If yesterday's race was dull to you I can't help but feel you'd be better off watching another sport.
F1 2021 Season
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It's part why the sport is so interesting. You need engineering brilliance, driving talent and strategic thinking.
Its part of the reason i love F1 so much. I have no horse in the race and my eyes were glued to the tv wondering what would happen. 2 different strategies, 2 different types of drivers and 2 totally different style of cars coming head to head in the final laps. If you complaining about that then I really think the sport will never deliver for you
I dont think it was a complaint because it wasn't entertaining, as I pointed out in my first reply.
Otherwise I agree with you. It was a fantastic race in a very exciting season. So much happening, not only in the top 3.
There are multiple supporters of Max in the thread (some who just hate Lewis) who need that to be the narrative in order to make Max inevitably winning the championship more impressive than reality, which is that he's the fastest driver in the fastest car (which is still very impressive).
Still, its a thread that has had a poster list their 3 greatest drivers of all time as Schumacher, Senna, and Verstappen, so pretending the RB is slower is pretty tame in context.
Key question is which Schumacher?
I just think it's dull. I'd be all for a return to the 50s - no radios, no pitstops, no tyre changing or refuelling, just cars on track. Driver vs driver, no excesses, no excuses. Strategy and teamwork just muddy the waters.
Everybody knows it's Ralf, Bruno and Jos
Well based on their second drivers Merc is the quicker car (especially since many rate Perez as a better driver of the 2).
In my opinion Merc and Red Bull are tied, on one track Merc is quicker, on another Red Bull is quicker.
Given how unlucky Verstappen was during this season basically DNF-ing 3 times without doing anything wrong, racing against one of the best drivers of all time in as quick car as he is, winning a championship would be impressive without any doubt.
The second driver thing is a smokescreen, Bottas has had years to learn the Merc whereas Perez is in his first year in a car that's set up entirely for Max's driving style, which really doesn't suit him.
The Red Bull has been the faster car for the majority of the season, bar a few races. There's no shame in that, the best car always delivers the champion, and Max has driven it brilliantly bar a few overly impetuous moments.
Andretti Autosport has reportedly walked away from a deal to take a majority interest in Sauber, a move that has likely brought an end to the American motorsport enterprise's ambitions of entering F1, at least in the near term.
According to reports, Andretti was set to acquire an 80% stake in Islero Investments, the entity owned by Swedish Billionaire Finn Rausing which owns Sauber Motorsport and its prime asset, the Alfa Romeo F1 team.
The two parties had apparently agreed on a purchase price for the 80% holding in Islero. However, Rausing also reportedly sought a five-year $50m-a-year payment to guarantee Sauber's presence on the grid in F1 to counter any potential future shortfall in sponsorship.
It is believed that Andretti baulked at the latter demand which came late in the day during the negotiations between the two parties. The condition suddenly put an unrealistic and stratospheric valuation on the Swiss outfit as far as Andretti was concerned.
According to reports, Andretti was set to acquire an 80% stake in Islero Investments, the entity owned by Swedish Billionaire Finn Rausing which owns Sauber Motorsport and its prime asset, the Alfa Romeo F1 team.
The two parties had apparently agreed on a purchase price for the 80% holding in Islero. However, Rausing also reportedly sought a five-year $50m-a-year payment to guarantee Sauber's presence on the grid in F1 to counter any potential future shortfall in sponsorship.
It is believed that Andretti baulked at the latter demand which came late in the day during the negotiations between the two parties. The condition suddenly put an unrealistic and stratospheric valuation on the Swiss outfit as far as Andretti was concerned.
This is good and heartwarming. Lucky kids.
nice one
Good explanation for Andretti Sauber talks collapsed. The anti dilution clause running till 2025 is utterly stupid. I dint expect any new owners till 2026 at the earliest.
https://www.racefans.net/2021/10/31/why-the-timing-wasnt-right-for-an-andretti-alfa-romeo-f1-deal/
https://www.racefans.net/2021/10/31/why-the-timing-wasnt-right-for-an-andretti-alfa-romeo-f1-deal/
Will be interesting to see what audi do... perhaps enter as an engine partner first with a view to buying a team and running as porshe / audi from 2026?
Some more explanation of next years aero.
Cringe....
Really interesting insights into the 2022 F1 regulations and their potential effects. Even more interesting is going to be how the teams push the boundaries in order to maximise the opportunities.
Why cringe. It was all about the children, not Lewis Hamilton.
You only have to look at their faces to see the effect on them.
Why do we always criticise attempts to inspire the next generation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/59125551
Still pushing the sprint format, I think in general fans overwhelmingly hate it so good of them to listen.
Still pushing the sprint format, I think in general fans overwhelmingly hate it so good of them to listen.
Seriously the drivers should revolt over this. Its terrible in any imaginable way.
To be fair, I think Brawn acknowledges that they have got a lot wrong with the format and some of the quotes in the article go some ay to improving the idea.
Removing the idea of the sprint race being for position in the main race and even reverse-grid in the long term would make it more sustainable. My main problem with it was how it affected the main race - it should be an event on its own.
Removing the idea of the sprint race being for position in the main race and even reverse-grid in the long term would make it more sustainable. My main problem with it was how it affected the main race - it should be an event on its own.
when verstappen blacked up it was a big deal but it’s fine when lewis does it. typical british fans.
Bingo. at least they’re listening, this would be a lot better.
points across top 10
no relevance to the race itself, just let them go at it for points and an award.
i’d feel a lot more comfortable with that.
Doing a sprint race with the reverse grid from the seasons standings would be amazing. (Could use average qualification position for ties.) No-one would want to game that and it would mean chances for the smaller teams of points and lots of action of the big names overtaking their way forwards from the back.
The recent F1 poll that had max as most popular with under 35's or something also showed only 6% were in favour of the god awful sprint races.
Maybe next years aero will make sprint races less dull?
Exactly, show them that maybe they too can grow up to become rich and famous and shelter all their money overseas to avoid paying taxes in their own country.
loooooooooolz the vid was nice
With respect, it was nothing at all like that. But you must think what you must think.
white texted
He had the faster computer but I am the faster typer. Otherwise I would've won the white text race.Not seen one executed in the F1 thread for some time, well done.
They should leave qualifying alone - the standard 3 session format is perfect.
If they wanted to do gimmicks, a better way would be to give 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 points for 'qualifying', then start every race as reverse grid.
If they wanted to do gimmicks, a better way would be to give 10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 points for 'qualifying', then start every race as reverse grid.
I'd make one change to qualifying. The tyres for Q3 (your fastest lap) are the ones you start the race with. That would put the cat amongst the pigeons. Do you go for grid slot on SOFTS or think about the race and less stops and go for MEDIUMS etc.
Top teams would hate the idea.
Top teams would hate the idea.
What about the driver who can set the longest tyre burn outs get pole
That used to be how it worked.
Longest continuous donuts before suffering a blowout gets 5 bonus points.
Mexican GP FP 1
Mexico City Practice One Timesheet
| Driver | Team | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 1) Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | 1:18.341 |
| 2) Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | +0.076 |
| 3) Max Verstappen | Red Bull | +0.123 |
| 4) Sergio Perez | Red Bull | +0.269 |
| 5) Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri | +0.644 |
| 6) Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | +1.122 |
| 7) Fernando Alonso | Alpine | +1.315 |
| 8) Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | +1.326 |
| 9) Esteban Ocon | Alpine | +1.418 |
| 10) Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin | +1.517 |
| 11) Yuki Tsunoda | AlphaTauri | +1.670 |
| 12) Kimi Raikkonen | Alfa Romeo | +1.685 |
| 13) Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | +1.689 |
| 14) Daniel Ricciardo | McLaren | +1.932 |
| 15) Lando Norris | McLaren | +1.960 |
| 16) Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo | +2.003 |
| 17) George Russell | Williams | +2.176 |
| 18) Nicholas Latifi | Williams | +3.239 |
| 19) Mick Schumacher | Haas | +3.803 |
| 20) Nikita Mazepin | Haas | +4.478 |
What is cringe about it ?
Would it have been cringe if it was Max doing it ?
I really dont understand posts like this, just look at the kids faces to see how much it meant to them.
Or is it you just dont like seeing Lewis doing something good !