F1 2010

Redlambs said:
Oh dear, you've not been reading the last two pages of this thread have you?




It means when the shuttle craft can't enter the atmosphere, Hamilton and co can be beamed down via the teleporters.

Duh!
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Excuse me?

What they've said is that when you want to skip to sector 1/2/3 from the pits they transport your car to the specific part of the track.

They also said that they have the ability to teleport other cars if they're outside of the world. They've admited theres a bug that occurs that forces cars to teleport occassionally.

Cant see anything wrong with that personally. As long as they fix the issue then i'm perfectly happy.
 
zain said:
Is there any tip guide or anything out there for people who have not played F1 games in ages and cannot do anything but spin off almost on every lap and just absolutely suck at this game?
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Adjust your car set up. Google should be able to help you decide which tracks is more dependent on downforce than others and so on. It's fairly basic, the adjustment that you can make in this game.
 
RedSky At Night said:
Excuse me?

What they've said is that when you want to skip to sector 1/2/3 from the pits they transport your car to the specific part of the track.

They also said that they have the ability to teleport other cars if they're outside of the world. They've admited theres a bug that occurs that forces cars to teleport occassionally.

Cant see anything wrong with that personally. As long as they fix the issue then i'm perfectly happy.
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That whole post from them is loaded with rubbish to appease. The 'teleportation' thing is funny because of the 'teleport' part (this isn't Star Trek). It's a load of nonsense that they want to make seem like it's clever, when really it's a standard thing - another one they've screwed up basically ;)

Again, they can fix minor bugs with car's occasionally flying about (which I personally haven't seen on mine), but no matter what they can't fix the qualifying with a patch because of this 'teleportation' system and the 'football manager' style way which it's pre-determined.
 
No matter this game is very good. Not sure what you were expecting if you think otherwise.

Of course the bugs should not be there but online there are no bugs.

That's is what keeps games going and it is fantastic against other racers.

Graphics are top notch.

Sound is top notch.

Some sim elements like tire wear and fuel are done much better than I expected for a CM game. The rules on corner cutting for online work well, not seen many exploits which is key for online racing.

A couple people said shown their hand on here way before it was released so its not surprising they keep going on about the 'issues' ignoring the vast amount this game nails.

I'm not here to PR this game I enjoy it, I just thought it fair to balance this thread out to people who don't have the game. It is done very well and the metacritic score is about right in my opinion.

loads of us have had great nights online which for anyone who plays online should take a look at.
 
DFreshKing said:
No matter this game is very good. Not sure what you were expecting if you think otherwise.
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£30-£40 for an unfinished product?


Of course the bugs should not be there but online there are no bugs.

That's is what keeps games going and it is fantastic against other racers.
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Sod all those who bought it expecting a decent GP career huh?


Graphics are top notch.

Sound is top notch.
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Apart from the lighting issues, I have no argument with this.


Some sim elements like tire wear and fuel are done much better than I expected for a CM game.
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Except they only affect the player.


The rules on corner cutting for online work well, not seen many exploits which is key for online racing.
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I agree.


A couple people said shown their hand on here way before it was released so its not surprising they keep going on about the 'issues' ignoring the vast amount this game nails.
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I'm not one of those people am I. Yet I bought the game and it's clearly an unfinished rip off.


I'm not here to PR this game I enjoy it, I just thought it fair to balance this thread out to people who don't have the game. It is done very well and the metacritic score is about right in my opinion.
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Balancing it out is again bang on and I agree with you here. I've said many times the stuff it does well, and there is plenty to have fun with. I bought this game and wanted it to be as good as it looks, and in some aspects it is. I must say I'm still putting in the hours on it too :D

However, when you start to get good at it and really want to play it you begin to notice all the issues that are there (not just random bugs, I'm talking things that are they from the off), then I find it really hard to beable to recommend people go out and buy this game in it's current state - simply because you don't expect to spend money on a product only to find it half finished.


loads of us have had great nights online which for anyone who plays online should take a look at.
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Unfortunately I don't have a live account, otherwise I would. I haven't commented at all about the online side, because I've not played it (and I never go off other people's opinions as my own). I can, however, imagine it is great fun!
 
I wouldn't be that harsh and say its unfinished. It like every game I have ever played it has a couple of bugs.

Not that bad. You don't like the design choice for quali, fair enough but its a timetrail so they use pre decided times, not a game breaker. AI does use tire and fuel sim as they have reapeatly mentioned.

If you don't agree fair enough, but you have not got conclusive proof.

The jokes you lot have going about his time warp comments are just that jokes.

You have not played a massive portion of the game (online) you are right not to take my opinion but until you play it how can you say the games half finished? Only your judgement is half finished because you have not played half the game.

No mate I did not include you on the pre judge, you have just gone full circle in this thread going from loving it to hating it in the space of a few days. :lol:

If you had the full experience of the game and went online I doubt you would be so against it.
 
DFreshKing said:
I wouldn't be that harsh and say its unfinished. It like every game I have ever played it ahs a couple of bugs.
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A couple?


Not that bad. You don't like the design choice for quali, fair enough but its a timetrail so they use pre decided times, not a game breaker.
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No, it wasn't a design choice from the start at all. They did it because their shit A.I and physics system couldn't pull it off, so made up an excuse to basically bodge it. Who in their right mind would want to ruin the major part of an F1 weekend by faking it?


AI does use tire and fuel sim as they have reapeatly mentioned.
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No, it doesn't at all. You can prove this by turning the game to it's hardest setting and starting a race. Then after the first corner, come out of the race, turn fuel off and then start again. Watch the difference.

Then race again and barge cars off the track (into gravel) when you can, slow down and watch the racing lines they still use. Later in races, watch the lines they use. When you barge one off it's racing line, watch how it barges back in a seemingly desperate bid to get back onto it's racing line.


If you don't agree fair enough, but you have not got conclusive proof.
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:lol: See above.


The jokes you lot have going about his time warp comments are just that jokes.
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Well duh!


You have not played a massive portion of the game (online) you are right not to take my opinion but until you play it how can you say the games half finished? Only your judgement is half finished because you have not played half the game.
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That is a new way of looking at it I suppose! :lol:

Rubbish though, but new.


No mate I did not include you on the pre judge, you have just gone full circle in this thread going from loving it to hating it in the space of a few days. :lol:
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I didn't love it from the start, I wanted to. Oh and it takes me no time at all to judge games like this since:

A) I know how to play these games and have real life racing experience, so I know roughly what I'm looking for.

B) I know a hell of a lot about how these games are made, so I can see the obvious flaws a lot sooner than the average gamer.


If you had the full experience of the game and went online I doubt you would be so against it.
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It's a driving game right? Supposed to be bordering on the sim level right? Well how come the driving itself isn't quite right then?
 
DFreshKing said:
Fair enough we will have to agree to disagree.
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Always! This is a discussion board, and discussion is good!

I'm not arguing against your opinion on this game at all, I'll say yet again that I'm still playing it and am having fun with it!

However, the flaws are there and I'm even pointing out how you can see the less obvious ones. I know a lot about the game industry, and enough about A.I, Physics and graphics to see the deadline days rushes and bodges. It admittedly does ruin some games for me, but I'd never actively try to ruin them for other people unless (and this is the first case in ages) I feel people are being blatantly mislead.

If that doesn't spoil your enjoyment, then I'm very happy with that, but at least you are a bit more informed about this company and this product and in future it may save you from wasting money on a similar product that you don't have fun with! The next time you play a game you think is shit and a waste of money, think back to this thread. As long as there's always someone willing to overlook massive flaws, there'll always be money there to continue making games that are flawed.
 
Redlambs said:
Always! This is a discussion board, and discussion is good!

I'm not arguing against your opinion on this game at all, I'll say yet again that I'm still playing it and am having fun with it!

However, the flaws are there and I'm even pointing out how you can see the less obvious ones. I know a lot about the game industry, and enough about A.I, Physics and graphics to see the deadline days rushes and bodges. It admittedly does ruin some games for me, but I'd never actively try to ruin them for other people unless (and this is the first case in ages) I feel people are being blatantly mislead.

If that doesn't spoil your enjoyment, then I'm very happy with that, but at least you are a bit more informed about this company and this product and in future it may save you from wasting money on a similar product that you don't have fun with! The next time you play a game you think is shit and a waste of money, think back to this thread. As long as there's always someone willing to overlook massive flaws, there'll always be money there to continue making games that are flawed.
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However, a lot of people don't actually care about the flaw and are happy with the experience that they are having... just because some don't like it doesn't mean they have to follow suit, there is nothing wrong with overlooking flaws if you actually don't care about them in the first place... :)

It's you that considers it a waste for example as part of your opinion, it's not a waste is masses of people don't care about it and are happy with it.
 
Redlambs said:
Now back on topic: Melbourne.

I've managed to retire Alonso and send him up in the air wrecking his car. My life is now complete! :lol:
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Nice! I wanted to pick Ferrari as my rival and couldn't as they are udner me :(. I do enjoy beating Alonso though.

Did you get a penalty for it? I find that even if someone bumps me I get the penalty for it.
 
Zarlak said:
However, a lot of people don't actually care about the flaw and are happy with the experience that they are having... just because some don't like it doesn't mean they have to follow suit, there is nothing wrong with overlooking flaws if you actually don't care about them in the first place... :)

It's you that considers it a waste for example as part of your opinion, it's not a waste is masses of people don't care about it and are happy with it.
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I think the problem is misunderstanding of the point. Which is fair enough in written text on a forum.

I'm not telling the guys who love this game to hate it, or those that hate it to love it. I'm pointing out that the guys making are openly bullshitting the people who make it and the flaws they are saying aren't there, are.

There's a big difference! I'm fecking glad some of you who have paid good money for this game are happy with the purchase! Why would I want anyone not to be? I tell it like it is, you'll never read anything from me that is pulled off another forum and used as my own thoughts, you'll never read anything from me that is skewed based on who made it and what machine it is on and you'll definitely never read anything from me trying to tell people what to think. What you will read from me in situations like this, are what my own eyes and knowledge is telling me.

For a final example, notice I haven't gone off on the pit bug? That's because it hasn't yet happened to me. I acknowledge it exists, but have not personally experienced it and since it's a bug and bugs happen, it's something they can fix and I'll be happy with that.
 
Zarlak said:
Nice! I wanted to pick Ferrari as my rival and couldn't as they are udner me :(. I do enjoy beating Alonso though.

Did you get a penalty for it? I find that even if someone bumps me I get the penalty for it.
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No, somehow I only got a warning :lol:

The penalties for them bumping into you are shit though, but they won't fix that through a patch since the A.I can't be penalised properly :(
 
Redlambs said:
I think the problem is misunderstanding of the point. Which is fair enough in written text on a forum.

I'm not telling the guys who love this game to hate it, or those that hate it to love it. I'm pointing out that the guys making are openly bullshitting the people who make it and the flaws they are saying aren't there, are.

There's a big difference! I'm fecking glad some of you who have paid good money for this game are happy with the purchase! Why would I want anyone not to be? I tell it like it is, you'll never read anything from me that is pulled off another forum and used as my own thoughts, you'll never read anything from me that is skewed based on who made it and what machine it is on and you'll definitely never read anything from me trying to tell people what to think. What you will read from me in situations like this, are what my own eyes and knowledge is telling me.

For a final example, notice I haven't gone off on the pit bug? That's because it hasn't yet happened to me. I acknowledge it exists, but have not personally experienced it and since it's a bug and bugs happen, it's something they can fix and I'll be happy with that.
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That's fair enough, my post was more directed at your comment that as long as we continue to overlook the flaws games will be made with them, it comes across as if we should all start acknowledging these flaws and it's our fault we don't etc, when some people actually just don't care about the flaws whether they are fixed or not and this isn't a bad thing.

Redlambs said:
No, somehow I only got a warning :lol:

The penalties for them bumping into you are shit though, but they won't fix that through a patch since the A.I can't be penalised properly :(
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I do enjoy only getting a warning for stuff like that, I have seen the AI be penalised before with disqualifications etc, but it is annoying when you exit the pit lane, slow for a corner and WHAM someone drives into you from behind and you are given a 10 second penalty.
 
Zarlak said:
That's fair enough, my post was more directed at your comment that as long as we continue to overlook the flaws games will be made with them, it comes across as if we should all start acknowledging these flaws and it's our fault we don't etc, when some people actually just don't care about the flaws whether they are fixed or not and this isn't a bad thing.
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Yes, but that is true. I'm guilty of it myself though, so I'm not speaking from a pedestal ;)


I do enjoy only getting a warning for stuff like that, I have seen the AI be penalised before with disqualifications etc, but it is annoying when you exit the pit lane, slow for a corner and WHAM someone drives into you from behind and you are given a 10 second penalty.
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The most annoying one is what I'm saying with the basic A.I. If they get knocked of their pre-canned racing line, they'll quite happily barge you out the way to get back on it with no penalty! In fact 9/10 times you'll get the penalty!

However, that works in your favour some times, because if you can see it coming and avoid them, you can end up behind but with the jump on them to get past them cleanly later down the track :devil:

Oh and I just do love to bash Alonso, whatever the penalty :lol:
 
Redlambs said:
Yes, but that is true. I'm guilty of it myself though, so I'm not speaking from a pedestal ;)




The most annoying one is what I'm saying with the basic A.I. If they get knocked of their pre-canned racing line, they'll quite happily barge you out the way to get back on it with no penalty! In fact 9/10 times you'll get the penalty!

However, that works in your favour some times, because if you can see it coming and avoid them, you can end up behind but with the jump on them to get past them cleanly later down the track :devil:

Oh and I just do love to bash Alonso, whatever the penalty :lol:
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:D I was in a race the other day and saw Hamilton spin on a corner, someone hit him from behind and then Alonso hit them, I went ploughing right into Alonso and sent him flying and only got a warning.
 
I never said it was perfect, I gave it a solid 8 which considering best in class audio and graphics it must have weaknesses to not be getting higher.

I was disagreeing with you overly harsh criticism and also the implication that we are somehow not seeing the full picture if we do not think like you.

You have made comments that appear to seem you know best due to prior knowledge of both driving and the game industry.

Both I am afraid are nonsense because for a start you have no idea about my experiences or anyone else.

I'm not having a go, I know text can look misleading and I think most of what you have wrote is bang on the money but the last day or two I reckon Alonso has trashed one or two of you races and your feeling a little hard done by. :smirk:
 
I guess DFreshKing is lucky that he's found online bearable because whenever I play it online, my opponents seem to treat F1 as demolition derby. I've given up on the game.
 
Zarlak said:
Go wide, let them smash each other up on the corners and just nip past them!
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Easier said than done. No matter how I try to avoid them, in the last corner if I am leading a race, some idiot would ram into me and use me to 'slow down' into a corner. :wenger:
 
Hitchcocker said:
I guess DFreshKing is lucky that he's found online bearable because whenever I play it online, my opponents seem to treat F1 as demolition derby. I've given up on the game.
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Yeah, I would add that it was a group of lads of a gaming site, not randoms.

Randoms are the same in all racing games unfortunately, definitely not down to codies that one.
 
Valencia is such a good track. Think it might be my favourite in the game.

Finished 3rd behind the McLarens after pranging Button and getting a drive through pen. Was struggling to hold on to that place with my front wing damaged on the last couple of laps though.

I just seem to have attracted interest so far from teams I don't want to join (Torro Rosso, HRT, Sauber, Lotus). Will I have to pick a rival from on of those deadbeats? Was kind of hoping to join Renault or Force India next.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Valencia is such a good track. Think it might be my favourite in the game.

Finished 3rd behind the McLarens after pranging Button and getting a drive through pen. Was struggling to hold on to that place with my front wing damaged on the last couple of laps though.

I just seem to have attracted interest so far from teams I don't want to join (Torro Rosso, HRT, Sauber, Lotus). Will I have to pick a rival from on of those deadbeats? Was kind of hoping to join Renault or Force India next.
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No, you pick your rival from the 3 drivers next ahead of you in the championship :). Since I am 4th I got to choose from 3rd 2nd and 1st 2 Red Bulls and a Ferrari, if you are 10th you get to choose 9th 8th or 7th whoever is currently there.

You just get interest from the shit teams first as as you start to make a name for yourself you're still not good enough for the big boys, the worse teams with a lower requirement always are interested first. :)
 
Hitchcocker said:
I guess DFreshKing is lucky that he's found online bearable because whenever I play it online, my opponents seem to treat F1 as demolition derby. I've given up on the game.
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Well find people here and play online with them :p
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No, you pick your rival from the 3 drivers next ahead of you in the championship :). Since I am 4th I got to choose from 3rd 2nd and 1st 2 Red Bulls and a Ferrari, if you are 10th you get to choose 9th 8th or 7th whoever is currently there.

You just get interest from the shit teams first as as you start to make a name for yourself you're still not good enough for the big boys, the worse teams with a lower requirement always are interested first. :)
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Yeah I got teams like HTR and Force India and Lotus interested in me. Only decent team till now who wants me is Sauber.
 
Zarlak said:
No, you pick your rival from the 3 drivers next ahead of you in the championship :). Since I am 4th I got to choose from 3rd 2nd and 1st 2 Red Bulls and a Ferrari, if you are 10th you get to choose 9th 8th or 7th whoever is currently there.

You just get interest from the shit teams first as as you start to make a name for yourself you're still not good enough for the big boys, the worse teams with a lower requirement always are interested first. :)
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Nice one. I better make sure I stay behind the Renaults then at least. Dare I stick the tyre wear back on? :nervous:
 
DFreshKing said:
A couple people said shown their hand on here way before it was released so its not surprising they keep going on about the 'issues' ignoring the vast amount this game nails.
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I'd be surprised if those who are going on about the issues have actually played it at all.
 
DFreshKing said:
I never said it was perfect, I gave it a solid 8 which considering best in class audio and graphics it must have weaknesses to not be getting higher.

I was disagreeing with you overly harsh criticism and also the implication that we are somehow not seeing the full picture if we do not think like you.

You have made comments that appear to seem you know best due to prior knowledge of both driving and the game industry.

Both I am afraid are nonsense because for a start you have no idea about my experiences or anyone else.
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Its not just his prior knowledge its the comparison to pre existing games. The amount of faults in this game are alarming given that 90% of racing game companies have had said faults down pat since the early days of simulated racing. This game has its strenghts, but it also has debilitating flaws that make it annoying and wreck the enjoyment of the game itself.


What Codemasters should have done is start completely from scratch. Instead, they've tried to morph a pre-existing physics and game engine, designed almost specifically for rally type games, where the competition is against the clock, not against a real life opponent. The fact that there is no tyre wear and fuel wear for AI is testament to this fact, as is the scripted qualifying times and race speed.
 
DFreshKing said:
I never said it was perfect, I gave it a solid 8 which considering best in class audio and graphics it must have weaknesses to not be getting higher.

I was disagreeing with you overly harsh criticism and also the implication that we are somehow not seeing the full picture if we do not think like you.

You have made comments that appear to seem you know best due to prior knowledge of both driving and the game industry.

Both I am afraid are nonsense because for a start you have no idea about my experiences or anyone else.

I'm not having a go, I know text can look misleading and I think most of what you have wrote is bang on the money but the last day or two I reckon Alonso has trashed one or two of you races and your feeling a little hard done by. :smirk:
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Read my two responses to someone else earlier:


Redlambs said:
I think the problem is misunderstanding of the point. Which is fair enough in written text on a forum.

I'm not telling the guys who love this game to hate it, or those that hate it to love it. I'm pointing out that the guys making are openly bullshitting the people who make it and the flaws they are saying aren't there, are.

There's a big difference! I'm fecking glad some of you who have paid good money for this game are happy with the purchase! Why would I want anyone not to be? I tell it like it is, you'll never read anything from me that is pulled off another forum and used as my own thoughts, you'll never read anything from me that is skewed based on who made it and what machine it is on and you'll definitely never read anything from me trying to tell people what to think. What you will read from me in situations like this, are what my own eyes and knowledge is telling me.

For a final example, notice I haven't gone off on the pit bug? That's because it hasn't yet happened to me. I acknowledge it exists, but have not personally experienced it and since it's a bug and bugs happen, it's something they can fix and I'll be happy with that.
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Yes, but that is true. I'm guilty of it myself though, so I'm not speaking from a pedestal ;)
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I'm not trying to look clever nor put you down personally mate. You asked for examples of proof of some of the issues and I provided you with a way to check it out for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Listen, again I'm not trying to ruin your experience or belittle you in any way whatsoever, all I'm saying is that I'm 100% behind what I've written and that is from a position of knowledge. I've never once questioned yours! You don't have to believe me or agree with me at all, in fact the world would be a much more boring place if everyone did! But I am saying that the issues I've talked about are in the game and that post from Codies (and nearly everything that designer posts) are bullshit speak. It's all standard fare from people who have fecked up, I know because I've seen some things that are far worse than just appeasement notes.
 
No worries mate, People can like or dislike it, it won't affect my enjoyment.

Online is where its at for me really so that's why the AI gripes don't bother me too much, although I do agree that they should not be there.

The only thing that stops it being a 9/10 for me is the FF, it ain't upto scratch to really take the driving to the highest level. A patch will hopefully address that.
 
DFreshKing said:
No worries mate, People can like or dislike it, it won't affect my enjoyment.

Online is where its at for me really so that's why the AI gripes don't bother me too much, although I do agree that they should not be there.

The only thing that stops it being a 9/10 for me is the FF, it ain't upto scratch to really take the driving to the highest level. A patch will hopefully address that.
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As Marchi has pointed out, it's doubtful they can fix the FF. In fact, I doubt they even think it's a problem. It's a big shame, because it'd double my enjoyment of it right there :(
 
DFreshKing said:
I must have missed that why not?

They did when they had problems with race pro and it was much better.
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Its simply because the game's engine is that used in Grid and Dirt where the movement of the car is through a central axis point and not on all four wheels.
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I don't know if that's true or not, but it seems right going by you not being able to feel the back of the car.

Race Pro is basically GTR on the PC and those games are very detailed in their physics, so to update the feedback isn't a problem. If Marchi is right, then they have no hope of doing the same with F1.
 
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