F1 2021 Season

Adam-Utd said:
@Wicked_Badger @Grib

just seen a video that confirms setup changes will be allowed after qualifying. only after the sprint race will full parc ferme come into effect
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hmm guess that kind of make sense, if sprint is kind of quali for the race

Just seems like if guys can set up for sprint quali and get themselves in pole it might via that then staying there in sprint race, might take a bit away.

Thought the whole point of parc ferme after quali was so teams had to make a decision on set up - go for a better race set up or one that gives you a better chance at grid position. Seems a bit counter intuitive but see what happens
 
Grib said:
hmm guess that kind of make sense, if sprint is kind of quali for the race

Just seems like if guys can set up for sprint quali and get themselves in pole it might via that then staying there in sprint race, might take a bit away.

Thought the whole point of parc ferme after quali was so teams had to make a decision on set up - go for a better race set up or one that gives you a better chance at grid position. Seems a bit counter intuitive but see what happens
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Honestly I don't see it being that popular, I think they'll change it after a while. It's not going to be exciting if Merc/red bull just romp away in the lead every time like the normal race.

I wish they did points for qualifying, then started reverse grid from that result. Have the fastest cars storm through the pack and encourage over taking, but also give the slower cars a chance to win something.

As long as they still give the main point hand out for the Sunday race which they can start with from with the qualy result, everybody should be happy.
 
Its just another gimmick, with Ecclestone's name all over it, just like the stuipd mini race for qualifying they tried for one race a few seasons ago.
The one part of F1 that did not need messing about with is qualifying, it works well as it is !
But lets give it a go, you never know it might actually work.
 
Adam-Utd said:
@Wicked_Badger @Grib

just seen a video that confirms setup changes will be allowed after qualifying. only after the sprint race will full parc ferme come into effect
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Makes sense, I guess! Still think that the two practice sessions should be on Friday with the quali, sprint & race over the weekend.

Agree with most others on here that I don’t think it’ll work. Worthwhile giving things a try though, better than them just changing the rules for the entire season and then finding out it’s shit & have to go back again (like that awful knock-out qualifying a few years back).
 
Adam-Utd said:
Honestly I don't see it being that popular, I think they'll change it after a while. It's not going to be exciting if Merc/red bull just romp away in the lead every time like the normal race.

I wish they did points for qualifying, then started reverse grid from that result. Have the fastest cars storm through the pack and encourage over taking, but also give the slower cars a chance to win something.

As long as they still give the main point hand out for the Sunday race which they can start with from with the qualy result, everybody should be happy.
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Not really that keen on artificially creating racing either though. They just need to bunch the cars up a bit (which they’ve managed this year pretty well) and make them much easier to follow without ruining the aero & tyres.

Quite hopeful that Ross Brawn & the rest of them are taking a more structured approach to achieving this than they ever did under Bernie. Would be great in a few years if we have 5/6 teams all capable of wins and podiums regularly. Much easier said than done though.
 
sun_tzu said:
Schumacher was hardly a charismatic chap either

Cant say Prost was... and Vettel whilst having some personality was burdened with that being the personality of an utter twunt

Ive not sen enough of fangio to say but it was such a different era its perhaps not a relavant example anyway, however, based on the recent evidence being a charismatic champion of the people seems to be rather detrimental to being a multi time f1 world champion (where who'd a thunk it but being simgle minded and focussed and caring more about winning that anything else seems to kinda help)
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Don't agree with that Schumacher didn't have charisma. Plus this new car era isn't helping one bit.
 
Wicked_Badger said:
Not really that keen on artificially creating racing either though. They just need to bunch the cars up a bit (which they’ve managed this year pretty well) and make them much easier to follow without ruining the aero & tyres.

Quite hopeful that Ross Brawn & the rest of them are taking a more structured approach to achieving this than they ever did under Bernie. Would be great in a few years if we have 5/6 teams all capable of wins and podiums regularly. Much easier said than done though.
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You'd hope with the aero rule changes next year that'll happen.

The issue again though is everybody starts from scratch, so the big boys will probably lead the pack again and everybody will take 2/3 years to catch up.

Right now it's the most competitive I can ever remember F1, it's almost a shame they're changing the rules again next year. I think this season could go down in history as one of the most exciting.

I'm not sure it would be artificial, but if they wanted "excitement" then i'm not sure seeing Red bull and Mercedes leap off into the lead and the rest trying to catch up will be. Making the likes of Hamilton/Verstappen weave through the pack to the front would.

I'm not sure if you're a BTCC fan, but seeing the likes of Ash Sutton start near the back and get to the front with 1/2 laps to spare is very exciting.
 
Portuguese Grand Prix FP
FP1 times


POSNODRIVERCARTIMEGAPLAPS
177Valtteri BottasMERCEDES1:19.64831
233Max VerstappenRED BULL RACING HONDA1:19.673+0.025s23
311Sergio PerezRED BULL RACING HONDA1:19.846+0.198s22
416Charles LeclercFERRARI1:19.884+0.236s27
544Lewis HamiltonMERCEDES1:19.967+0.319s32
610Pierre GaslyALPHATAURI HONDA1:20.444+0.796s31
763George RussellWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:20.529+0.881s29
84Lando NorrisMCLAREN MERCEDES1:20.635+0.987s26
955Carlos SainzFERRARI1:20.680+1.032s27
1031Esteban OconALPINE RENAULT1:20.800+1.152s27
1118Lance StrollASTON MARTIN MERCEDES1:20.894+1.246s29
123Daniel RicciardoMCLAREN MERCEDES1:20.995+1.347s31
1322Yuki TsunodaALPHATAURI HONDA1:21.090+1.442s28
1414Fernando AlonsoALPINE RENAULT1:21.303+1.655s31
157Kimi RäikkönenALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI1:21.381+1.733s25
165Sebastian VettelASTON MARTIN MERCEDES1:21.405+1.757s31
1798Callum IlottALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI1:21.806+2.158s21
1847Mick SchumacherHAAS FERRARI1:21.939+2.291s29
196Nicholas LatifiWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:22.293+2.645s29
209Nikita MazepinHAAS FERRARI1:24.224+4.576s29
 
FP2 times


POSNODRIVERCARTIMEGAPLAPS
144Lewis HamiltonMERCEDES1:19.83733
233Max VerstappenRED BULL RACING HONDA1:19.980+0.143s26
377Valtteri BottasMERCEDES1:20.181+0.344s28
455Carlos SainzFERRARI1:20.197+0.360s33
514Fernando AlonsoALPINE RENAULT1:20.220+0.383s32
631Esteban OconALPINE RENAULT1:20.235+0.398s31
716Charles LeclercFERRARI1:20.360+0.523s33
83Daniel RicciardoMCLAREN MERCEDES1:20.418+0.581s31
918Lance StrollASTON MARTIN MERCEDES1:20.427+0.590s31
1011Sergio PerezRED BULL RACING HONDA1:20.516+0.679s28
1110Pierre GaslyALPHATAURI HONDA1:20.558+0.721s34
124Lando NorrisMCLAREN MERCEDES1:20.757+0.920s28
1363George RussellWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:20.976+1.139s32
1422Yuki TsunodaALPHATAURI HONDA1:21.053+1.216s33
155Sebastian VettelASTON MARTIN MERCEDES1:21.074+1.237s32
167Kimi RäikkönenALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI1:21.225+1.388s22
1799Antonio GiovinazziALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI1:21.238+1.401s32
1847Mick SchumacherHAAS FERRARI1:21.537+1.700s29
196Nicholas LatifiWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:21.855+2.018s31
209Nikita MazepinHAAS FERRARI1:22.638+2.801s28
 
FP3 Timings


POSNODRIVERCARTIMEGAPLAPS
133Max VerstappenRED BULL RACING HONDA1:18.48921
244Lewis HamiltonMERCEDES1:18.725+0.236s21
377Valtteri BottasMERCEDES1:18.820+0.331s19
411Sergio PerezRED BULL RACING HONDA1:18.840+0.351s24
531Esteban OconALPINE RENAULT1:18.860+0.371s19
616Charles LeclercFERRARI1:19.001+0.512s23
755Carlos SainzFERRARI1:19.050+0.561s24
84Lando NorrisMCLAREN MERCEDES1:19.272+0.783s18
910Pierre GaslyALPHATAURI HONDA1:19.374+0.885s25
107Kimi RäikkönenALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI1:19.415+0.926s25
1122Yuki TsunodaALPHATAURI HONDA1:19.485+0.996s25
123Daniel RicciardoMCLAREN MERCEDES1:19.582+1.093s19
1399Antonio GiovinazziALFA ROMEO RACING FERRARI1:19.588+1.099s23
1414Fernando AlonsoALPINE RENAULT1:19.949+1.460s20
1547Mick SchumacherHAAS FERRARI1:20.033+1.544s21
1618Lance StrollASTON MARTIN MERCEDES1:20.090+1.601s17
1763George RussellWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:20.127+1.638s18
185Sebastian VettelASTON MARTIN MERCEDES1:20.214+1.725s21
196Nicholas LatifiWILLIAMS MERCEDES1:20.681+2.192s19
209Nikita MazepinHAAS FERRARI1:20.690+2.201s20
 
Lando is owning Danny at the moment, I’m sure Ric will get on top of it eventually but still
 
Untidy from Max again and Bottas goes on pole.

Wonder if Bottas will bottle it on the first corner, or leave it for a lap or two
 
Hammy gave that away to Bottas on the first run, the mediums clearly didn’t fire up on the second runs. Still suspect the wet lettuce will get gobbled up tomorrow.
 
Bottas leads a Mercedes 1-2. Boy did he need that. In the end Red Bull weren't that close, albeit in tricky conditions.
 
Maestro14 said:
Bottas leads a Mercedes 1-2. Boy did he need that. In the end Red Bull weren't that close, albeit in tricky conditions.
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They kind of were though, if Max didn’t go wide on his first run he’s on pole right now.
 
all of Bottas, Hamilton, Verstappen, Perez and Leclerc are starting on mediums tomorrow but Sainz in 5th is on softs. It will be interesting tomorrow.
 
Camilo said:
Well no, he'd have been considerably slower if he hadn't cheated.
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If anything I would say hoing slightly off made him slower. Don't think theres much in the cars. Just depends on the wind when you do your timed lap. Looks like it can swing you half a second if you get bad wind conditions on your flying lap. Bottas only car to go faster in q3 just shows you.
 
Max looked so disappointed after the qualifying. Could have made pole if it weren't for that mistake in turn 4. Still think it will be either him or Lewis finishing P1.

Shocker from Ric and Alonso there. At least Vettel made it to Q3 today.
 
ChaddyP said:
If anything I would say hoing slightly off made him slower. Don't think theres much in the cars. Just depends on the wind when you do your timed lap. Looks like it can swing you half a second if you get bad wind conditions on your flying lap. Bottas only car to go faster in q3 just shows you.
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yes, he lost time when he went wide.
 
Portuguese Grand Prix Qualifying Results
POSDRIVERQ1Q2Q3
1BOT1:18.7221:18.4581:18.348
2HAM1:18.8571:17.9681:18.355
3VER1:19.4851:18.6501:18.746
4PER1:19.3371:18.8451:18.890
5SAI1:19.3091:18.8131:19.039
6OCO1:19.0921:18.5861:19.042
7NOR1:18.7941:18.4811:19.116
8LEC1:19.3731:18.7691:19.306
9GAS1:19.4641:19.0521:19.475
10VET1:19.4031:18.9701:19.659
11RUS1:19.7971:19.109
12GIO1:19.4101:19.216
13ALO1:19.7281:19.456
14TSU1:19.6841:19.463
15RAI1:19.7481:19.812
16RIC1:19.839
17STR1:19.913
18LAT1:20.285
19MSC1:20.452
20MAZ1:20.912
 
Is the Haas this slow or is Mick Schumacher not all that? Or is it too early to judge either way?

Good qualification by Russell btw!
 
Cheimoon said:
Is the Haas this slow or is Mick Schumacher not all that? Or is it too early to judge either way?

Good qualification by Russell btw!
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The Haas is absolutely dreadful, but we all knew that this year.
 
Frustrating day again for Norris, he could have been yet again only .100 off pole.

Should be a good race tomorrow hopefully.
 
altodevil said:
eh?
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If you look at the Q2 times which were the quickest of the event, he was 3rd place.

Nobody went quicker in Q3 due to the increased wind, and he didn't get to do a proper lap due to being held up by Vettel
 
Adam-Utd said:
If you look at the Q2 times which were the quickest of the event, he was 3rd place.

Nobody went quicker in Q3 due to the increased wind, and he didn't get to do a proper lap due to being held up by Vettel
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Like you say though, not really comparable. I mean Hamilton was quicker than pole time in q2.
 
How hard is it to keep the races at a consistent time? I understand night races or time zone differences, but why move it back by one hour when it’s in Europe? Now its going to be tight whether it’s done before the football starts :lol:
 
altodevil said:
Like you say though, not really comparable. I mean Hamilton was quicker than pole time in q2.
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well yes, but if he was putting in similar times as the top 3 then there’s a good chance he was going to in q3 also. he’s definitely quicker than the 7th he ended up.
 
Difficult to say if Lando and Hamilton got a break in conditions and then they all faced similar worse conditions at the end of Q3. We should see in the race if Hamilton Lando and maybe Max can show their real pace. I'm expecting Ham to get past Bottas. Lando of course has shown to be very quick previously and mix it with the second drivers of Red Bull and Mercedes. Should be another good race to watch.
 
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