F1 2022 Season

[Adam-Utd]

Another thing, with another street circuit in calendar i think it make Formula E become more pointless going forward. They just get push aside more and more. Used to watched it quite often but i got bored quickly. I dont see its appeal aside from electric stuff anymore.

Formula E sucks because the tracks are always way too small, there's no room to safely overtake so they just end up either crashing into eachother or it becomes a train.

I don't think the budget is there to truly push development of electric vehicles either, so it's not really doing anything useful apart from being another formula.

 

[vangagal]

Formula E sucks because the tracks are always way too small, there's no room to safely overtake so they just end up either crashing into eachother or it becomes a train.

I don't think the budget is there to truly push development of electric vehicles either, so it's not really doing anything useful apart from being another formula.

Yeah and there's thats too. Whoever design the circuits need to be sacked i think. So poorly design all around.
Merc(last season this year), BMW and Audi have pulled out from there. I can see the others pulled out too sooner than later. There's not much to be excited about Formula E.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Obviously Russia will be cut, but they’ll rotate some of the European races (France and Germany most likely) and i expect Imola to be cut or rotated from 2023 as they don’t need two races in Italy.

I expect noise around Monaco to start in the next few months as they don’t have a contract for a race next year.

They will never drop Monaco, will they ! No its unthinkable, is it ?
Personally I dont think they ever will.

 

[oates]

They will never drop Monaco, will they ! No its unthinkable, is it ?
Personally I dont think they ever will.

I'd absolutely love it if they did. I can barely stand to watch it anymore but I know @Sassy Colin would be heartbroken if it was stopped.

Mind, going to maybe be a fair few Russians parked up in the marina next few years. Their boats might be (for sale even) but their money might not be around.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

I'd absolutely love it if they did. I can barely stand to watch it anymore but I know @Sassy Colin would be heartbroken if it was stopped.

Mind, going to maybe be a fair few Russians parked up in the marina next few years. Their boats might be (for sale even) but their money might not be around.

I dont love Monaco, but I would be sad to see it end.
Monaco is F1 , it is the blue ribbon race, the race every driver wants to win.

 

[oates]

I dont love Monaco, but I would be sad to see it end.
Monaco is F1 , it is the blue ribbon race, the race every driver wants to win.

It was I feel, glamorous as such. Expensive, but I've never been. I think these days the drivers are more pragmatic and see it as a hard race - much higher degree of concentration needed I would have thought plus they must know there are only ever going to be a handful of winners.

I'm sure it means more to some than it doesn't for me. There's tracks I'd love to see back though.

 

[Zlaatan]

They will never drop Monaco. It's about as plausible as FIFA dropping the World Cup.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

It was I feel, glamorous as such. Expensive, but I've never been. I think these days the drivers are more pragmatic and see it as a hard race - much higher degree of concentration needed I would have thought plus they must know there are only ever going to be a handful of winners.

I'm sure it means more to some than it doesn't for me. There's tracks I'd love to see back though.

I can see where your coming from.
The best Monaco races are in the rain.

 

[oates]

They will never drop Monaco. It's about as plausible as FIFA dropping the World Cup.

Well we can't be sure either of those will definitely be true but I agree, Monaco is an important date each year.

 

[Zarlak]

I would love to see Monaco cut, it's a garbage race. Sometimes the best qualifying of the year followed by a 75 lap parade. But agree it will never happen. I would also love to see Paul Ricard cut.

 

[altodevil]

Monaco shouldn't be cut, it's steeped in history ffs. One tight, bad street race out of 20 isn't a problem. It's all these brand new tracks that have been badly designed that are the issue.

 

[Zarlak]

Monaco shouldn't be cut, it's steeped in history ffs. One tight, bad street race out of 20 isn't a problem. It's all these brand new tracks that have been badly designed that are the issue.

There are several races on the calendar that are bad, Monaco is just one of them. If they're not being cut, they should instead be improved. Nothing should get a free pass just because it's been around for a while that's terrible reasoning. Even though it's the way it will unfortunately absolutely go. The calendar should constantly be fresh and exciting not snooze inducing.

 

[F-Red]

Monaco shouldn't be cut, it's steeped in history ffs. One tight, bad street race out of 20 isn't a problem. It's all these brand new tracks that have been badly designed that are the issue.

Monaco pay the least out of all the promoters and the experience for the fans isn't optimal. The difference with other races is that in the new markets of the Far East and the USA that their versions of Monaco (Singapore & Las Vegas respectively) will return more for Liberty. The latter especially as Liberty are promoting the Las Vegas Grand Prix themselves.

Whilst it has the history, I don't think many would be that disappointed with it not being on the calendar. However part of me thinks that we'll hear more of this in the news as we get towards this years Grand Prix to put a rocket up the promoters in the discussion for an improved contract fee for Liberty.

 

[Sassy Colin]

I'd absolutely love it if they did. I can barely stand to watch it anymore but I know @Sassy Colin would be heartbroken if it was stopped.

Mind, going to maybe be a fair few Russians parked up in the marina next few years. Their boats might be (for sale even) but their money might not be around.

As a spectacle, it's a special race venue, but as a motor racing circuit, yes, it's a bit rubbish.

It's pretty iconic walking round the circuit though and it would be a shame if it wasn't on the calendar. After all, it's only 1 race out of 20 odd.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Monaco pay the least out of all the promoters and the experience for the fans isn't optimal. The difference with other races is that in the new markets of the Far East and the USA that their versions of Monaco (Singapore & Las Vegas respectively) will return more for Liberty. The latter especially as Liberty are promoting the Las Vegas Grand Prix themselves.

Whilst it has the history, I don't think many would be that disappointed with it not being on the calendar. However part of me thinks that we'll hear more of this in the news as we get towards this years Grand Prix to put a rocket up the promoters in the discussion for an improved contract fee for Liberty.

I think you might be wrong there.
Monaco has always been the highlight of the season.
Where has I agree history is not always the best reason to keep something, this is the exception.
Being part of the Motorsport Triple crown is a draw for the drivers, only one has done it Graham Hill, Alonso is the closest of the current driver, with Monaco and Le Mans under his belt.

 

[dinostar77]

Monaco pay the least out of all the promoters and the experience for the fans isn't optimal. The difference with other races is that in the new markets of the Far East and the USA that their versions of Monaco (Singapore & Las Vegas respectively) will return more for Liberty. The latter especially as Liberty are promoting the Las Vegas Grand Prix themselves.

Whilst it has the history, I don't think many would be that disappointed with it not being on the calendar. However part of me thinks that we'll hear more of this in the news as we get towards this years Grand Prix to put a rocket up the promoters in the discussion for an improved contract fee for Liberty.

As a F1 fan, i hate monaco, dull as dishwater to watch. I can see why drivers like it though.

About time Monaco paid a race fee like every other circuit, the days of bernie under charging monaco should be over. Pay up like every other circuit.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Here is a blast from the past, 1981 Las Vegas GP

What struck me was the almost total lack of safety, the pit lane was inches away from the crowd, the pit cree had no safety gear on , not even gloves.
Some parts of the track, if there had been a big crash the cars would have been in the crowd.
The track was appalling, not even the voice of Murray could make it sound exciting.
Tambay's accident (or the aftermath anyway) looks proper scary with the front of the car completely disintegrating!

 

[christy87]

I think you might be wrong there.
Monaco has always been the highlight of the season.
Where has I agree history is not always the best reason to keep something, this is the exception.
Being part of the Motorsport Triple crown is a draw for the drivers, only one has done it Graham Hill, Alonso is the closest of the current driver, with Monaco and Le Mans under his belt.

This, if F1 lost Monaco it would lose part of its self. It is the crown jewel in the F1 racing calendar, it may have got a bit more boring as the years have gone by, but you will still tune in and watch it.
Also I think this year's race will be interesting as the cars seem harder to control.

 

[V.O.]

Here is a blast from the past, 1981 Las Vegas GP

What struck me was the almost total lack of safety, the pit lane was inches away from the crowd, the pit cree had no safety gear on , not even gloves.
Some parts of the track, if there had been a big crash the cars would have been in the crowd.
The track was appalling, not even the voice of Murray could make it sound exciting.
Tambay's accident (or the aftermath anyway) looks proper scary with the front of the car completely disintegrating!

Impressive that the layout even manages to look boring:

Literally just two near-identical sections and a loop back around.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Not much improved in 1982 , there was a few more fences and straw bales.
There is a couple of corners, where if the drive has misjudged it , the car would have been in the crowd.
The 80's were a scary time for F1
This clip has the icon music and Walker and Hunt with the commentary.

 

[The Firestarter]

Impressive that the layout even manages to look boring:

Literally just two near-identical sections and a loop back around.

Seriously... I'd design a batter track by doodling in a boring algebra class...

 

[MarylandMUFan]

Not much improved in 1982 , there was a few more fences and straw bales.
There is a couple of corners, where if the drive has misjudged it , the car would have been in the crowd.
The 80's were a scary time for F1
This clip has the icon music and Walker and Hunt with the commentary.

Only benefit to that track is, as an in-person spectator, you can view the entire track.

 

[dinostar77]

This, if F1 lost Monaco it would lose part of its self. It is the crown jewel in the F1 racing calendar, it may have got a bit more boring as the years have gone by, but you will still tune in and watch it.
Also I think this year's race will be interesting as the cars seem harder to control.

Monaco GP has more viewers for qualifying than the actual race for a number of years. If it wasn't on the calender would we really miss it? There are plenty of street circuits on the calender now, Singapore is a better street circuit than monaco. Monaco is about "glitz and glamour" and all that pretentious superficial stuff. Racing is secondary.

 

[oates]

Not much improved in 1982 , there was a few more fences and straw bales.
There is a couple of corners, where if the drive has misjudged it , the car would have been in the crowd.
The 80's were a scary time for F1
This clip has the icon music and Walker and Hunt with the commentary.

Takes you back. Great teams such as Ken Tyrrell, dead 20plus years now.

 

[Pexbo]

Impressive that the layout even manages to look boring:

Literally just two near-identical sections and a loop back around.

From the country that is obsessed with this:

…I’d say that’s positively complex and exciting.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

This, if F1 lost Monaco it would lose part of its self. It is the crown jewel in the F1 racing calendar, it may have got a bit more boring as the years have gone by, but you will still tune in and watch it.
Also I think this year's race will be interesting as the cars seem harder to control.

Someone's been taken in by the F1 marketing speak.

Overall all though, I agree, Monaco needs to stay, it has pros and cons, but Monaco is something different to the other tracks.

 

[V.O.]

From the country that is obsessed with this:

…I’d say that’s positively complex and exciting.

That's fair. There is at least a little bit of 'having to turn right' involved in that Vegas track.

 

[RoadTrip]

From the country that is obsessed with this:

…I’d say that’s positively complex and exciting.

 

[mariachi-19]

From the country that is obsessed with this:

…I’d say that’s positively complex and exciting.

Watkins Glen hosted the us Gp for a number of years. Similarly Sonoma is a good course also.

Also anybody who thinks Monaco is going anywhere is deluded. It is

1. part of the triple crown
2. The most popular for elites in the sport including sponsors for marketing reasons
3. A part of f1 culture like Monza

Monza and Monaco are as important to f1 as Ferrari. They pay less than others because they don’t have to and f1 knows how valuable it is

 

[altodevil]

In my book:

Monaco, Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Suzuka

Are the untouchables. There are other great tracks, but those five are F1.

 

[Mike Smalling]

From the country that is obsessed with this:

…I’d say that’s positively complex and exciting.

"I'm gonna drive, I'm gonna go fast and I'm gonna turn to left sometimes!"

 

[Adam-Utd]

The issue with Monaco is the cars are just too big for that track now. They need to modify it somehow. Atleast back in the 60/70/80/90's the cars were small enough to actually get alongside and pass, that's near impossible now.

The skill and bravery required to drive around it as fast as possible is exciting, but the actual racing isn't.

I remember somebody on youtube (chainbear I think) mentioned the possibility of a joker lap style extension. If you're being held up by another car then you can take your joker lap (an extra part of the track that adds like +15 seconds) so that you can make up the time on the track. Eventually the person that was holding you up will be forced to take the joker lap too and you will overtake them.

They showed how in Monaco there is an extra part of the city they could use as the detour. I guess it just depends how much they want to jazz it up, or whether they're happy just having it as a booze up weekend.

I know the drivers enjoy driving it, but the race is all about qualifying and not crashing.

 

[Balljy]

The issue with Monaco is the cars are just too big for that track now. They need to modify it somehow. Atleast back in the 60/70/80/90's the cars were small enough to actually get alongside and pass, that's near impossible now.

The skill and bravery required to drive around it as fast as possible is exciting, but the actual racing isn't.

I remember somebody on youtube (chainbear I think) mentioned the possibility of a joker lap style extension. If you're being held up by another car then you can take your joker lap (an extra part of the track that adds like +15 seconds) so that you can make up the time on the track. Eventually the person that was holding you up will be forced to take the joker lap too and you will overtake them.

They showed how in Monaco there is an extra part of the city they could use as the detour. I guess it just depends how much they want to jazz it up, or whether they're happy just having it as a booze up weekend.

I know the drivers enjoy driving it, but the race is all about qualifying and not crashing.

How would the joker lap work in the event of a chain of cars, or is the idea everyone has to take that once a race? Under normal conditions that 15 seconds would mean being behind 6+ extra cars and potentially getting stuck behind slower cars.

Yeah, there's few ideas on possible adjustments to the course. I think the best one I've seen was an extension over the new land reclamation project to give a proper straight and an overtaking opportunity on the turn back to the old course. The track would divert before the tunnel into where the water is now and then rejoin the existing track which Prince Albert commented on a couple of years back.

The Logistical Maneuvers Behind F1's Most Famous Race, The Monaco Grand Prix (forbes.com)

 

[Adam-Utd]

How would the joker lap work in the event of a chain of cars, or is the idea everyone has to take that once a race? Under normal conditions that 15 seconds would mean being behind 6+ extra cars and potentially getting stuck behind slower cars.

Yeah, there's few ideas on possible adjustments to the course. I think the best one I've seen was an extension over the new land reclamation project to give a proper straight and an overtaking opportunity on the turn back to the old course. The track would divert before the tunnel into where the water is now and then rejoin the existing track which Prince Albert commented on a couple of years back.

The Logistical Maneuvers Behind F1's Most Famous Race, The Monaco Grand Prix (forbes.com)

Well if there is say 60 laps you could say you need to take 5 joker laps over the total GP. You could pick and choose when to take them, as long as you have done 5 before the end of the race.

That would give people flexibility in strategy, allow faster cars to get out of the train and make up time etc. I think it would introduce a much needed dynamic that would still give you the Monaco excitement, but a way to spice it up enough to keep it interesting.

 

[The Hilton]

Monaco is a lot like Old Trafford - it has a lot of history and prestige, but it's not really fit for purpose anymore.

Also similar is the way people are becoming more and more open to removing/replacing them. Eventually the Monaco GP organisers will have to make improvements to get people tuning in, or risk losing the race.

 

[Balljy]

Well if there is say 60 laps you could say you need to take 5 joker laps over the total GP. You could pick and choose when to take them, as long as you have done 5 before the end of the race.

That would give people flexibility in strategy, allow faster cars to get out of the train and make up time etc. I think it would introduce a much needed dynamic that would still give you the Monaco excitement, but a way to spice it up enough to keep it interesting.

That makes sense, basically 5 opportunities to find some space, and gain an advantage. It would definitely improve things, and it is tactically interesting rather than improving the racing I guess. As a short term fix it would be worth trying.

 

[Adam-Utd]

That makes sense, basically 5 opportunities to find some space, and gain an advantage. It would definitely improve things, and it is tactically interesting rather than improving the racing I guess. As a short term fix it would be worth trying.

Yep exactly. Say like last year for example, Hamilton had a bad qualifying and ended up 7th. He got completely held up by Gasly all race long and the only strategy call was the pit stop.

In this scenario he could take 2/3 of his joker laps in a row, end up at the back of the train and use up his tyres to make a massive time advantage, then pit back into clean air and hope for a safety car or wait for others to take their joker laps.

Other cars might react to Hamilton doing this and choose to copy/block him, but then that frees up space in the midfield for others to take advantage of.

It would make such a big difference IMO. The only stipulation i'd have is cars are unable to take the joker lap under safety cars/VSC to make it fair. That would also add another element of risk.

 

[Buster15]

Monaco is a lot like Old Trafford - it has a lot of history and prestige, but it's not really fit for purpose anymore.

Also similar is the way people are becoming more and more open to removing/replacing them. Eventually the Monaco GP organisers will have to make improvements to get people tuning in, or risk losing the race.

I have been to Monaco a number of times. And there is almost no scope for any meaningful changes. In fact it is amazing that they are able to do what they do.

To be fair, it used to have some quite exciting races. Senna and Mansell for example.
But nowadays, the cars are just too big and too reliable. And unless it rains, it normally is a procession.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I have been to Monaco a number of times. And there is almost no scope for any meaningful changes. In fact it is amazing that they are able to do what they do.

To be fair, it used to have some quite exciting races. Senna and Mansell for example.
But nowadays, the cars are just too big and too reliable. And unless it rains, it normally is a procession.

@Balljy where the idea came from

 

[Balljy]

I have been to Monaco a number of times. And there is almost no scope for any meaningful changes. In fact it is amazing that they are able to do what they do.

To be fair, it used to have some quite exciting races. Senna and Mansell for example.
But nowadays, the cars are just too big and too reliable. And unless it rains, it normally is a procession.

There's a new area being reclaimed from the sea which could potentially be used and is right next to the existing track. It's due to be open in 2025 (I believe the land is already reclaimed, but not available for use yet)

Monaco's $2.3bn project to expand into Mediterranean Sea - CNN Style