F1 2021 Season

:lol:Lied about it. So dramatic. Tbf I remember Seb inspecting cars but I don't remember seeing him poke them with his foot and actually grab others.
Are you trying to be worse staff member than Grinner?
 
Are you trying to be worse staff member than Grinner?
I don't know what that means, but I was just saying someone being wrong about something -eg Seb physically touching a car- may have been mistaken or not seen that footage, rather than deliberately lying about it, which was the case for me.
Not sure why you're getting your knickers in a twist about a fair statement.
 
I don't know what that means, but I was just saying someone being wrong about something -eg Seb physically touching a car- may have been mistaken or not seen that footage, rather than deliberately lying about it, which was the case for me.
Not sure why you're getting your knickers in a twist about a fair statement.
Exactly this... somewhat reinforced by having just read this prior to posting

Sebastian Vettel has been given the light-hearted nickname ‘Inspector Seb’ in recent years after plenty of photos and videos have emerged of him looking at other cars to see where his own can be improved, but he has stopped short of touching a rival car.

Which was from here

https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-verstappen-spotted-touching-lewis-hamilton-mercedes/
 
Stewards deemed that "no direct harm was caused" by Max Verstappen's actions but issued a fine as it is a breach of regulations. Says it "has potential for serious consequences" and has warned teams/drivers of future conduct.

Most important part.
So there can be only one consequence for Mercedes.
 
Are there any precedent fines to compare to? Given how much these guy make, it probably isn’t huge in the grand scheme of things.

Seems the intention is to set a precedent with this ruling i think

I.e. if somebody does this at a future gp they could get a far bigger penalty

“It is clear to the Stewards that it has become a habit of the drivers to touch cars after qualifying and the races. This was also the explanation of Verstappen, that it was simply habit to touch this area of the car which has been a point of speculation in recent races between both teams


“This general tendency has been seen as mostly harmless and so has not been uniformly policed. Nevertheless, it is a breach of the parc fermé regulation and has significant potential to cause harm.

“The stewards considering the fact that no direct harm was caused in this case, in the opinion of the stewards, and that no earlier precedent of penalties for this exists – on the one hand;
but that it is a breach of the regulation and has potential for serious consequences on the other, the stewards determine to take action in this case and order a fine of €50,000.

“The stewards further note that it is intended that all teams and drivers take notice that future breaches may incur different penalties from the stewards of those events.”
 
Correct decisions. On both counts

(Spare a thought for poor Seb though :wenger:)
 
So he starts sprint race from the back? Which means he will start the actual race near the back too - as he will not be able to make it up too far the grid, and then get his penalty. That’s the title I think. A shame, but if the rules were broken they were broken.
 
I do wonder whether this was 1 last hail mary from Mercedes. The silly thing is they seemed genuinely quick here, why would they need to cheat on a track they're doing well at?

Meh. It's max's title now. What an anti climax that is.
 
I do wonder whether this was 1 last hail mary from Mercedes. The silly thing is they seemed genuinely quick here, why would they need to cheat on a track they're doing well at?

Meh. It's max's title now. What an anti climax that is.
Honestly don't believe they tried to cheat, just doesn't make any sense for the reasons you mention.
 
I do wonder whether this was 1 last hail mary from Mercedes. The silly thing is they seemed genuinely quick here, why would they need to cheat on a track they're doing well at?

Meh. It's max's title now. What an anti climax that is.

I hope it wasn’t intentional. But I think there is still a lot of facts to come out of this.

What is interesting is Max must have either had an inkling, been told something, or it was just that obvious something was wrong, given he was looking at it.
 
So he starts sprint race from the back? Which means he will start the actual race near the back too - as he will not be able to make it up too far the grid, and then get his penalty. That’s the title I think. A shame, but if the rules were broken they were broken.
Will be fun to see how high he can climb through the race

Unlikely to be able to mount a challenge unless there is some rain and he just happens to get lucky with pit stop timings / strategy

It was probabky 90% maxs title before this... its now 99.9%... well deserved and hopefully the battle will continue next season between red bull and merc (or perhaps with the new regs somebody else can get in the mix with a brawn / double diffuser type of innovation)
 


Interesting that the stewards agreed it was an unintentional fault but still disqualified Lewis.

Also nice to see that Lewis wasn't trying to make a big deal out of Max's handsy investigation.

It's just a shame with the timing, Lewis had a slim (very slim) chance in the title fight before, but it's done and dusted now.
 
Not great for Mercedes, but with the way this season has played out so far you get a feeling it's not really 100% over for them yet. Many strange things can still happen.
 
Lewis has around 7% chance of winning, around 35% chance of podium and Max has around 20% chance of not finishing. Nothing is over.
 
The fine is confusing considering so many drivers do it. I guess they wanted to show they're punishing Max for something.

Shame so little time is left I bet Merc would have to change more engine parts or the whole thing.
 
The fine is confusing considering so many drivers do it. I guess they wanted to show they're punishing Max for something.

Shame so little time is left I bet Merc would have to change more engine parts or the whole thing.
Think they were really clear about the fine and also clear that now its 100% established drivers shouldn't do it they can potentially expect bigger punishments in future

“It is clear to the Stewards that it has become a habit of the drivers to touch cars after qualifying and the races. This was also the explanation of Verstappen, that it was simply habit to touch this area of the car which has been a point of speculation in recent races between both teams


“This general tendency has been seen as mostly harmless and so has not been uniformly policed. Nevertheless, it is a breach of the parc fermé regulation and has significant potential to cause harm.

“The stewards considering the fact that no direct harm was caused in this case, in the opinion of the stewards, and that no earlier precedent of penalties for this exists – on the one hand;
but that it is a breach of the regulation and has potential for serious consequences on the other, the stewards determine to take action in this case and order a fine of €50,000.


“The stewards further note that it is intended that all teams and drivers take notice that future breaches may incur different penalties from the stewards of those events.”
 
The shame is we likely won’t see it come down to the last couple of races, which always brings excitement just because anything can happen.

Sprint race is bollocks but this kind of weekend is the worst one to be going from the back, he’s going to drop 3 points before they even start the race.
 
So Lewis starts at the back for the sprint. If he gains say 5 places in the sprint he goes back to the back of the grid for the 5 place penalty? What a nightmare :lol:. Can he take any new parts now for "free"?