F1 2019 season

Infordin said:
It's one of the reasons why the sport is dying.
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I'd argue the inconsistency is what's making it more frustrating, the sport is dying because of it sitting behind pay-wall TV. Get it on free to air and the popularity increases, money pumps back into the sport via sponsors and funds development for the smaller teams to bridge the gap.

Interesting view point on that topic from Kimi - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/139861/raikkonen-tough-penalties-would-stop-tupidity
 
mariachi-19 said:
You mean some of us that have actually driven a car or motorbike at a reasonable level and understand the actual characteristics of how a car handles or reacts over fecking grass. feck, get on a simulator and tell me you'd have done what Seb did any differently. I dont need anybody on this forum lecturing me how a vehicle operates. In fact, I dont even need a steward who probably has an even less understanding than me to make that decision when I know he's wrong.
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Wow
 
F-Red said:
Bit of a tired rhetoric that. Sky, who fit firmly in a pro-Hamilton, Mercedes camp, and arguably the biggest media house on F1 in the UK, were unequivocally in favour of Vettel.
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You're wrong. Sky are hoping for a competitive season. They are dying for Ferrari or Red Bull to start winning races. They want to have something other than another Mercedes 1,2 to talk about.
 
I agree with earlier posters. If I understand it correctly, the incident doesn't occur if Vettel doesn't make the initial mistake. Its becoming a running theme with Vettel - he cracks under pressure. I am also not sure why the crowd boo'ed Hamilton - he didn't make the decision?!
 
0le said:
I agree with earlier posters. If I understand it correctly, the incident doesn't occur if Vettel doesn't make the initial mistake. Its becoming a running theme with Vettel - he cracks under pressure. I am also not sure why the crowd boo'ed Hamilton - he didn't make the decision?!
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I imagine most reasonable people realise that Vettel was at fault and as a result of poor driving resulted in Hamilton losing time on him.
The 5 second penalty killed the race a bit though and was overkill. Vettel should have just been told to let Hamilton pass and let them race.
Knowing Vettel he’d have stuck it into the wall a lap later regardless.
 
Buster15 said:
What a thoroughly stupid thing to say.
It has absolutely nothing to do with whether you are English or fans of Hamilton or his team.
It has everything to do with implementation of the rules of the sport.
The only reason there wasn't a serious accident was down to Lewis Hamilton being able to control his car while Vettel was yet again unable to control his.
It is about time that people stuck to the facts and not let their emotions get in the way of reason.
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least said about this the better.

F-Red said:
I could hear the keys being hammered here as i read that reply. Reasonable level of driving? You obviously weren't that good if you know how a car handles on grass as most racers tend to stick to the tarmac.

I think i'll trust the judgement of the steward Emanuele Pirro, who has started 37 F1 races, and has won Le Mans five times over the internet 'grass experts'. No offence.



Of course he would, why wouldn't he?
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:lol: this guy is happy to trust the judgement of Emmuelle Pirro but at the same time totally disregard the opinion of the majority of other former drivers.
tells you all you need to know.
Then again maybe he is a grass expert. :rolleyes:
 
Looking back at the Monaco Grand Prix with Verstappen getting that 5 second penalty for an unsafe release in the pit lane and Giovinazzi getting 10 seconds for causing the incident at rascasse. I thought it was odd that those penalties were given considering Verstappens seemed alot worse than Giovinazzis and he actually caused damage meaning Bottas had to pit again. Do they have to justify the penalties afterwards in press conferences or anything?
 
Fernando Alonso has won the Le Mans 24 Hours for the second consecutive year alongside Toyota team-mates Sebastien Buemi and Kazuki Nakajima.

The Spanish double Formula 1 world champion's number eight car crew, who took the lead with an hour to go, were also crowned world endurance champions.

Alonso, 37, shared the car with fellow former F1 drivers Buemi and Nakajima.

It was a one-two for Toyota with their number seven TS050 hybrid, featuring Britain's Mike Conway, in second place.

The number seven car, also crewed by Kamui Kobayashi and Jose Maria Lopez, led for much of the race before two late punctures.

"I think car seven was quicker than us for 24 hours, they really deserved the victory but today the luck decided that we have to take the trophy," Alonso told Eurosport.

"Luck sometimes plays an important part in motorsport and today we feel extremely lucky and maybe we don't deserve it but we take it."

The number eight car crossed the line 17 seconds clear of the pole-sitting seven car after 385 laps of the 8.467-mile circuit.

Stoffel Vandoorne - Alonso's former McLaren F1 team-mate - was part of the third-placed team in the number 11 SMP Racing BR Engineering car.

Before last year, Toyota had never won the sportscar race despite years of trying.

Alonso has been chasing motorsport's 'triple crown' of victories at Le Mans, the Monaco Grand Prix and the Indianapolis 500.

Twice a Monaco Grand Prix winner, he failed to qualify for this year's Indy 500 and the American classic remains the only victory to elude him.

Only Englishman Graham Hill has won all three classic races in the history of motorsport.

Alonso has said he will leave the the World Endurance Championship after the end of the season.

He tested a Dakar Rally-winning Toyota Hilux in March and has been linked with an attempt at the iconic desert-based endurance event in 2020.
 
mariachi-19 said:
You mean some of us that have actually driven a car or motorbike at a reasonable level and understand the actual characteristics of how a car handles or reacts over fecking grass. feck, get on a simulator and tell me you'd have done what Seb did any differently. I dont need anybody on this forum lecturing me how a vehicle operates. In fact, I dont even need a steward who probably has an even less understanding than me to make that decision when I know he's wrong.
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Some of the replies to this car crash of a post (pun intended), are great.
 
I hope Alonso does something serious in 2020, if he's still racing I'd like to actually watch him do a full season. Just go to Indy Car for a season Nando, full Mansell style it.
 
Leg-End said:
I hope Alonso does something serious in 2020, if he's still racing I'd like to actually watch him do a full season. Just go to Indy Car for a season Nando, full Mansell style it.
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He did a full season of WEC this year but that series is a nighmare to try and follow because it doesn't run over calendar years. That and LMP1 is a shit show.
 
mariachi-19 said:
He did a full season of WEC this year but that series is a nighmare to try and follow because it doesn't run over calendar years. That and LMP1 is a shit show.
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Exactly, obviously he's a champion again and I'm not disregarding it as a non-serious series but I want to see him race in open wheelers where he belongs at this stage of his career.
 
You should be happy Seb after newlyweed. Jeez.... :wenger:
Lewis just kill it yet again. What a lap there.
And McLaren really bring it this year.
Renault :lol:
 
Good stuff from Mclaren, taken them a few years but looks the hard work might just pay off.
 
hp88 said:
Good stuff from Mclaren, taken them a few years but looks the hard work might just pay off.
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Yep, they're making some great steps forward. It seems like getting rid of some of the dead wood and putting James Key in place is having the desired effect.
 
F-Red said:
Yep, they're making some great steps forward. It seems like getting rid of some of the dead wood and putting James Key in place is having the desired effect.
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Harsh on Fred :lol: white text

But yes, something has definitely changed for the better this year and with Seidl and Key, there's a feeling of optimism that hasn't been there since Merc left. Gonna be a tough ask to ever get back to winning titles without manufacturer backing, but I can still dream of the odd race win (though probably not till the rule change).
 
That was easy from Lewis and Bottas 0.6 ahead of Leclerc in 3rd is huge.
What has happened to Seb ? 7th in Q3 was dreadful, problem with his car ?
Dont see anything other than a Merc 1 , 2 with the battle beng for 3rd.
 
Fully Fledged said:
You're wrong. Sky are hoping for a competitive season. They are dying for Ferrari or Red Bull to start winning races. They want to have something other than another Mercedes 1,2 to talk about.
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Quite. And now nearly everyone is talking or on social media airing their views on the Vettel penalty.
F1 has got loads of extra publicity as a result.
Now. If the same had happened to Lewis Hamilton, he would have driven extra fast in the French GP Qualification.
Instead Vettel is in 7th place and Hamilton qualified on pole.
 
RedFish said:
I'm excited to see Mclaren seemingly back in the mix if not yet, at the sharp end of the grid. As much as I enjoy Lewis at the front, I don't feel anything at all for Mercedes.
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Much the same for me as well.
Fantastic to see how well Norris is doing after the awful luck in the last two races.
 
Buster15 said:
Quite. And now nearly everyone is talking or on social media airing their views on the Vettel penalty.
F1 has got loads of extra publicity as a result.
Now. If the same had happened to Lewis Hamilton, he would have driven extra fast in the French GP Qualification.
Instead Vettel is in 7th place and Hamilton qualified on pole.
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I agree. I can't believe how badly Vettel lost it in Canada. Whether he was right or wrong about the penalty he should suck it up and move to the next race.
 
Buster15 said:
Quite. And now nearly everyone is talking or on social media airing their views on the Vettel penalty.
F1 has got loads of extra publicity as a result.
Now. If the same had happened to Lewis Hamilton, he would have driven extra fast in the French GP Qualification.
Instead Vettel is in 7th place and Hamilton qualified on pole.
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It helps when you have the best car on the grid...

Oh and I wouldnt be surprised if Seb does a Prost and walks away at the end of the season.

I think for the most part, unless you're Mercedes, f1 and the fans are disillusioned with the current state of the sport. During the Schumacher dominance, F1 did their best to try and curb the advantage he and Ferrari had (2005) and then the massive rule changes in 2006 which aside from 2002 and 2004, kept them in touch with everybody. F1 have done 3 5ths of feck all since that Mercedes engine rolled out of the truck in 2014 (which started them off with a massive advantage) to try and make the series competitive and fans are now leaving the sport in large numbers.

The biggest spectacle of the weekend is qualifying and once thats done, the races are usually a pile of shit.
 
Buster15 said:
Much the same for me as well.
Fantastic to see how well Norris is doing after the awful luck in the last two races.
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Agreed. I've really taken to Norris. I think I'll end up supporting him as I have Lewis all these years. Good to have someone to really support, when Lewis eventually does call it a day.
 
Mercedes are such a strong team that’s the issue, if you threw this ruleset away and everyone started from scratch again they would just as likely be dominant again because they have an amazing team.

If the rules aren’t going to change then the other teams need to work out how to start pulling them apart through recruitment. Mercedes have kept key personnel in key positions for years and it’s paying off continually.
 
Leg-End said:
Mercedes are such a strong team that’s the issue, if you threw this ruleset away and everyone started from scratch again they would just as likely be dominant again because they have an amazing team.

If the rules aren’t going to change then the other teams need to work out how to start pulling them apart through recruitment. Mercedes have kept key personnel in key positions for years and it’s paying off continually.
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But this is also related to budget. Only Ferrari can compete at that same level of spending, so if they falter as they tend to, it's gonna take something truly special from the others to make the leap. They can employ more factory bods and scoop up the best talent at the top. If prime Newey was around now (i.e. not the one that really just wants to be left to design yachts), they'd get him.

This isn't taking anything away from them, they are a great example of a high budget being put to the greatest possible performance. But their advantage is structural and without greater budget control, or other big manufacturers entering with a big chequebook and an uncompromising will to win, merely picking off some of their technical team isn't going to cut it.
 
I totally agree, to truly impact the sport the rules need to be changed on and off the circuit.

What’s hurting right now is the drop off in performance from the likes of McLaren, Renault and to a lesser extent Red Bull. The biggest failure is if they get these regulations changes wrong to the point the order doesn’t really change then they will disillusion a portion of fan base but like I said it could just as easily end up with a Mercedes car winning even if they get it right!
 
nearly lights out.
First corner is going to be interesting.
I agree that rules need to change, but I doubt the FIA will see it.
Money is the big issue, just like football the big teams have all the money , they can develop the best cars , is the answer making them all use the same car, I dont know.
 
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