F1 2022 Season

I really thought Ferrari should've pitted Leclerc and covered Max, perhaps that mistake doesn't happen but he should also handle the pressure and not try to do too much on poor tyres, it's a tough one.

Maybe Red Bull are happy enough with Perez to not interfere with Max but they must be thinking they can improve a bit for constructors and strategy for next season. He's battling with a troubled Merc, 10 seconds off Lewis in the other one. On pace he'd be 6th.
 
It amazing that the last time Ferrari were the best team in the land, it was run by a little frenchmen.

I will say this to the day I die, Ferrari will only be competitve when the Italian's aren't running the show. It's even sadder what's happened to Michael as I reckon he'd be running the show by now.
 
mariachi-19 said:
It amazing that the last time Ferrari were the best team in the land, it was run by a little frenchmen.

I will say this to the day I die, Ferrari will only be competitve when the Italian's aren't running the show. It's even sadder what's happened to Michael as I reckon he'd be running the show by now.
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Would have been amazing to see.
 
mariachi-19 said:
It amazing that the last time Ferrari were the best team in the land, it was run by a little frenchmen.

I will say this to the day I die, Ferrari will only be competitve when the Italian's aren't running the show. It's even sadder what's happened to Michael as I reckon he'd be running the show by now.
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I have to agree. Ross Brawn, Jean Todt cut through all the political crap. They also shielded Michael from all the media madness. Michael in turn made ferrari less ferrari and more into a ruthless effcient machine. Rory Byrne designed some great cars. None were italian.

I know how it comes across and i hope its no longer true, but ferrari seem to need non Italians in positions of power to help ferrari be the team they need to be to win titles.
 
mariachi-19 said:
It amazing that the last time Ferrari were the best team in the land, it was run by a little frenchmen.

I will say this to the day I die, Ferrari will only be competitve when the Italian's aren't running the show. It's even sadder what's happened to Michael as I reckon he'd be running the show by now.
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Yeah Binotto will be the fall guy at some point, sure Arrivabene got sacked following Vettel back to back failures to win the WDC.
 
JuriM said:
Honest, but to defend Leclerc a bit, neither Max nor Lewis have had to deal with such an unreliable car and really bad team's race management which causes him to lose a lot races and points.
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I mean, Max has also dealt with a fairly unreliable car this year too. And on strategy, Merc were awful at times last year too. And in any case, I don’t feel like car reliability should play a huge part in your consistency to not make driver errors. I can see why it might (more pressure in races as you know there is a risk of future reliability issues), but I don’t think it’s a huge factor and I’m sure if we dug hard enough there’s probably unique pressures that apply to Max and Lewis too.

I don’t think we should write Leclerc off. What I’m really saying is that this year might be a year to go through all this and gain that experience, with next year (assuming Ferrari remain competitive) being the year he puts it all together to give Max a real run for it.
 
rpitroda said:
It’s not just one error though. There’s been a few now. It doesn’t make Leclerc a bad driver. It just means he might not be in that tier that Hamilton and Max are presently in. In the title scrap last year, neither driver made many errors in any racing condition be it worn tyres or not. And that was at the height of an intense, close championship at the business end. I’m not saying Leclerc doesn’t have the potential, he hasn’t been in a title fight yet so he’s still inexperienced. But he’s showing he is not quite there yet.
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Hamilton crashed his car in the qualifiers just few weeks ago. Max looks to be most consistent this year without a doubt.
 
Amar__ said:
Hamilton crashed his car in the qualifiers just few weeks ago. Max looks to be most consistent this year without a doubt.
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One crash at Austria in qualifying, I wouldn’t say it’s quite the same thing. But either way, last year when it mattered, I can’t think of many times they put a foot wrong. Either of them. Maybe Max at Jeddah.

It’s really laughable at this point to argue Leclerc is in the same category as Hamilton, Alonso and Verstappen in terms of know-how and consistency. He could be next year though.
 
Everyone is blaming Ferrari (and rightly so) but Le Clerc said himself he'd be 32 points closer to Verstappen if it wasn't for his own feck ups so even if their car was more reliable he clearly hasn't had the consistency and guile to keep up with Verstappen.
 
rpitroda said:
One crash at Austria in qualifying, I wouldn’t say it’s quite the same thing. But either way, last year when it mattered, I can’t think of many times they put a foot wrong. Either of them. Maybe Max at Jeddah.

It’s really laughable at this point to argue Leclerc is in the same category as Hamilton, Alonso and Verstappen in terms of know-how and consistency. He could be next year though.
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Hamilton binning a standing start for a guaranteed podium in Azerbaijan after Max had already crashed out. It cost him the title.
 
Leclerc wants it too much. We have seen that problem with Hamilton and Verstappen early on in their careers too but they mellowed out and rarely make mistakes that cost them titles or wins. He'll learn but seems nailed on for Max to get his 2nd title sadly.
 
Carl said:
Hamilton binning a standing start for a guaranteed podium in Azerbaijan after Max had already crashed out. It cost him the title.
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That was when he flicked "brake magic" on by mistake, driver error obviously but not quite comparable.

And something else cost him the title.
 
SilentWitness said:
Leclerc wants it too much. We have seen that problem with Hamilton and Verstappen early on in their careers too but they mellowed out and rarely make mistakes that cost them titles or wins. He'll learn but seems nailed on for Max to get his 2nd title sadly.
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Yeah I definitely think he's too hard on himself and tries too hard to be perfect. He's not happy to win at 90% if you get me? he can't win a race by 3 seconds, he has to win by 8 etc.

Obviously at that moment it was crucial as he was trying to build a gap to Verstappen before he pitted, but he pushes that little bit too hard. When he relaxes he's bloody fast anyway.

It's a shame as this year had real potential to match up to last years title fight, but it'll end in a wimper now unless RB has a serious collapse.

I hope Leclerc will use the rest of the season now to try and tame himself a little and learn for next year.
 
V.O. said:
I think the Ferrari decision to stop wasn't quite as stupid as it looked at the time.

I don't think Sainz had the life in his tyres to pull 5s away from the other two to cover the penalty, so he would have been P5 either way, and with the stop he gained the fastest lap point as well.
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Wasn’t the main error pitting him under the first SC, to change from hards to mediums? That completely destroyed his strategy as he would have presumably otherwise run much longer on the hards, and would have only had to stop once.
 
Leg-End said:
That was when he flicked "brake magic" on by mistake, driver error obviously but not quite comparable.

And something else cost him the title.
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"When it mattered they didn't put a foot wrong". I'd say that mattered, and was a massive foot wrong.

And sure, the farce on the last race cost him the title. Had Lewis not binned it in Azerbaijan though then it wouldn't have mattered.

Not dissing Lewis btw. He's in GOAT conversations for me. I just disagreed with that part of that post.
 
SilentWitness said:
Leclerc wants it too much. We have seen that problem with Hamilton and Verstappen early on in their careers too but they mellowed out and rarely make mistakes that cost them titles or wins. He'll learn but seems nailed on for Max to get his 2nd title sadly.
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Aye. Championship is already over. Still though, I think this season has been really good so far.
 
Christian Horner has demanded the FIA investigate Virtual Safety Car restarts after George Russell secured a podium at the French Grand Prix. The Red Bull boss revealed Perez did not get the correct VSC data in his car, used to tell a driver to slow down or speed up.

Meanwhile, Russell timed the end of the VSC perfectly to make the pass and grab a podium. He backed off in the initial phase before speeding up just as the VSC was withdrawn to catch Perez off-guard and sweep around the outside of turn 14.

But, Horner has called for the FIA to "explore" the issue to stop similar incidents happening again. Speaking to Motorsport.com, Horner said: "What was frustrating for him is there was an issue in race control with the safety car, the VSC, because they couldn't turn it off, so they had to do a reset.

"Just talking with him, he said he wasn't getting the delta in his car, so he was bang on his delta. George either pre-empted it but was within the delta, or maybe the information to the two cars was different.

"We have to go and explore that. Yeah, it was frustrating, because I think he would have had the pace to hold him off for a double podium."

Christian Horner calls for FIA investigation after George Russell podium (msn.com)

Have the FIA not already said there was a software issue ?
 
Carl said:
"When it mattered they didn't put a foot wrong". I'd say that mattered, and was a massive foot wrong.

And sure, the farce on the last race cost him the title. Had Lewis not binned it in Azerbaijan though then it wouldn't have mattered.

Not dissing Lewis btw. He's in GOAT conversations for me. I just disagreed with that part of that post.
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Agreed, I think for me it's just it wasn't really a driver error in the true sense of the word. Flicking a button on your wheel is just unfortunate, if he had just locked up of his own accord then yes it's pure driver error.
 
Leg-End said:
Agreed, I think for me it's just it wasn't really a driver error in the true sense of the word. Flicking a button on your wheel is just unfortunate, if he had just locked up of his own accord then yes it's pure driver error.
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Considering its not a toggle that was left on and it's a press and hold button it is for sure a driver error.

He knew what was at stake and he fecked it up at the end of the day. He wanted that P1 just a bit too much and it got to him.

Mistakes happen and that was a big one.
 
laughtersassassin said:
Considering its not a toggle that was left on and it's a press and hold button it is for sure a driver error.

He knew what was at stake and he fecked it up at the end of the day. He wanted that P1 just a bit too much and it got to him.

Mistakes happen and that was a big one.
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Was it confirmed a press and hold button? I’m pretty certain they changed it after that incident, it was a toggle and he knocked it on at the start, or atleast that’s what I remember happening. They then built a shroud around it so it wouldn’t happen again, I’m almost certain it wasn’t a press and hold.
 
Carl said:
"When it mattered they didn't put a foot wrong". I'd say that mattered, and was a massive foot wrong.

And sure, the farce on the last race cost him the title. Had Lewis not binned it in Azerbaijan though then it wouldn't have mattered.

Not dissing Lewis btw. He's in GOAT conversations for me. I just disagreed with that part of that post.
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Azerbaijan wasnt the sole reason. Points awarded to max for a race that didnt happen in belgium last year contributed for sure. Theres many flashpoints in last year that could be examined and made a contribution that could have stopped the controversial end of season finish from happening.

Taking out Lewis's crash in qually i think you need to go back to germany back in 2018 when he last made a error in a race. Seb was in the ferrari at the time.

Leclerc does want it too much right now, max was the same last year, wanting it so badly that his racecraft was erratic to say the least. However a WC later and we seem to have a clamer more measured verstappen. Lewis became calmer and more measured after his first title win with Mercedes. Leclerc will be the same eventually.

Anyway, more concerning to ferrari should be that Jock Clear was brought to ferrari halfway through last season to help leclrec iron out his mistakes. Help him with his focus, mentality and clamness under pressure. Clearly something isnt right in the work they (leclerc and clear) are doing.
 
Leg-End said:
Was it confirmed a press and hold button? I’m pretty certain they changed it after that incident, it was a toggle and he knocked it on at the start, or atleast that’s what I remember happening. They then built a shroud around it so it wouldn’t happen again, I’m almost certain it wasn’t a press and hold.
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It was a toggle that he knocked with his glove thats why they built a shroud over it afterwards.
 
dinostar77 said:
Azerbaijan wasnt the sole reason. Points awarded to max for a race that didnt happen in belgium last year contributed for sure. Theres many flashpoints in last year that could be examined and made a contribution that could have stopped the controversial end of season finish from happening.

Taking out Lewis's crash in qually i think you need to go back to germany back in 2018 when he last made a error in a race. Seb was in the ferrari at the time.

Leclerc does want it too much right now, max was the same last year, wanting it so badly that his racecraft was erratic to say the least. However a WC later and we seem to have a clamer more measured verstappen. Lewis became calmer and more measured after his first title win with Mercedes. Leclerc will be the same eventually.

Anyway, more concerning to ferrari should be that Jock Clear was brought to ferrari halfway through last season to help leclrec iron out his mistakes. Help him with his focus, mentality and clamness under pressure. Clearly something isnt right in the work they (leclerc and clear) are doing.
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Lewis made a massive error in Imola last year. Only saved by the fact Russell torpedoed Bottas allowing him to then unlap himself.

And then Baku as already mentioned is still his mistake.
 
I mean, the obvious answer to the Lewis stuff is after Baku he could still gain 400+ points in subsequent races. There were no more points to gain after the Masi shitshow.
 
rpitroda said:
One crash at Austria in qualifying, I wouldn’t say it’s quite the same thing. But either way, last year when it mattered, I can’t think of many times they put a foot wrong. Either of them. Maybe Max at Jeddah.

It’s really laughable at this point to argue Leclerc is in the same category as Hamilton, Alonso and Verstappen in terms of know-how and consistency. He could be next year though.
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It's pretty much the same thing. It's actually even worse since Hamilton was in perfect condition with new tires and qualifying car, while Leclerc was under pressure from his team that let him make fastest laps on finished tires.

I am not arguing that he is in same category like thise drivers, what are you on about? I am just saying that only Max is better driver this year on form than him(at least from those up front), but also has far better team behind himself which helps a lot.
 
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One thing I've missed this year is a lack of strategy wins. We had some great ones last year.

Spain, France, COTA.

Monaco was one this year but just due to the nature of the track it didn't feel as satisfying as seeing the Ones above executed to perfection.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
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The funny thing is Max has done the same thing, so many times in his career. Thrown it up on the inside on high speed corners, missing apex's.. The difference is that other drivers back out.

Rumors are that Perez was running the new floor that complies with the new TD that comes in after the summer break. Its going to be an interesting second half of the season if that's true.
 
Hal9000 said:
The funny thing is Max has done the same thing, so many times in his career. Thrown it up on the inside on high speed corners, missing apex's.. The difference is that other drivers back out.

Rumors are that Perez was running the new floor that complies with the new TD that comes in after the summer break. Its going to be an interesting second half of the season if that's true.
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And if Max had crashed Lewis out and gained 25 points doing it while also taking 25 from Lewis people would have also went crazy. The fallout made perfect sense.

Red Bull aren't changing there floor for that TD mate by all reports. So far it's only Ferrari officially confirmed to be changing anything.

Checo had different floor fences to Max but that's got nothing to do with the TD.

Most of the time Checo is just slower than Max. It's hardly surprising.

No one reliable has reported that Checo was using a floor to test the TD. It's all Twitter rumours.

Maybe Red Bull are lying and they will be effected but there is no evidence to that yet.
 
Lots of rumours circulating around the 2023 provisional calendar, which might be released during the Summer break. Paul Ricard and Spa look to be the casualties for next year, the latter forming a rotational GP potentially every other year.
 
F-Red said:
Lots of rumours circulating around the 2023 provisional calendar, which might be released during the Summer break. Paul Ricard and Spa look to be the casualties for next year, the latter forming a rotational GP potentially every other year.
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Damn shame to lose Spa as a permanent fixture, Paul Ricard can get in the bin though.
 
F1 losing Spa again is just ridiculous, how are you going to have a track like that fall off a calendar.......oh yeah, money, as always.
 
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