Everton 2017/2018 thread

Perhaps seen as a bit of a replacement for Barkley?

Regardless, I think Siggy is a quality player who should do well for Everton.

Possibly yeah. He's a good player and Everton is about his level. Still think they could do with more pace in the side as without Bolaise, they don't seem to have a-lot.
 
It's a good point, Barca at their best didn't really have too many searingly fast players (although they had Messi).

You only have to look at Real Madrid (where Nacho and Kovacic are the fastest players) and compare their counter attacking play on Sunday night vs Liverpool yesterday. Quick and decisive passing makes the average players look quick while a guy like Salah can't control the ball on the run to save his life.
 
I think they are a striker away from mounting a decent challenge for top 4. I mean someone like Giorou. Still, them making top 4 would require two teams to have massive, season-long, blip in form. don't see it personally. However, they could try to get to the CL via Europa League.

It would require three teams that finished ahead of them to do this. Everton finished in 7th place.
 
Yeah, Everton top four, definitely impossible. It must be like a 5000/1 shot or something and those things could just never happen in the Premier League!
 


Despite the all the signings, including Sigurdsson, I really think Everton will struggle this season. As long as Rooney's on the pitch at least, which will be every game. Hard to put my finger on it, but without Lukaku and Barkley (was shit last season tbf) they miss that edge. Klaassen, Sigurdsson and M Keane are all decent players but Everton won't even come close to top 6. Koeman's a bit overrated too, imo. Did okay at Southampton but he's no Pochettino.
 
The realisation that they're still average will kick in around December when they're out of the Europa League and languishing in 10th.
 
I think they are better than you give them credit for. OK, Lukaku is gonna be a massive miss but they may well gain as many points through Pickford as they lose through Rom.

Their keepers last season were truly dire. I saw them a lot and there were so many mistakes and goals where, if not outright errors, the keeper should certainly have done better.

I really rate Pickford and he'll improve Everton massively. Great distribution too so I reckon City will probably buy him for £350m next summer.
 
He's a really good player and will improve the team. What i don't get is the Klaassen signing. Not that i don't think he will be a good player but Sigurdsson was always a priority target and we he have davies who looks really good in that role and now Rooney also.

A left winger should of been signed.
 
Yup, Rooney, Sig and Klaasen do all seem very similar. Seems strange but think Rooney is going to play further forward than either of the other two isn't he?
 
I'm really not worried about them. Best they'll do is come fifth. Sigurdson is a great signing though. As one of the posters mentioned earlier, where is the pace going to come from? Bolasie isn't due back anytime soon.
 
Yup, Rooney, Sig and Klaasen do all seem very similar. Seems strange but think Rooney is going to play further forward than either of the other two isn't he?
That was probably the plan but Rooney looked alot better in the 10 role on Saturday.
 
Some stats on Gylfi and why he costs what he costs..

In the last three season in the Premiership, only four players have assisted more goals
Here is in the top five in the Premiership since August 2014: Cesc Fabregas, 37, Mesut Özil, 33, Christian Eriksen, 32, Kevin De Bruyne, 27, and Gylfi, 26. Not bad for a player who plays for Swansea.

Since Gylfi played his first match in the 2011 Premier League (2011), he has scored more goals from the free kick than any other player
The Icelandic national has scored seven goals directly from the free kick, one more than Robert Snodgrass, Eriksen and Juan Mata.

Gylfi covered more ground in the Premiership than any other player in 2016/17
The fact that Gylfi went over 433 kilometers in last season's games, more than any other player.

Only one player scored more goals against the top six teams of the Premiership last season
Gylfi scored five goals against the top teams last season. Only Jamie Vardy (6) scored more against England's best team.

Gylfi setup more dead ball goals than any other player in the Premiership last season.

Gylfi assisted or scored 48.9% of Swansea´s goals last season.
Only Sunderland's Jermain Defoe (58.6%) and Romelu Lukaku (50%) at Everton (50%) score higher.

Gylfi is both Swansea's top-goalscorer (34) in the history of the top league and with most assists (29)

He has done all this with questionable quality of strikers to say the least..
 
They have bought well and obviously added Schnederlin in January too. I think Ramirez will be very good for them also. I think they will finish above Liverpool.

What is their ideal XI going to look like?
 
Everton are shaping up nicely.

Three creative goalscorers up front. Three hard-running and physical midfielders in the middle. Two very good (if slightly past-it) wing backs. Two big hard CBs.

It's a really nicely balanced side on paper. Reminiscent of Leicester a couple of seasons ago - albeit lacking in pace but more creative through the middle. They'll surprise a lot of people this season.
 
Everton are shaping up nicely.

Three creative goalscorers up front. Three hard-running and physical midfielders in the middle. Two very good (if slightly past-it) wing backs. Two big hard CBs.

It's a really nicely balanced side on paper. Reminiscent of Leicester a couple of seasons ago - albeit lacking in pace but more creative through the middle. They'll surprise a lot of people this season.
I think they should really use their squad for Europa, but obviously Everton haven't won a cup in 22 years so might really go for it. I think if they aren't in Europe they can come above one or two of the big six.
 
I wrote the following in the Transfer Tweets thread, should've written it here instead.

Anyway:
Maybe they'll sell Barkley and get some of the money back. And later down the road I think they'll also sell Rooney to MLS or China, perhaps next summer already, depending on how he fares. Get a little cash there as well, probably not too significant though.

But unless their new signings all flop, that's decent business for Everton in the immediate future.

That new stadium in a few years is going to cost though. I know they've got an injection of money but stadium constructions need a lot of dough.

It will probably cost two Neymars by then, depending on the scale of course. Say, around £400m? Wonder how much of that the club will end up paying in the end.
 
Don't think they are as good the side they had a few years ago under Martinez with Lukaku, Barkley, Deulofeu on form and a younger Baines and Coleman etc.
 
You only have to look at Real Madrid (where Nacho and Kovacic are the fastest players) and compare their counter attacking play on Sunday night vs Liverpool yesterday. Quick and decisive passing makes the average players look quick while a guy like Salah can't control the ball on the run to save his life.

What?
Bale, Ronaldo, Marcelo, Carvajal, Vasquez are all quick to very quick players, even Benzema is no slouch, and then you have Varane and Ramos in central defense. I really can't think of many teams who would outsprint Real Madrid.

People talk as if it is either or.

Barcelona have always had fast players that go past players and are great on the counter despite their possession based system. Etoo, Henry, Messi, Neymar, Jordi Alba, Dani Alvez - all are very quick. They midfield and centre backs are slow, but they always mixed it up with quick players. United were always a great attacking team, but under LVG when we removed every ounce of pace in the team, we completely lost that ability as Smalling and Valencia were our fastest players and both played in defense.

There is no point in being fast if you can't run with the ball - Walcott isn't fast running with the ball as he pretty much stumbles trying to, but Giggs never even slowed down with the ball at his feet - but there is no point in having quick, decisive passing if there are nobody able to exploit the space in behind.
 
They should have signed Chicharito and or a tricky pacey winger.

Now that would have been be a hell of a signing for them.

I think they've just expensively consolidated on #7 spot. I would be shocked to see them finish above any of the current top 6.

Sigurdsson, is a good signing but not anything special. When I see someone bringing up stats to compare him to some of the best players in the league it just reminds me of when we got Benteke. They'll never be good enough for the top level and no amount of statistics pitted against the best players will change that.
 
They'd be very dangerous if they had Lukaku... as it stands they still need a striker.
 
Some stats on Gylfi and why he costs what he costs..

In the last three season in the Premiership, only four players have assisted more goals
Here is in the top five in the Premiership since August 2014: Cesc Fabregas, 37, Mesut Özil, 33, Christian Eriksen, 32, Kevin De Bruyne, 27, and Gylfi, 26. Not bad for a player who plays for Swansea.


Since Gylfi played his first match in the 2011 Premier League (2011), he has scored more goals from the free kick than any other player
The Icelandic national has scored seven goals directly from the free kick, one more than Robert Snodgrass, Eriksen and Juan Mata.

Gylfi covered more ground in the Premiership than any other player in 2016/17
The fact that Gylfi went over 433 kilometers in last season's games, more than any other player.

Only one player scored more goals against the top six teams of the Premiership last season
Gylfi scored five goals against the top teams last season. Only Jamie Vardy (6) scored more against England's best team.

Gylfi setup more dead ball goals than any other player in the Premiership last season.

Gylfi assisted or scored 48.9% of Swansea´s goals last season.
Only Sunderland's Jermain Defoe (58.6%) and Romelu Lukaku (50%) at Everton (50%) score higher.

Gylfi is both Swansea's top-goalscorer (34) in the history of the top league and with most assists (29)

He has done all this with questionable quality of strikers to say the least..

Dusan Tadic has 27 assists.
 
Such a tough start for Everton. That win against Stoke was vital. They could do, somehow, with being 4-0 up at half-time tonight and then rest players for City. Monday kick-off is a massive help there though.

How many points would Evertonians take after five games? 7? 8? 9? 6?
 
Some stats on Gylfi and why he costs what he costs..

In the last three season in the Premiership, only four players have assisted more goals
Here is in the top five in the Premiership since August 2014: Cesc Fabregas, 37, Mesut Özil, 33, Christian Eriksen, 32, Kevin De Bruyne, 27, and Gylfi, 26. Not bad for a player who plays for Swansea.

Since Gylfi played his first match in the 2011 Premier League (2011), he has scored more goals from the free kick than any other player
The Icelandic national has scored seven goals directly from the free kick, one more than Robert Snodgrass, Eriksen and Juan Mata.

Gylfi covered more ground in the Premiership than any other player in 2016/17
The fact that Gylfi went over 433 kilometers in last season's games, more than any other player.

Only one player scored more goals against the top six teams of the Premiership last season
Gylfi scored five goals against the top teams last season. Only Jamie Vardy (6) scored more against England's best team.

Gylfi setup more dead ball goals than any other player in the Premiership last season.

Gylfi assisted or scored 48.9% of Swansea´s goals last season.
Only Sunderland's Jermain Defoe (58.6%) and Romelu Lukaku (50%) at Everton (50%) score higher.

Gylfi is both Swansea's top-goalscorer (34) in the history of the top league and with most assists (29)

He has done all this with questionable quality of strikers to say the least..
Problem is most if his assists etc are a result of dead ball/corners directly to llorente who is what 6 foot 3? Or to one of their huge centre half's.
Swansea was built to utilise his strengths and Tottenham wasn't. Now question is if Everton can play to his strengths because if not he will look average again then in 2 seasons go to a lower club for next to nothing and then look great again.
 
Anyone else think they have a good chance of finishing above Liverpool this season?
 
Anyone else think they have a good chance of finishing above Liverpool this season?
No. Their attack doesn't inspire me at all. Liverpool while defensively shaky still have a better squad although it remains to be seen how affected they will be by European games in terms of fatigue.
 
The Sigurdsson signing at least guarantees that they'll at least score against us in both matches. Why couldn't he feck off abroad :lol:
 
Problem is most if his assists etc are a result of dead ball/corners directly to llorente who is what 6 foot 3? Or to one of their huge centre half's.
Swansea was built to utilise his strengths and Tottenham wasn't. Now question is if Everton can play to his strengths because if not he will look average again then in 2 seasons go to a lower club for next to nothing and then look great again.

Still feel that Everton need a striker as I feel the young spanish guy needs time time adapt..