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If you were a scout at United, would you still be interested?

And if the British and Spanish media havent picked up on your interest, why would you want to fill them in?

Overall I just think people should be aware that Banega is out there. And perhaps other great young midfielders, like Sahin. Of course he's no longer a factor as he went to Madrid, but we should be aware of these other players when we talk of signing a midfielder and discussing what kind of fee a player like Modric is worth.

There are better players. Some who even suit us more and would probably cost less.
 
If I was a united scout I would be interested. Having watched him a few times for the national team and seeing him occasionally over the last few years for Balencia, he has a lot to offer a team like ours.

Considering his age and price tag, surely he would be a better option to a Modric, Sneijder, super signing etc...

He looks to have that bite, flair, passing ability, movement and the big match cojonaes.

Its strange that there has been Zero Linkage.
 
I just signed him on my FIFA 11 game and he's awesome. Some of his passing really unlocks defences. That's surely the best evidence one can get that he's good enough for us. Sign him up now! :D
 
apotheosis said:
I think you are being a little harsh RR. There are 2 ways you can look at someone who has had behavioural problems:

1. You can work on the premise that because they have been a problem in the past, they may always be a problem.

2. Or you can work on the basis that the lad has had the courage to admit his previous failings, and has then subsequently applied a disciplined and determined effort to overcome his problems and turn his life around.

I prefer the latter. I believe a person's character is better measured by their response to adversity, some people wilt and fade away, but the more determined show the courage and mental strength to overcome and then use the experience as a lesson, something that can be of benefit to the person's future.

Taking the reporter's slightly over dramatic reporting style aside, i believe Banega should be placed into the second category, as someone who has overcome his problems and despite his negative experiences, his reaction has been all positive. I see no valid reason why he should be any longer labelled a risk, solely for mistakes that were made in his youth.

Let's face it, if the rest of us were judged by the actions of our teenage years, hardly any of us could be considered any less of a risk than Banega.
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You may prefer the latter - but you're not the bloke responsible for spending a shed load of cash on him in the hope that he'll calm down :)

I take your point, and United have on occaission taken a punt on the likes of Eric Cantona with great success.

It obviously depends on the player in question and the problems they've had and whether the manager has the time (and inclination) to keep an eye on him and how they see it turning out with regard to discipline in the rest of the squad.

I was simply pointing out that many clubs may swerve a player like that if they have their doubts and/or another player may do the job who is less of a risk - especially in teh current climeate where clubs may not have as much money as they would like to commit to a transfer and wages.
 
kouroux said:
I'm also a converted Banega fan.I think his potential is very good
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He seems to have it all eh man?

Get pretty excited when i see a player like him & i dont see many like him tbh. You always have that thought of his play in a United shirt... then you realise we're not even linked with him for some reason. He'd be perfect for us but maybe Manchester wouldnt be for him, after all the bashin the City has taken from the Judas cnut Teveth. I feel that prick could have done damge to Manchesters appeal from South American players with other career options :mad:
 
apotheosis said:
I think you are being a little harsh RR. There are 2 ways you can look at someone who has had behavioural problems:

1. You can work on the premise that because they have been a problem in the past, they may always be a problem.

2. Or you can work on the basis that the lad has had the courage to admit his previous failings, and has then subsequently applied a disciplined and determined effort to overcome his problems and turn his life around.

I prefer the latter. I believe a person's character is better measured by their response to adversity, some people wilt and fade away, but the more determined show the courage and mental strength to overcome and then use the experience as a lesson, something that can be of benefit to the person's future.

Taking the reporter's slightly over dramatic reporting style aside, i believe Banega should be placed into the second category, as someone who has overcome his problems and despite his negative experiences, his reaction has been all positive. I see no valid reason why he should be any longer labelled a risk, solely for mistakes that were made in his youth.

Let's face it, if the rest of us were judged by the actions of our teenage years, hardly any of us could be considered any less of a risk than Banega.
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Jesus, in that regard - Randall Flagg must have been an even more right grumpy fecker when he was young.. :)
 
Red Hand Devil said:
I meant young as in youthful... i wasnt suggesting that Randall Flagg was Ashley Young as some stage in his early life :smirk:
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Was more in response to the bolded text

As a teenager the one issue Banega had was his webcam exploits, the same as Ashley Young. So as we can see that wouldnt be an issue
 
OMG That is a horrible cock up by Banega. Ball treacles tamely towards goal and he goes to control it before he clears and it rolls under his foot and behind for a goal for Bolivia. Horrible error that could cost Argentina a game that they are unbelievably dominating.

In saying that Banega has looked like a faster version of Anderson. He is a chunky savage with a great touch, lightening quickness of thought with great through balls and great burst of pace too but doesnt seem to offer much goal threat. If Anderson lost a few pounds and developed his quickness of thought, pace and playmaking skills a little more then he would resemble something like Banega.
 
Other than his error he played well tonight, his intelligent use of the ball kept Argentina in motion and his movement was great, always making himself available for a pass.
 
Was decent I thought, had his moments but didnt impose himself as much as I've seen him do for Argentina before and even more-so for Valencia. Tonight reminded me a little too much of his first several games for the national side where he was content to lay the ball off simply to the more experienced internationals rather than exploiting his own superb vision and making chances himself like he had done in the last couple of internationals.

Hopefully he'll impose himself even more as the Copa Banega rolls on
 
Tbf Bolivia were alright in cutting the main guys off. Messi hadn't as much time in the second half. They rather let Di Maria and Lavezzi be lose out wide and doubled the stronger creative types.
 
Ringo 07 said:
OMG

In saying that Banega has looked like a faster version of Anderson. He is a chunky savage with a great touch, lightening quickness of thought with great through balls and great burst of pace too but doesnt seem to offer much goal threat. If Anderson lost a few pounds and developed his quickness of thought, pace and playmaking skills a little more then he would resemble something like Banega.
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Ando is younger then Banega, give him time. A injury free pre season and a couple of games in a row and you will see the real Anderson. As far as I can see Banega is better with ball and he's a more natural dribbler. Ando is stronger and his acceleration is a little bit faster and his end product is more accurate.

Both are great prospects.
 
No chance Anderson's better with end product. I wouldnt worry about comparing the two though as they'd fit so nicely together
 
First time I have really seen Banega play. I watched it on The Score here in Canada and the two announcers watching in studio here in Toronto just tore into him all night. They had talked him up big early in the game, basically saying he was the engine of the team and everything would go through him. But as the game went on and Bolivia more than held their own, they began to blame him for every failed Argentinean attack and lose of possession.

Other than the own goal which was just an unfortunate mishit, I didn't think he was that bad. He started a lot of Argentina's attacks, he looked good on the ball, very good distribution, even if it was to find Messi all night. He did lose possession from time to time, but some credit has to go to the Bolivian midfield who were playing well.

He did enough tonight to warrant keeping an eye on him as tournament progresses.
 
Canuckred64 said:
First time I have really seen Banega play. I watched it on The Score here in Canada and the two announcers watching in studio here in Toronto just tore into him all night. They had talked him up big early in the game, basically saying he was the engine of the team and everything would go through him. But as the game went on and Bolivia more than held their own, they began to blame him for every failed Argentinean attack and lose of possession.

Other than the own goal which was just an unfortunate mishit, I didn't think he was that bad. He started a lot of Argentina's attacks, he looked good on the ball, very good distribution, even if it was to find Messi all night. He did lose possession from time to time, but some credit has to go to the Bolivian midfield who were playing well.

He did enough tonight to warrant keeping an eye on him as tournament progresses.
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Yeah, I didn't understand all the hatred, he played brilliantly in the beginning, but slowly died off, and is to blame for that goal.
 
Ekeke said:
No chance Anderson's better with end product. I wouldnt worry about comparing the two though as they'd fit so nicely together
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Both you and I are great admirer of Banega. You know everything that it's to know about him so I will not argue against you so we leave it there.

I just think that Ando is more direct, the downside of this is that he sometimes end up doing Hollywood passes instead of playing simple. I'm not sure about Banega but he seems to prefer more crosses and short passes. Maybe that's good??

I noticed in tonight's game that he started quite high up in the field but ended up as a deep lying play maker. I understand it's difficult to produce magic when Messi is around, it looks like he was told to give the Barcelona ace the ball most of the time. That made the game predictable and many of his other team mates also suffered from this tactic.

Banega could work alongside Ando if both players have discipline and don't try to control the game by them self. The are both good on holding the ball and if they use their quickness and acceleration they can easily hold possession under intensive pressure and then deliver a killer pass to our offensive players. In a 4231 they will have defensive help from our winger and Rooney so it could work even if non of them are natural defensive MF.

We'll see but I hope we are interested in Banega because this guy can become a future giant. He has everything in his locker to succeed.
 
Everytime I see his name I think of a porno star.....
 
7even said:
Ando is younger then Banega, give him time. A injury free pre season and a couple of games in a row and you will see the real Anderson. As far as I can see Banega is better with ball and he's a more natural dribbler. Ando is stronger and his acceleration is a little bit faster and his end product is more accurate.

Both are great prospects.
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Actually, he's two months older.

And Anderson's end product is more accurate? Hard to imagine what you mean by that, do Banega's passes actually land outside the stadium?
 
Ekeke said:
Was more in response to the bolded text

As a teenager the one issue Banega had was his webcam exploits, the same as Ashley Young. So as we can see that wouldnt be an issue
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I think the major concern would be allegations over liking to be out late drinking.

We all know that young lads will do just that, within reason, but if a player who goes out on loan needs a clause in the agreement guaranteeing he wont be out every night (as was alleged - and indeed if it was true) that could be a problem.

Players who don't look after their bodies are a liability - fact is you won't be a top player in modern football if you're not looking after yourslef in the right way.

That said, there's usually a certain amount of exaggeration in the media about footballers so perhaps on this occaisions the allegations were unfair.

But as a general rule I'd say those allegations would concern a club rather than youthful webcam indiscretions.
 
Siorac said:
Actually, he's two months older.

And Anderson's end product is more accurate? Hard to imagine what you mean by that, do Banega's passes actually land outside the stadium?
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My bad! I though Banega was 24.

When I write accurate I mean precise or careful. When Ando is on song his passes often ending up in a perfect area for the receiver.

Maybe they are to similar but at the same time, as we saw this night, Banega can play as a deep lying playmaker. Then it's no problem.

We will see more games with Argentina so it's best to wait before to early judgement. But it's hard to ignore his quality, he looked equal or better then a proven PL star like Tevez. He hold players like Pastore on the bench, even after one own goal. Then you clearly have talent.

I don't think we will sign him but I find it strange we are not even interested. He's a player who stands out and there are not so many quality MFs out there.
 
Yeah Banega is a lot more accurate when on song. He's put in some Xavi-esque performances before. Anderson doesnt come close
 
Ekeke said:
Yeah Banega is a lot more accurate when on song. He's put in some Xavi-esque performances before. Anderson doesnt come close
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I think you underestimate Ando a little bit. It's easy to just remember his Hollywood attempt's and forget that he usually (especially at OT) set up his team mates with long, precise and direct passes. Some of the them could't even Scholes do better.

Both players are inconsistent and have a tendency of over do things. But the quality is there and with age and experience they will probably sooner or later become the real deal.

As far as I can see Banega has all it takes to be a world class MF. Like you say he has already put in a couple of Xavi-esque performances, and he's only 22 years old. Xavi himself didn't become the player he is before he was 25, if I remember correctly.
 
7even said:
I think you underestimate Ando a little bit. It's easy to just remember his Hollywood attempt's and forget that he usually (especially at OT) set up his team mates with long, precise and direct passes. Some of the them could't even Scholes do better.

Both players are inconsistent and have a tendency of over do things. But the quality is there and with age and experience they will probably sooner or later become the real deal.

As far as I can see Banega has all it takes to be a world class MF. Like you say he has already put in a couple of Xavi-esque performances, and he's only 22 years old. Xavi himself didn't become the player he is before he was 25, if I remember correctly.
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Fair assessment, for both players. With Anderson, you always feel he could do much more, but his inconsistency is whats letting him down right now.
 
Escobar said:
Fair assessment, for both players. With Anderson, you always feel he could do much more, but his inconsistency is whats letting him down right now.
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I thought last season he became more consistant - at home at least, its just his away form that let him down. TBH i dont recall at game at OT last season where i thought he was shocking, opposed to the season before where i thought he was always bad with one or two good games
 
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