Ever Banega

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The Hairdryer said:
I don't think you've watched any Valencia games thiother than when they've player Real Madrid or Barcelona.

That's my hunch. You're basing your opinion mostly on youtube clips and other fanboiisms from this thread.

What the feck does High Definition have to do with anything:confused:
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He he...nice to hear a ITK. Tell me what clip do you prefer?

I stop this little nice chat now. You have your opinion and that's fine. I respect that. Let's just say we agree to disagree.

I like Ever Banega and you don't. Have a good day Sir.
 
The Hairdryer said:
Scholes has been a bit part for years, Hargreaves hasn't played for about three years and Gibson was second string. Losing those three suddenly doesn't make our midfield shit.
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Since when has Scholes been bit part? End of this season, yes but before that he was vital.
 
The Hairdryer said:
You mean have I watched the 1.40 minute youtube clips like you? Some of them.
Any players looks fantastic when you condense their best moments into a short clip with techno music.
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No i meant have you watched any games upon which to base your assessment?

It would appear not, furthermore you have absolutely no idea how much i have or haven't watched of Banega. I have seen enough to convince me the lad has huge potential though, and have suggested as much in previous pages in this thread. I may not be an expert on the player like Ekeke, but no-one has disagreed so far with my opinions on the player either.

You will find I agree with you on one thing though, Youtube videos do not offer enough to accurately gauge a player's credentials, but by the same rule surely then provide similarly insufficient information to reasonably dismiss their credentials either.

He should be featuring heavily in the upcoming Copa America, and i would be very surprised if you are not as suitably impressed as the rest of us by his all round midfield contributions. Reserve your judgement till then Hairdryer, i believe Banega is as good as there is about atm, and has the scope to become even better. :drool:
 
The Hairdryer said:
1. Fergie has never preferred "Play making" style midfielders that sit in the hole in front of the other midfielders. , he'd rather the box to box type in the mould of Keane, Robson, Fletcher, Butt and Scholes. Scholes being the only exception when he turned into what the pundits have dubbed the quarterback style player maker in his latter years.
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Carrick? And Banega doesn't play in the hole, he isn't a Riquelme or a No10, he can do box to box or the 'quarterback' role. Obviously, this is why youtube is useless because it gave you completely the wrong idea...yet people still keep making judgements off them. It's strange.
 
Well I'll let you lot go on discussing a player that we'll never even make an offer for for another 8 pages or so.

Life must be bliss in cloud cukoo land.
 
Brwned said:
Carrick? And Banega doesn't play in the hole, he isn't a Riquelme or a No10, he can do box to box or the 'quarterback' role. Obviously, this is why youtube is useless because it gave you completely the wrong idea...yet people still keep making judgements off them. It's strange.
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I think Youtube vids give only an indication, and should be taken as such.The problems arise when they are used in an attempt to draw definitive conclusions of a players level, either good or bad.

After reading Hairdryer's quotes in particular, it would seem he has an agenda against us signing Argentinian players in general, rather than any objective assessment determined by Youtube clips.
 
Hairdryer, are you even aware of the irony of having a go at most people in this thread and assuming they base all their information off youtube when you've only seen youtube videos yourself?

"Much more realistic transfers" like who?
 
I remember they was a lot of talk about him when he first moved to Valencia but he failed to live up to the expectation which is understandable as he was only young (19 maybe?) at the time.

I've not seen an awful lot of him recently so not sure how he's developed. Anyone able to give a run down on what type of player he is now? I'll keep a look out for him in the future.
 
If you want a summary, go back to the first post in the thread

As for not living up to expecations, he was bought mid-way through a season where Valencia looked like being relegated thanks to Koeman. He still had his moments but wasnt going to be trusted a lot at 19 years old. He then went out on loan and it wasnt until the past 2 seasons where he was given a real chance at his parent club
 
I was hoping for someone else other than you to reply, no offense but you've got a reputation as a lover of Banega.
 
Very good passer, talented ball carrier, great close control, tenacious tackler and a player who can dictate the play. Something like a more South American version of Scholesy 06/07 - playmaker with bite.
 
What the feck are we waiting for? Strike while Barcelona are busy bumming Cesc.
 
Brwned said:
Very good passer, talented ball carrier, great close control, tenacious tackler and a player who can dictate the play. Something like a more South American version of Scholesy 06/07 - playmaker with bite.
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Sign him up!


Ekeke said:
I'm sure I do but there's probably a reason for that :p
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I think I might turn into one now ;-)

Anyone rumors about a transfer at the moment? Or is he very much settled in Valencia now?
 
The most recent stories were that Banega and his agent say he's settled and happy to stay but wants to know if Valencia are looking to cash in this summer. And a rumour that Inter were looking at him.

Other than that no real transfer stories. Expect that to change as the Copa America kicks off and Argentina do well with him in the team
 
Ekeke said:
The most recent stories were that Banega and his agent say he's settled and happy to stay but wants to know if Valencia are looking to cash in this summer. And a rumour that Inter were looking at him.

Other than that no real transfer stories. Expect that to change as the Copa America kicks off and Argentina do well with him in the team
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Cue a bid from City then, it seems any player linked with any of the big clubs constitutes almost immediate interest from City. I don't know why they even bother recruiting scouts, when they can simply hire private investigator's to stalk everybody else's!
 
Ekeke said:
The most recent stories were that Banega and his agent say he's settled and happy to stay but wants to know if Valencia are looking to cash in this summer. And a rumour that Inter were looking at him.

Other than that no real transfer stories. Expect that to change as the Copa America kicks off and Argentina do well with him in the team
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And his fee will take a trip to north of Alaska.

If we scan around Europe and look for creative b2b midfielders it's like looking for water in a dessert.

Hamsik and Pastore are trequartista's. Rossi is 28 in July. Mario Götze is a very promising talent and is 19 years old but our track record from Bundesliga is worse than Giggs reputation as a faithful husband. If he was English he would be our top priority in a heartbeat. There are a few prospects from France but nothing better then we already have. Then it's Modric and he will cost a fortune, if Levy decides to cash in.

I don't have full control of all the South American players but I do know that Ever Banega is a starter for Argentina. For every new game he's impressing more and more. Nobody with serious interest in football could have missed that. The lazy one's can look at YouTube but all ambitious scouts should at this moment know everything there is to know about Valencia's raw diamond.

It's written on the wall. I don't understand why it's quit and so few rumours around him. It's open for everybody to see.
 
Out of interest what about M'Vila? Is he simply too defensive? I haven't seen him play but I have heard good things.
 
I like the look of M'Vila but he's not going to be someone to dictate the play or be a regular provider for the attackers, from what I've seen. He's not quite Mascherano but he's not a long way off it. Still, he's just 20 so he's got time to develop. He takes more responsibility for his club than he does for his national team, naturally, and he's a very capable passer...but he just doesn't look to have that side of his game to him.

Depends if you think we need that though, if you're happy with Carrick or Anderson to be the one to dictate the play. He's a better ball player than someone like De Jong or Mascherano.
 
I like how Ekeke has almost single-handedly hyped up Banega in this thread and now everyone thinks he's a fantastic midfielder, you can find his name across a variety of thread and he's nearly always pictured in bright light.

Have you ever considered a career in marketing mate? Although with Banega you've had it easy as he's good, if you manage to hype Charlie Adam to that level then I might have a job for you.
 
Sarni said:
I like how Ekeke has almost single-handedly hyped up Banega in this thread and now everyone thinks he's a fantastic midfielder, you can find his name across a variety of thread and he's nearly always pictured in bright light.

Have you ever considered a career in marketing mate? Although with Banega you've had it easy as he's good, if you manage to hype Charlie Adam to that level then I might have a job for you.
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:lol:

Its just because I waited so long to make the thread. More material and factual evidence to convince those who didnt know about him.

That and several other midfielders have either moved on or look to be moving on at high prices and already have a buyer.
 
Sarni said:
I like how Ekeke has almost single-handedly hyped up Banega in this thread and now everyone thinks he's a fantastic midfielder, you can find his name across a variety of thread and he's nearly always pictured in bright light.

Have you ever considered a career in marketing mate? Although with Banega you've had it easy as he's good, if you manage to hype Charlie Adam to that level then I might have a job for you.
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There has been plenty of talk about Banega before this thread. Perhaps it has brought him to a larger audience though.
 
Mojo_pin said:
Valencia grateful for the awe-inspiring improvement of Ever Banega | Sid Lowe | Football | guardian.co.uk

Nice article by Sid Lowe (02/2010) that goes into detail on how he sorted out his off the field issues.
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That article more or less explains the lack of interest any club has in Banega.. Also even though he has more or less turned all of those off the pitch problems around.. Clubs will still think about whether he would be a player they would want to get in..
 
Chirag said:
That article more or less explains the lack of interest any club has in Banega.. Also even though he has more or less turned all of those off the pitch problems around.. Clubs will still think about whether he would be a player they would want to get in..
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Exactly - he may have settled down for now, but it doesnt take a player much to skid of the rails again and a move to another country with the weight of a big fee could be enough to do just that.
 
The article is not accurate. For example Valencia chose not to sell Banega that summer, with words from the President to the effect of, we wont get back the large amount of money we paid for him so we arent going to let him go. Valencia's president said that, yet Lowe sees fit to write that Valencia accepted bids from Stuttgart and Marseille for not "much higher than 8 million euro"

He also writes that Valencia tried to force him to go on loan to Everton. In actual fact Everton wanted to get him towards the end of the transfer window, when Valencia had already come out with the statement about keeping him as he'd been their best player in pre-season. Everton applied for a work permit before getting Valencia's approval for any deal because the season before they had agreed a deal with Inter for Obinna but in the end they couldnt get a work permit. So they didnt want to face the same problem and so they investigated that part first. Valencia werent interested

I'm sorry to dissappoint fans of Sid Lowe but it was just another sensationalist story. I'm sure it entertained a few people but its an article rife with inaccuracy so you'd best not take it as gospel.

Regardless, he definitely had his problems settling down in Spain. But he's never been half as bad as the likes of Cassano and Balotelli, so while some clubs might be put off by his behaviour at times in the past, lots of top clubs have bought players with far more problems who had proven less on the pitch.

And there is interest in him, but so far its mainly come from Germany and Italy. You can get bet your life that if he had been playing for Spain under 21s in the under 21 euros he'd be linked with all the top premier league clubs right now like Mata is finally being. Its just that the British press really dont have a clue whats going on over in Spain except at Madrid and Barcelona.

It might actually be that whether or not the British press want to link him, he could end up in England before they have a clue he exists. As according to his agent :
"There is interest from an Italian and English club but we do not want to advance with this at the moment," he told Superdeporte.

"We want a formal decision from Valencia on a sale or not this summer. It is necessary to find out the position of the club because it is Banega's initial plan to remain there. Ever has signed for another two years at Valencia and is happy there.""
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RedRover said:
Exactly - he may have settled down for now, but it doesnt take a player much to skid of the rails again and a move to another country with the weight of a big fee could be enough to do just that.
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I think you are being a little harsh RR. There are 2 ways you can look at someone who has had behavioural problems:

1. You can work on the premise that because they have been a problem in the past, they may always be a problem.

2. Or you can work on the basis that the lad has had the courage to admit his previous failings, and has then subsequently applied a disciplined and determined effort to overcome his problems and turn his life around.

I prefer the latter. I believe a person's character is better measured by their response to adversity, some people wilt and fade away, but the more determined show the courage and mental strength to overcome and then use the experience as a lesson, something that can be of benefit to the person's future.

Taking the reporter's slightly over dramatic reporting style aside, i believe Banega should be placed into the second category, as someone who has overcome his problems and despite his negative experiences, his reaction has been all positive. I see no valid reason why he should be any longer labelled a risk, solely for mistakes that were made in his youth.

Let's face it, if the rest of us were judged by the actions of our teenage years, hardly any of us could be considered any less of a risk than Banega.
 
Ekeke, I've only seen Banega play once and that was against us in the CL. He had just returned from injury if I remember rightly, but I thought Anderson played a lot better than him. He didn't look all that mobile and gave the ball away quite a few times trying to play through balls that just went straight to our defenders.

Was this a one off?
 
pocco said:
Ekeke, I've only seen Banega play once and that was against us in the CL. He had just returned from injury if I remember rightly, but I thought Anderson played a lot better than him. He didn't look all that mobile and gave the ball away quite a few times trying to play through balls that just went straight to our defenders.

Was this a one off?
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No of course not. Anderson was the best player on the pitch, perhaps that was the one off :lol: lets hope not

Banega isnt amazing everytime he plays, few players are. But for 90% of his matches for Valencia in 09/10 he was their man of the match and that includes pre-season. So he can be consistantly excellent even if he does have the odd game where he isnt great like against us where he was decent, still their best midfielder but an opposition midfielder stole the show

Last time his season didnt really start till around the end of 2010 where he played well for Argentina vs. Spain. And in the second half of the season he was once again, arguably, Valencia's best player. Mata continued to be very important for them as he was all season so perhaps you could say he was still better but in my opinion Banega was better for the 2nd half of the season
 
Ekeke, Im convinced... sold... taken by him, whatever way you put it, I want him at united.

Are we going to sign him ekeke, and if not why have you got our hopes up???

Do you think we are interested?
 
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