European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?

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Fox outside the box said:
Will it?

Can people stop just saying this please? Just explain why. Not one person I've read or watched has really made an actual case for this.

All I see is emotional outburst. It's frankly embarrassing how little actual discussion is going on. So many people aren't even bothering debating it. It's really frustrating. It's like wading through a crowded room of grown adults having toddler style tantrums on the floor. Stop being such a bunch of wet wipes and talk about it properly ffs.

Gary Neville has really got a lot of you going. It's scary how easily everyone seems to be lapping up Sky and BT's outrage. I can guarantee you it isn't because they care about the fans.

I suspect I've thought it through a lot more than you so leave the atrwnots at patronising to the side. I'm not saying I'm on board with it but I've at least genuinely contemplated the reasons this could be both good and bad, I don't think for a second that you have.
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agree.

Neville mentioned docking points 5 minutes after hearing this news in an emotional outburst. Nothing wrong with that per se, but now let’s get some perspective - no one is docking points. Football is not dead, and supporters will still watch the team.

the fact that people are invested to come on a forum and state they won’t watch their team ever again says to me that they 100% will once they have calmed down and the games start to get played.

entirely predictable outbursts. I expect I’ll get called a ‘top red’ now…
 
sullydnl said:
Key points to understand is the damage this does to the CL (which will haemorrhage money and status without the best clubs and players) and domestic leagues (which become consequence-less friendlies for the SL clubs once they are out of a title race and offer little more than access to 2nd/3rd rate competitions for the smaller clubs who will increasingly be left behind).
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Teams out of title races wont fare well in a competition of the elite. Money isnt the be all and end all, if a club has the resources and is failing, they will be under incredible pressure to win.
Look at England with 6 super clubs, thats a mini super league on its own. We cant even say thats unfair since everytime a Utd fan complained about City dominance due to money we were told to simply suck it up and get better.
 
balaks said:
What incentive is there for any if these clubs to get top 4 in the league now? They automatically get super League every year nomatter where they end up in the league. Is this really difficult to understand?
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Because winning a league title is still a big deal. The majority of your games are still league games.

Football has become a huge money spinner but the most important people still turn up because they love the game. Managers, players, fans. Managers and players want to be successful, to be remembered as well as possible etc. They will still want to win the league and compete as best they can in Europe, surely?

Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I think there's at least a bit of a middle ground here.
 
Imagine you are Ole, you work so hard, make good progress. All the stress and criticism of managing Man United. You lose 3 semi-finals.

One more Semi Final, you lose because of this.

How can you feel alright with this? It's a disgrace. All that hard work for nothing. It doesn't matter now, take the competition away and go play some glorified friendlies.
 
hobbers said:
I look forward to tuning into Amazon Prime at 2am on Thursday morning to watch the United-Liverpool derby, played at some half empty megastadium on the west coast of America.
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Nah. It'll only take a few years before Inter Miami get a place though.
 
Also, does anyone think some of the weird stuff going on this season with coaches might be related to this?

Like Klopp might have been deflated by this and even if he tried, this might have affected him if he decided he'd leave Liverpool over this (he famously turned us down because we thought we were a joke of a football club).

Similarly, I wonder if the resignation of the Bayern manager is related to this?

This is an absolute planetary event in terms of the football world. In societal terms, it feels as if we had an alien invasion and life has changed forever.

Finally, for anyone saying TV rights would be more affordable now, did that happen with Netflix, Disney+ and AppleTV? Did BT entering the market make it more affordable after they had their customer base built up?
 
Fox outside the box said:
Will it?

Can people stop just saying this please? Just explain why. Not one person I've read or watched has really made an actual case for this.

All I see is emotional outburst. It's frankly embarrassing how little actual discussion is going on. So many people aren't even bothering debating it. It's really frustrating. It's like wading through a crowded room of grown adults having toddler style tantrums on the floor. Stop being such a bunch of wet wipes and talk about it properly ffs.

Gary Neville has really got a lot of you going. It's scary how easily everyone seems to be lapping up Sky and BT's outrage. I can guarantee you it isn't because they care about the fans.

I suspect I've thought it through a lot more than you so leave the atrwnots at patronising to the side. I'm not saying I'm on board with it but I've at least genuinely contemplated the reasons this could be both good and bad, I don't think for a second that you have.
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OK so if half way through the season you're out of the title race domestically, and you're also at the bottom of this super league, what exactly will half of your season be for?
 
dinostar77 said:
Kai Havertz has been quoted as calling this idea a disgrace. We better hear from the two greatest players of our time; Messi and Ronaldo and their condemnation of this. They are the icons of world football, they need to stand up and let their voices be heard.
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The only way this is dead in the water is that for once, just once, all players unite.
 
carvajal said:
Does anyone know/suppose why PSG have not accepted yet?
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All founding clubs have to sign up to a spending framework apparently. That and Bein sports are one of the main sponsors of the CL.

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Pretty sure the 5 spaces for invited teams will end up being auctioned off for at least 1/2 of the spaces. Al-Sadd/Duhail will almost definitely end up paying huge money to play on it one year.


It’s interesting that all ex players are against it, it makes me wonder what the thoughts of current players are. They are already paid huge money and the real aim of the elite players is to win the Champions league. I don’t see that changing to wanting to win a billionaires play league. You cannot fake prestige and history. Golf have tried it with the fedex Cup. The winner gets $15 million whilst for Majors the winner is about $3 million. They’ve thrown huge money in an attempt to make it almost a 5th major. However there is not a single person who would choose a fedex over a major. There is no comparison to winning prestigious and historical events. The Super League would be played more as friendlies than competitive champions league games as the players would just be playing for money essentially.
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Exactly. Anyone who watches the NBA understands this. The regular season is utter dogshit, and nobody takes it seriously because 95% of games don't matter.

The entire 18-25 game group stage will be the same.
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Same as the NFL, regular season sucks ass.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
So I'm a bit confused. Will this be instead of the Champions League? Premier league will be like it was but 6 teams will be playing midweek games in a super league instead of the Champions league?
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No, the Super League will not be recognised by UEFA and will be outside of their administration. The Super League will be a closed shop, with only clubs invited by the founder clubs able to participate. UEFA competitions would continue. The FA says any English clubs involved in the Super League will be suspended from the Premier League.
 
RORY65 said:
Our current team isn't winning this, they didn't even make the knockout stages of the Champions League never mind winning the bloody thing. We have recruited because without it we run the risk of missing out on the top 4, that risk is gone, the incentive to spend the amounts of money to have some chance of winning the thing is not great enough so why not just take the money and finish wherever? Do you really think these owners are in this to win or to maximise profits?

Also there are a big chunk of people in here who have said they won't watch it, viewing figures for football aren't huge anyway so not sure how everyone else in the world will be when most football fans I've seen have dismissed the whole idea.
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Tell you what, I disagree with everything you've said here. It's super negative and it ventures into wider areas such as ownership that I just can't be arsed to get into right now. When all the details come out and we all see this is just another European league format (like the CL but different) and everyone stops losing their shit for no valid reason, we'll revisit this thread and look at the grand over reaction for laughs.
 
Rightnr said:
First, our history is built on beating domestic teams and winning domestic leagues. We don't sing about winning Super Leagues, we sing about '20 times'.

Second, the money will not be reinvested, as we have shown previously, they will go into the Glazers' pockets and if you believe the opposite, I have a bridge to sell you.

Lastly, if you are part of a competition based on your birthright, we are going back hundreds of years in terms of structure of society. This is nothing to do with what football is meant to be and represents for the everyday man. If football was like this from the beginning, it wouldn't have become the most popular sport in the world.

Frankly, your posts sound like a sales pitch.
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Whilst the Glazers fleece us, we aren't exactly not invested in. We spent £80 million quid on a defender. I think you're a little disingenuous to suggest we wouldn't see any benefit what so ever. It may not be enough but I don't expect we'd rely on free transfers.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
you will though. I’m certain all clubs will play in their domestic leagues. I’m not saying it’s right, but we are creatures of habit, and we will continue to watch.
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Once Katy Perry starts performing during the halftime show with sharks twerking in the background and everytime there is a VAR check it would cut to a beer commercial with an Orange shouting whatsup, pretty sure I'll be able to break the habit.
 
Garethw said:
We’d easily be able to afford it, but not with the Glazers in charge.

I cannot believe this is happening. Time to support my local non league team.
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Honestly if we join some shit plastic league I won't care for Manchester United anymore. The club I love will be dead.
 
crossy1686 said:
A lot of dooms day talk based on a rant Sky put out this morning. You don't know any of this but this is the way you've chosen to view the whole event.

I don't want players like Grealish to play for Villa, I want him to play for United and if the transfer fees weren't inflated to feck thanks to PSG and City, we'd probably have him now. Once we're playing SL football, Grealish will cost us about £150m. Why's that? SL tax, everyone knows we have the money. What do you think Villa are going to do with that big windfall? fecking burn it? You work out it and then tell me why the league will be weakened.

This is a very melodramatic picture you've painted but none of it is going to happen.
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They won't get that money because he won't want to stick around in what is now a second rate competition. They will be forced to sell. What will Villa do with the windfall? Buy great players? Will they feck. Nobody will go to these teams as they have no chance of a place at the top table. Nobody will care about the PL when it is meaningless to the bigger teams. You might want to pretend it won't be, but there will be times when teams just write it off completely in the hope of going far in the ESL. They can afford to finish 5th, 6th, 7th or whatever. Give their youth team a run out in the PL if they wanted. Because the men that matter, that only care about money, will make sure they do everything to go far. Even if it means throwing their PL season.
 
To everyone saying “you’ll still watch it”
Actually, no we won’t.
Perhaps viewing figures in Asia will be amazing but I will not pay a single penny any more and I’ve had sky telly for 20+ years and bt sport and anything I’ve needed to watch Utd play as much as possible.
This is such a sad day..............
 
crossy1686 said:
Tell you what, I disagree with everything you've said here. It's super negative and it ventures into wider areas such as ownership that I just can't be arsed to get into right now. When all the details come out and we all see this is just another European league format (like the CL but different) and everyone stops losing their shit for no valid reason, we'll revisit this thread and look at the grand over reaction for laughs.
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Agreed.
 
For the most part I'm against this league but is it bad that I'm kind of enjoying all the soap opera of it all?
 
Chief123 said:
I’ve not seen it mentioned anywhere but the most glaring problem I see with this new league if it does go ahead is the fact that the majority of games in the league will be dead rubbers.

If you have 15 teams in the league guaranteed to remain in the league then any team below the top 3 have literally nothing to play for. If you are not close to winning the super league then all your games are meaningless as you have no rewards or punishments based on how you perform.

At least the premier league has Title, champions league spots, Europa league spots, relegation spots. Etc. Majority of teams in the league have something to play for.

This new league threatens to be an utter shambles.
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It's two groups of 10 with the top 5 in each going further (top 3 directly, other 2 playing knockout between them). No relegation will make it dull, but more than half of the teams will have something to play for.
 
Tapori said:
The only way this is dead in the water is that for once, just once, all players unite.
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I wonder when we'll hear from the players. Surely, if they're against it, it would fold immediately. This could have serious ramifications on existing contracts and upcoming transfer windows.
 
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