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7even said:
I think you underestimate Ando a little bit. It's easy to just remember his Hollywood attempt's and forget that he usually (especially at OT) set up his team mates with long, precise and direct passes. Some of the them could't even Scholes do better.

Both players are inconsistent and have a tendency of over do things. But the quality is there and with age and experience they will probably sooner or later become the real deal.

As far as I can see Banega has all it takes to be a world class MF. Like you say he has already put in a couple of Xavi-esque performances, and he's only 22 years old. Xavi himself didn't become the player he is before he was 25, if I remember correctly.
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Sorry but it takes a bunch of attempts before Anderson finally gets one of those difficult passes right. Even with his longer passes, which are more impressive, he usually hits 3 or 4 bad ones before he gets a good one.

Banega is not like that. He's more measured. He can hit the great long pass but if he gets one wrong, he'll make sure he keeps it simpler and not keep giving the ball away the next time.

His one touch passing is several levels above Anderson, its on Barcelona level. And his short passing is a lot more measured than Anderson. However Banega isnt at his best every single game, there are games when his passing is hit and miss just like Anderson usually is. But these arent often at all whereas with Anderson "hit and miss" describes his usual performance
 
Ekeke said:
Sorry but it takes a bunch of attempts before Anderson finally gets one of those difficult passes right. Even with his longer passes, which are more impressive, he usually hits 3 or 4 bad ones before he gets a good one.

Banega is not like that. He's more measured. He can hit the great long pass but if he gets one wrong, he'll make sure he keeps it simpler and not keep giving the ball away the next time.

His one touch passing is several levels above Anderson, its on Barcelona level. And his short passing is a lot more measured than Anderson. However Banega isnt at his best every single game, there are games when his passing is hit and miss just like Anderson usually is. But these arent often at all whereas with Anderson "hit and miss" describes his usual performance
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I find your thoughts about Ando unfair. Especially "several levels above".

Ando often ends up with more then 80% correct passes on the chalkboard. At Old Trafford his stats are even better. Those stats itself make your claims more or less impossible. I agree that sometimes his one touch and short passes are a little bit "heavy", but we don't talk about 3 bad passes before 1 good.

When Ando is playing as a offensive MF, just like Giggs, he are supposed to deliver the "killer" pass, when he have the opportunity. It means that it goes with the task that some passes could end up wrong. That's part of his role.

To say Anderson is "hit and miss" is unfair and there is no stats who back up your argument. Ando had a couple of bad games but he also had 7-8 good and very good games. The rest was probably average.


I don't want to end up in a who is right/wrong debate. I like them both and I think Banega would be perfect for us, maybe together with my young favorite Anderson.
 
I've watched both players for years and in my opinion Banega's passing is miles better. I'll leave it at that
 
Ekeke said:
I've watched both players for years and in my opinion Banega's passing is miles better. I'll leave it at that
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That's OK. Let's agree to have different opinions.

Btw. I have watched every game Ando has played for United and Brazil and more then 12-13 games with Banega. We don't mention YT clips because that's for Muppets ;-) Not as much as you but enough to do a fair judgement. In my book they are pretty even as players, maybe Benage's short and one touch passes are better but Ando's killer passes are close to world class when he's on song. Two damn good players to make it short.
 
7even said:
That's OK. Let's agree to have different opinions.

Btw. I have watched every game Ando has played for United and Brazil and more then 12-13 games with Banega. We don't mention YT clips because that's for Muppets ;-) Not as much as you but enough to do a fair judgement. In my book they are pretty even as players, maybe Benage's short and one touch passes are better but Ando's killer passes are close to world class when he's on song. Two damn good players to make it short.
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Well I have to disagree with that. Even at his best, Anderson's final ball still takes a couple before he gets it right. When he does get it right it looks great, but it doesnt change that the accuracy wasnt there for several attempts before

Anderson is more of an athlete than Banega, a lot faster. And possibly stronger but its fairly close. But other than that
 
Mainoldo said:
Ando Schooled him last time they went head to head.
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The only time they went head to head, in Anderson's best performance of the season and with Banega just back from injury. Yes Anderson was probably the best player on the pitch
 
As things stand currently.. IMO Banega is better than Anderson..
 
I have nothing to add to this debate, other than a :lol: for that attempted clearance for the Bolivia goal.
 
Feed Me said:
I have nothing to add to this debate, other than a :lol: for that attempted clearance for the Bolivia goal.
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He was trying to trap the ball and he let his eye of the ball thus resulting in the ball slipping under his leg.. Woeful stuff I agree but that's not an attempted clearance.. Also I am not so sure that's even a goal! The ball didn't look like it completely crossed the line..
 
SharkyMcShark said:
Banega gets more regular playing time than Anderson.

Anderson has only once played in more than half our league games in a campaign (and that was 07/08)
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5 more starts in league/champs league. Yes he plays more regularly but it wasnt a huge amount more last season

As for who is better... unfortunately I dont see the comparison at this point. I still think Anderson can become a very good CM for us, whereas Banega is already on that level
 
Chirag said:


He was trying to trap the ball and he let his eye of the ball thus resulting in the ball slipping under his leg.. Woeful stuff I agree but that's not an attempted clearance.. Also I am not so sure that's even a goal! The ball didn't look like it completely crossed the line..
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Oh, I'm in no doubt that it's unfortunate, but it's one of the most hilarious attempted clearances I've seen in a long while.
 
I thought it was funny too but mainly because I was hyping the match and tournament up a lot as something which will raise Banega's profile a lot, and then he scores an own goal in the first game. Just glad he wasnt subbed off instead of Cambiasso.

I think it came quickly and he thought he could control it but because he had to react late, as there are a couple of Argentine players in the way he got it horribly wrong
 
Ekeke said:
5 more starts in league/champs league. Yes he plays more regularly but it wasnt a huge amount more last season

As for who is better... unfortunately I dont see the comparison at this point. I still think Anderson can become a very good CM for us, whereas Banega is already on that level
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I'm not sure how Valencia is doing but we have squad rotation. Ando compete with Giggs and if we play 4231 there is only one of them who's going to play.

Regarding who's better it's rather pointless to speculate at this time. Both are one of the best young MFs you can find. Banega has shown bags of potential against both Barca and RM. It's fair to say that he, in a few games, has been close to equal to four of the best players in the world.

Ando is not far away. So far I haven't seen him lost against any team, except the CL final in Rome. On his day he's one of our best and often dominate his area with pure strength, acceleration and great passes. Not many players in his age do that playing for a world class team.

The club who's going to buy Banega is going to have a great player. I hope we don't have to see him in a blue PL-shirt.
 
Well Valencia rotated their CM a lot last season plus of course Banega had his time out with that injury at the start.

Lets not forget that Anderson has been close to equal great players too. At 19 he out-performed Fabregas and Gerrard in matches where he met them in midfield. So as we said above, yeah Anderson had the better game when they were on opposite sides in the CL last season but that doesnt mean he's as good or a better player. One of the more impressive things he's shown at United is an ability to match or out-do the star names in the opponent's midfield.

I just disagree about his passing.
 
Chirag said:


He was trying to trap the ball and he let his eye of the ball thus resulting in the ball slipping under his leg.. Woeful stuff I agree but that's not an attempted clearance.. Also I am not so sure that's even a goal! The ball didn't look like it completely crossed the line..
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It would have been harsh to say it didnt cross the line tho. If it didnt - then it would only have been a cm or two in, because that ball to me is over the line & i'd say a linesman would say its over too, which it seems he did!
 
7even said:
Regarding who's better it's rather pointless to speculate at this time. Both are one of the best young MFs you can find. Banega has shown bags of potential against both Barca and RM. It's fair to say that he, in a few games, has been close to equal to four of the best players in the world.

Ando is not far away. So far I haven't seen him lost against any team, except the CL final in Rome. On his day he's one of our best and often dominate his area with pure strength, acceleration and great passes. Not many players in his age do that playing for a world class team.

The club who's going to buy Banega is going to have a great player. I hope we don't have to see him in a blue PL-shirt.
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I don't see Anderson as one of the best young CMs yet. He's a bit of a flat track bully and has hardly progressed since an encouraging first season. His off the ball movement is poor, his passing erratic and his defensive work at times is very poor.
 
datura said:
I don't see Anderson as one of the best young CMs yet. He's a bit of a flat track bully and has hardly progressed since an encouraging first season. His off the ball movement is poor, his passing erratic and his defensive work at times is very poor.
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I think that's a little harsh, after some encouraging displays in the season just gone. There are signs of progression IMO.

Agree with the general gist of your post though. 7evn is definitely exaggerating the level Anderson is at right now.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I think that's a little harsh, after some encouraging displays in the season just gone. There are signs of progression IMO.

Agree with the general gist of your post though. 7evn is definitely exaggerating the level Anderson is at right now.
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In his first season he had very good performances away at Liverpool and Arsenal, his best performances in the last season were at home against mid table teams or relegation fodder. I like him as a player but he has been rather underwhelming since the first season, although injuries have played a factor.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
I think that's a little harsh, after some encouraging displays in the season just gone. There are signs of progression IMO.

Agree with the general gist of your post though. 7evn is definitely exaggerating the level Anderson is at right now.
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He had some encouraging performances but these were no better nor came more consistently than in his first season. In that sense there's little progress; what's more, I'd still say that his best season at United was his first one, by some distance. He'd have to improve on that for me to call it progress.
 
I think all Anderson needs is a proper pre-season.. The fact that Scholes has retired should be a boost for him..
 
I think Anderson's performances in his debut season have been massively over-rated because of people getting caught up in all the excitement of signing an exciting talent.

People often talk about the Liverpool game as being an Anderson master-class but we got completely dominated in midfield that game, created almost nothing going forwards and spent the last half hour camped in our own box. We got a good result and Anderson put in a few crunching challenges so its' remembered as a far more complete performance than it actually was.

I certainly don't remember putting in anything like as good an all-round display as we saw from him in a few games this season. Admittedly, they were all home games but they were his best in a United shirt to date IMO.

EDIT: at the risk of "doing a Boss", here's highlights from this season's game against Everton. In terms of the overall quality of his game it's in a different class to anything we saw in his debut season.

 
datura said:
I don't see Anderson as one of the best young CMs yet. He's a bit of a flat track bully and has hardly progressed since an encouraging first season. His off the ball movement is poor, his passing erratic and his defensive work at times is very poor.
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It's depends how you value his contribution. Everybody knows his injury record and that he has not have a proper pre season and a long run of games. It will off course affect his performance. I'm not saying he's the final article but when he's "on song"(I can't find a better word) he's close to the best (in his age).

Ando has a long way to go before he can be regarded as world class but the potential is there to see. I agree with you that sometimes his passing is erratic and his defensive is not the best but that is things who will improve with age and maturity.

As we see with Nani it's often about confidence and getting your act together. Ando needs to work hard on a lot of things. Especially he needs to improve his stamina but what he has, who separate's him from many others, is bags of talent and superior physical skills.

If Anderson is willing to accept the challenge he can (and here is the difference between one of the best and just talented) be among the best MFs in the world the next coming years.
 
His main issue isn't even his fitness though, he's just too dumb on the pitch at times. His positioning and decision making when he has the football are so erratic. he chases the ball all over the pitch at times when there's no real need to and that's a key reason he's always off after 70 minutes. He actually reminds me of how Nani used to be in that regard.
 
Inter make Banega bid

Serie A side Inter have reportedly made a €9m offer to Valencia for Ever Maximiliano David Banega.

The bid is understood to have been rejected by the Spanish club as too low, but the Italians are set to make an improved offer for the player.

Inter, who are reportedly close to netting Ricky Alvarez from Velez, are admirers of the 23-year-old.

The Nerazzurri are looking to freshen up their squad, especially in a midfield which contains veterans such as Javier Zanetti and Esteban Cambiasso.

Banega is an Argentine international who was also linked with a move to Napoli as recently as last month.

Banega joined Valencia in 2007 from Boca Juniors and spent the 2008-09 campaign on loan at Atletico Madrid.
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Football Italia - the Italian football website for English-speaking football fans
 
If Inter get him for something like €10-12m I expect Ekeke to explode in agonised fury.
 
No chance will he be sold for that little.. Surely not!
 
Already mentioned that the figure is ass. Its been around for months now, just poor journalism

I have 2 Valencia websites open and neither even mentioned that figure or these stories. They are talking about David Navarro's close move to Swiss football and reported interest in Pablo Piatti and/or Pedro Leon

If there was even a hint of a possibility that Banega could be leaving on the cheap there'd be riots. Instead, these sites which take their stories from Spain and closer sources to the club, arent even talking about Banega leaving
 
:lol: Valencia signed him for €18 million, gave him first team opportunities and improved his game into an important player for them.
 
I don't understand why Valencia would want to sell him for half of what they bought him for given the fact that he is still young and a good player.
 
Devil may care said:
If he goes for €9m I'll add him to my WTF pile with Sahin.
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Didn't Sahin have a release clause and/or was in the last year of his contract? On the latter point! the likes of Clichy, Nasri, Young, Ozil and Khedira(?) and Khedira are just a few of many who have used the tactic to diminish the power of the club even further (or increase the power of the player) in transfer/contract negotiations and the number seems to be growing.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
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EDIT: at the risk of "doing a Boss", here's highlights from this season's game against Everton. In terms of the overall quality of his game it's in a different class to anything we saw in his debut season.....
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Total exaggeration tbh. In his debut season his FA cup performance at home vs Arsenal and his performance vs Villa away in the league for example, were every bit as good. Possibly even better.
 
Ekeke said:
I have 2 Valencia websites open and neither even mentioned that figure or these stories. They are talking about David Navarro's close move to Swiss football and reported interest in Pablo Piatti and/or Pedro Leon
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Dont feel there's a need to make a new thread about it, but just going back to this. Valencia have signed Pablo Piatti from Almeria for 8 million euros according to Cadena Ser.

This is to replace Joaquin who left for Malaga and is another good signing for Valencia, who on the quiet are adding some good players to their squad and creeping closer to having a team that can compete for 2nd place in la liga
 
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