F1 2019 season

I think Vettel did very well to recover and the decision is ridiculous. Having watched 20+ years of F1 I think this version is the worst I've ever seen.
Worse even than the Ferrari domination during the 2000s.
 
Not sure why Brundle keeps saying Lewis has a brake pedal as well, it’s really not the issue at hand. Hamilton went for a gap, what else will he do?
 
NK86 said:
Weren't they saying they will take up the matter immediately after the incident?
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Taking up the matter & goading are two very different ways of discussing with the stewards, the commentators were saying that if they were a team principal they would be pushing for every advantage. My point was, you have no clue if they were goading as the discussion between the teams & the FIA are strictly off limits for everyone bar those two parties.
 
F-Red said:
I think the point from the FIA will be that he had no control, he oversteered as his car hit the tarmac.
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Realistically though, if he didn’t make the mistake he wouldn’t have had to go on the grass in the first place so there wouldn’t be any issue of oversteering or loss of control. He did end up coming back in in the racing line so unfortunately a 5 second penalty is correct for me. I think Lewis would have stayed with him if it didn’t happen and may have had a better opportunity to overtake.

On a different note I was being a bit of a cnut and cheering on Leclerc at the end as he was gaining a second a lap which was interesting.
 
That's a bad decision. Vettel's actions afterwards were understandable in the heat of the moment. The solution is to bring back gravel traps really.
 
ArmchairCritic said:
If you want a driver's off track excursions to be 'punished' then yeah.
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Gravel traps are dangerous, not only for drivers but for fans also. Less grip than tarmac, and higher risk of cars flipping. We don't need them back in the sport.

Grass works just fine. The issue here is the driver, not the circuit.
 
In this situation I’d much rather the punishment was to let Hamilton through like you would if you overtook someone by cutting a corner, at least then you would still end up with a race rather than Hamilton being able to just chill behind safely knowing he’s on for the win
 
NK86 said:
Mercedes were goading the stewards to penalize Seb. They are within their rights but then so is the crowd to boo their poster boy.
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Mercedes were goading the stewards.
Oh yes of course the stewards do exactly what Mercedes ask them to do...
What absolute rubbish some people post.
 
Seb said that he was lucky not to hit the wall.; so if he had any less control he hits the wall and is overtaken; a little more control, he stays left, lewis doesn't brake and gets past
So the only way lewis doesn't get past is if seb rejoins in such a way that lewis has to brake to avoid him, which is what happened no?
 
Snowle Gunnar Solskjær said:
In this situation I’d much rather the punishment was to let Hamilton through like you would if you overtook someone by cutting a corner, at least then you would still end up with a race rather than Hamilton being able to just chill behind safely knowing he’s on for the win
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Very fair point.
 
Snowle Gunnar Solskjær said:
In this situation I’d much rather the punishment was to let Hamilton through like you would if you overtook someone by cutting a corner, at least then you would still end up with a race rather than Hamilton being able to just chill behind safely knowing he’s on for the win
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Totally agree here as well.
 
Joke of a penalty. Hamilton did the exact same to Ricciardo at Monaco 2016 and got nothing.
 
Buster15 said:
Why?
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At the time I posted I had the feeling the stewards felt Vettel should be punished more for going off track, a gravel trap would have slowed him further and would never have let him rejoin at such a speed. However on reflection a gravel trap might have also sent him skidding into Lewis. A throwaway comment, nothing more.
 
What we can all agree on is that Bottas doesn't have the balls on him to challenge for a world title.
He shied away from overtaking Ricciardo for about 6 or 7 laps until his engineer had to come on the radio and tell him to get a move on
 
I’m not an F1 expert by any means, but the way I looked at this was Vettel made the mistake and Hamilton was punished for it because he had to brake hard, lost the chance to overtake, lost the DRS gap and probably put a bit more heat into his brakes. It seems equitable to me that the driver that makes the mistake is the one who should be penalised.
 
F1 is a joke. I have half a mind to stop watching. Vettel was robbed.
 
slyadams said:
I’m not an F1 expert by any means, but the way I looked at this was Vettel made the mistake and Hamilton was punished for it because he had to brake hard, lost the chance to overtake, lost the DRS gap and probably put a bit more heat into his brakes. It seems equitable to me that the driver that makes the mistake is the one who should be penalised.
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You haven't go-carted either have you? A driver going off the track is part of racing. Louis went for a gap that wasn't there. The FIA is protecting him more than they protected Ferrari with Schumacher. The sport is a joke and is dying
 
NM said:
You haven't go-carted either have you? A driver going off the track is part of racing. Louis went for a gap that wasn't there. The FIA is protecting him more than they protected Ferrari with Schumacher. The sport is a joke and is dying
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Ffs. He made a split decision not really knowing where Vettel was going to move to and it was an unfortunate one as there was no time for either of them. It was just bad luck that the incident was created. Not Lewis’ fault and not a penalty. Was ridiculous that he was getting booed but people will use any excuse to hate him.
 
SilentWitness said:
Ffs. He made a split decision not really knowing where Vettel was going to move to and it was an unfortunate one as there was no time for either of them. It was just bad luck that the incident was created. Not Lewis’ fault and not a penalty. Was ridiculous that he was getting booed but people will use any excuse to hate him.
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Agree with your post 100%. No penalty for Vettel, and of course Hamilton did nothing wrong. Racers go for gaps that aren't there all the time. The new F1 with penalties for everything and drivers bitching on radio is tedious. I stopped watching from about 2010- last year, and I might stop again. Louis is an all time great, but if he did the same thing Vettel did, he wouldn't be penalized... He doesn't need that help.
 
For me, it seems harsh.

But a big part of me thinks that Vettel turned into Hamilton to block the way. It’s that cheeky move to the right.

At that point he had re-established grip on the track. That move was purely because he knew Hamilton could get past unless he blocked the track off.

So, perhaps not that harsh.
 
I predict that Hamilton and Mercedes will get viciously booed in the next few races.

Obviously not Silverstone as its Lewis’ home race, but I expect some proper abuse everywhere else.
 
NM said:
You haven't go-carted either have you? A driver going off the track is part of racing. Louis went for a gap that wasn't there. The FIA is protecting him more than they protected Ferrari with Schumacher. The sport is a joke and is dying
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Not a huge amount, but if that was a chicane wouldn’t Vettel have been penalised for leaving the track and gaining an advantage?
 
Tense race. Shame it was decided like it was.

Vettel made a mistake & got punished, like you should for making a mistake in any elite sport. Penalties have been handed out previously for unsafe rejoining of the track & I think this was just about fair (although I prefer the penalty of having to give the place to Hamilton and carry on, like a poster mentioned above).

If it’d been the other way around, the same penalty would have been given. Ferrari would have been on to the race director & Vettel would have complained. It’s just how F1 works, all parties are whiny bitches.

The shenanigans at the end were great though. Proper box office stuff.
 
slyadams said:
Not a huge amount, but if that was a chicane wouldn’t Vettel have been penalised for leaving the track and gaining an advantage?
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There's a difference between out-breaking yourself and the rear end going.. Not really the same thing, and no he wouldn't because he was far enough ahead IMO.
 
Probably harsh on Seb but he's shown again that when you put him under pressure he will make errors and give away the race. Hard to see what Lewis was supposed to do in that situation, Seb came across the track and if Hamilton doesn't brake as hard as he does, there would have been a crash and probably both of them out of the race. The theatrics at the end of the race were a bit of a disgrace though thoroughly entertaining.
 
I'm a Ferrari fan, so obviously I'm sad about the result. But we wouldn't even be having this conversation if Vettel hadn't made another fecking mistake. He cant handle the pressure. In Bahrain he would have probably won if not for the spin. Last year he made mistakes galore. Also in 2017. I'm really annoyed with him tbh. Fernando Alonso would had certainly won the title last year driving that Ferrari.
 
Very harsh decision even though Vettel made another mistake. I suppose the key factor was Hamilton having to slam on the brakes so Vettel gained an advantage?

Will Vettel bounce back or crumble more?
 
Buster15 said:
Mercedes were goading the stewards.
Oh yes of course the stewards do exactly what Mercedes ask them to do...
What absolute rubbish some people post.
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I understand you all absolutely adore Lewis and goading was the wrong word, however the penalty was totally the wrong call and it all started with Lewis whining on the radio as usual. Then at the end, he tries to sound magnanimous and says that's not how he wanted the win. That is the absolute bs for which I have never liked him. Talks like he is this moral champion but he will cut every corner, just like almost every other driver, to win. Nothing wrong with that but then don't pretend as if it was gutting to win like this.
 
Such a shame. Arguably one of the strongest field of drivers across the board in F1 history (imho of course) - and we don't get to see who is legitimately the best driver bc of all the fkin rules. I never thought I'd consider Indycar to be more exciting but nowadays it probably is.
 
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