be losing either. Iconic tracks. Instead we get generic middle-east track #4 or some shit.No Spa but keeping Monaco.
Yeah Spa is one of the best tracks out there. Shouldn't be dropped for some stupid street circuit.
I think more fans would be sensible enough not to report this "attempted murder" or repeating the dramatics of Horner last year. I mean Max did park his car on top of Lewis Halo last year and did, essentially, break check him. How many times did Lewis avoid Max last year? Imagine if Lewis kept his line at Brazil last year. Max would of got a nice T-Bone at high speed. I think you missed the point, that Max has put other drivers in that position a huge amount of times, and they back off. Max did not back off. I agree the move was Lewis fault but to call it attempted murder is dramatic rubbish that Max fans want to repeat.
Yes Checo is slower than Max, but have you seen anytime this season where Lewis is pulling away from him? Or having to defend from a Merc? It was only two races ago he came back from near back of the grid to come 2nd.
As i said, if the rumours are true, it could be interesting. The re-arrangment of the fences can be all to do with either making the floor more solid in the places where it's flexing the skid plank, or redistribution of pressure away from areas that are causing the flexing. I found it weird that Perez was slow in practice with that new floor and they still ran the new floor the whole weekend. We'll see in Spa, as you said could be rumours but Perez pace yesterday vs how he has been all season.. something was up.
To fair back.. Even if they change their floor i think Max will still be there or there abouts with the Mercs. Plus we'll get some bumpy street tracks that will probably bring Mercs bouncing back. I do think Merc/Lewis can beat the Ferrari's though, that's more to do with Ferrari reliability and wanting to sabotage themselves.
Wonder if Red Bull are more focussed on the 2023 car right now. Their updates havent been very significant, small changes only, and apart from reliability I think the car just isn't as good as the Ferrari. Ferrari have had the one lap pace all season, have massively improved their top speed by implementing the Red Bull style wing and for the past few races their tyre degradation was better than RB too. Reliability (both from the car and the drivers) is really the main reason Red Bull and Max are where they are so I be too comfortable if I were Red Bull. Especially now that Mercedes are regularly making significant improvements and while their one lap pace isn't there yet their reliability is second to none and their race pace is good too.
To far back was my thought also.
Maybe they could have a chance with the constructors, I also think Lewis and maybe Russell will win races this season.
Not deluded, maybe wishful thinking.
I agree that Mercedes winning race will need DNF's from RB and Ferrari, to be honest, thats not really they way I would want them to win, but I would take it, Lewis's 3 podiums on the bounce has been because of DNF's
RedBull and Ferrari are going to make changes to their floors post belgium gp. They are the only two teams, fighting the new technical directive and any directives for floor changes for 2023 season. You wouldnt fight the TD that hard and threaten to take FIA to court if you didnt have serious performance loss with the TD.
Would appreciate any link to any articles that say Perez was running a new floor that complied with the TD. The rake of the car would need to change to comply with the TD as the front 25% of the plank cant wear down more that 1mm across the x/y axis therefore cant rake the rear suspension as high as usual. I didnt notice this during the gp. So as i said any links would be appreciated.
Would appreciate any link to any articles that say Perez was running a new floor that complied with the TD. The rake of the car would need to change to comply with the TD as the front 25% of the plank cant wear down more that 1mm across the x/y axis therefore cant rake the rear suspension as high as usual. I didnt notice this during the gp. So as i said any links would be appreciated.
RB have used alot of their budget for this season already and are mainly focused on weight reduction as the car isnt as light as it could be. Also RB have lost some wind tunnel time and CAD time with the midseason allocation updates reflecting their status as top team in constructors at the moment.
Race data, set up tests, etc so that can dial it in/upgrade over the summer break. Its why you get lot of teams running one car with upgrades up and down the grid.
Plus if it was an upgrade.. wouldn't they put it on max car first? Again it's just speculation though. I just found a few things interesting that it was on Perez car, this was the first race he was slower than the Mercs... And they kept it on despite him being so far off the pace in practice.
We can just wait and see in Spa really. I do think Merc will win a race.. I think on race pace they are getting there.
The proposed TD change for post belgium is supposedly will bring Mercedes slightly closer but it wont close a 0.5 second gap to Ferrari and 0.7 gap to Red Bull.
Mercedes will win a race this season, as others have said more likely because theres a dnf for the RBs and Ferraris.
Next seasons tech changes could change the pecking order and potentially bring Mercedes back to level pegging with RB and Ferrari.
I have looked and I cant find any thing really, just a couple of posts on other forums, with just speculation, nothing official.
I am leaning to @hobbers and his explanation, I dont think they would sacrifice so many points, running it before they had too.
Nobody mention a new floor on Sky, I am sure they would if they noticed anything.
Theres nothing on autosport f1 or on The-race.com about a new floor compiling with the TD on perez car. Perez was running different floor edging to max in the fp sessions but thats a completely different kettle of fish.
Where you getting the idea that Red bull are two tenths faster than Ferrari? If anything Ferrari are quicker but they just feck up half the races.
Yeah you got your info wrong.
Officially speaking Red Bull are making no changes for the floor for the TD in Spa. Horner already said they don't care about that TD and they are fine with it. It was only rumours early on saying Red Bull where opposing it. So as far as anyone actually knows this has no effect on them.
Also 6 teams are against the 2023 changes and rightly so considering the rumours in the 2023 changes are quite similar to a Merc suggestion of how to fix the issues that doesn't even exist.
Ferrari... (plus their engine customers Alfa R + Haas)
Red Bull (plus their junior team Alpha T)
who is the 6th?... Alpine?
Williams. Who are also the only team on the grid blocking hamiltons diversity plan to have more BAME incorporated into F1.
I will agree to disagree as we know both ferrari and RB have flexible floors and both will be illegal after spa.
https://formula1news.co.uk/red-bull...jor-blow-as-fia-clamp-down-on-illegal-floors/
https://formula1news.co.uk/wolff-br...r-as-fia-rule-them-illegal-after-austrian-gp/
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How's that even relevant to the aero issues?
Its not, read my sentence again properly. I used the word "also".
Williams are going out of their way to annoy their engine supplier. Either because they are skint. Or they dont agree with Mercedes on these issues.
You don't know that for a fact. All speculation.
All we know is what Ferrari and Red Bull say.
Ferrari have said they have to change floor for Spa to comply.
Red Bull have said they don't have to change and don't care about the TD. Obviously you don't have to believe them but that's the only official info anyone has.
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We will know for a fact after spa. As any floor, and suspension geometry changes will be listed for the dutch gp weekend.
Or before then ask yourself, why for past few GP, have RB been testing a floor with perez and not max in fp1 where they have been playing around with the edging of the floor (where the vortices help seal the floor?).
Its already the best car on the grid, with no porposing. Budgets are limited yet alot of time and effort is now being spent on the floor edging. Hmmmm......
The TD is not related to the floor fences at all which is what Red Bull have been actively changing....
Why do any teams change their design. Trying to improve, trying to get more downforce etc etc.
There is just as much chance this effects other teams as there was never confirmation Red bull are the 2nd team. Only rumours. Again it might be true but that's not the point. Really the point is how so many people run with rumours assuming they are true off zero info.
About the floor debate;
I don't think Perez's design would actually look any different, it's just stiffer and flexes less? I don't see how anybody outside of the team would know it was different.
I don't think Perez's design would actually look any different, it's just stiffer and flexes less? I don't see how anybody outside of the team would know it was different.
If you cant run the rake that RB currently do through the rear suspension because plank wear after spa has to be uniform across the length and width of the plank at no more than 1mm. Then what do you do? You loose the flexi floor and the 6mm of plank movement you had at spa and before.
Therefore you need to use the edge flooring to seal the floor in a way that makes up for the loss of the flexi floor and rake.
Hence the comprehensive testing. Theres a reason why this TD got pushed back to post spa rather than post French gp. To give ferrari and RB time to develop a new solution that fits within the TD.
They are the only two teams with the flexi floors. They wont loose much performance maybe its alledged up to 0.030 of a second. Thats not even 0.1 of a second.
Yes that's a theory but not a known fact. Again we only know Ferrari are changing as they have said they have to.
Red bull are adamant they are changing nothing and this TD doesn't effect their current design at all.
Maybe they are lying maybe they aren't. But as I said it's all a rumour to this point.
The Technical Directive won't make much impact if any with respect to performance. I see the status quo remain post Spa.
However I don't see RedBull as being up there with pace of Ferrari anymore, Ferrari are clearly with the advantage if they could sort out their issues. They need to grab a few 1-2s going into the power tracks to bring Leclerc back into this.
However I don't see RedBull as being up there with pace of Ferrari anymore, Ferrari are clearly with the advantage if they could sort out their issues. They need to grab a few 1-2s going into the power tracks to bring Leclerc back into this.
Still early days but interesting looking forecast on the weekend. Will make a change from the roasting temperatures they’ve got at the minute.
Agreed on the Ferrari being the fastest car now. Pace wise over a lap they really seem to be extending the gap to Red Bull but they just can't get it together on race day due to their mistakes.
I expect Hungary to be dominant for them unless they bin it or explode of course
very interesting, still warm but Saturday Thunderstorms 70%, could disrupt Qualifying
Sunday looks like it will be dry.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/first-details-of-porsches-f1-buy-in-of-red-bull-revealed/10344245/
https://the-race.com/formula-1/porsche-plans-to-buy-50-of-red-bulls-f1-operation/
PORSCHE PLANS TO BUY 50% OF RED BULL’S F1 OPERATION
https://the-race.com/formula-1/porsche-plans-to-buy-50-of-red-bulls-f1-operation/
PORSCHE PLANS TO BUY 50% OF RED BULL’S F1 OPERATION
I am shocked at this, not that Porsche are entering F1, but I thought they would enter has a new team , not on the back of an established team.
Can only be good for RB
Dishonesty and disingenuity are Horner's default settings. Honestly if that guy told me the sun was hot I'd start questioning everything I thought I knew.
Vettell retiring.
What a driver and what a human, hope he stays on our TVs.
What a driver and what a human, hope he stays on our TVs.
I’m not surprised but still gutted. Shame he had to spend his final two seasons in such a joke of a team.
Hope he sticks around in some capacity, he’d be absolutely brilliant on the Sky team but that ain’t gonna happen.
Hope he sticks around in some capacity, he’d be absolutely brilliant on the Sky team but that ain’t gonna happen.
BREAKING: Sebastian Vettel has announced he is retiring from Formula One at the end of the 2022 season
Not shocked to be honest, he does seem rather disillusioned with the sport at the moment.
Not shocked to be honest, he does seem rather disillusioned with the sport at the moment.