Players and managers are just employees. Publicly and aggressively condemning your employer is something you do if you’re willing to walk away. Stop expecting players and managers to come out any say anything more than generic statements.
European Super League
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People expecting the players and managers to take a stand as if they’re the paragons of justice and fairness. A sport in which they are paid astronomical sums to earn moves which pay them even more. Their whole lives revolve around money - does anyone seriously think they’re going to act against their own interests?
It’s the football fans that are going to lose out. The clubs, managers and players that get to be a part of this elitist secret club are going to be absolutely loving it.
Not all will enjoy it, most after everything settles. Plus local fans will lose out, but foreign fans will win once the games go abroad and this thing is expanding to make more money.
The prospect 4x ing his wages looked to really be causing some cognitive dissonance there.
I would guess Americans love it. They're the target audience after all, along with the Chinese, Indians et al who couldn't care less about domestic leagues and just want to see big names extravaganza every week.
I also like American sports, I watch NFL and NBA semiregularly. But I don't love them quite like football and some of it has to do with the way the competitions are organised. Closed competitions always seem so volatile to me, there's no real continuity.
Also all levels of sports in the US are based on and support their prevailing franchise system, whereas here in europe, they absolutely are not. NFL is the only real professional league there, here there are hundreds.
It would be the same if the NFL decided to adopt a European league format from next season onward, while College and below would go on as before. It would cause the same uproar.
still not quite on board with all the outrage. anyone still watching football at this point has been taking it in the mouth since the early 90s. each decision purposely there to push the line a bit further, to find the breaking point. ever increasing ticket prices, every increasing cost of kits and tv subscriptions. “anti-competition” laws to increase costs and funnel money into big wigs pockets. billionaire owners allowed to purchase clubs willy nilly. forced club memberships to give you the chance of getting a match ticket. ticket schemes that force you to buy tickets to matches you can’t attend. all the while wheels being greased, backs being scratched with greedy owners and execs skimming all the money off the top they can. i’m not sure at this stage you can take the dick out of your mouth and claim you don’t like this taste all of a sudden.
They wish. Next few days i expect 100 tweets like this. From non invited clubs....
Why would they wish, they are a big spanish club and have been more important on the continental stage than Tottenham, Arsenal or City.
Good on them, hopefully these protests do make some kind of difference.
Does anyone know what are the legal roadblocks from throwing us out?
I want my face removing from the 40000 faces on banners in Old Trafford. Immediately.
This earn it narrative is funny when PSG, City and Chelsea are in the semis of the CL.
The only thing i hate about this is the automatic qualification, i would rather united dont participate when we dont deserve to. But i personally think that this wont stand in the long term. This super league will eventually mimic the champions league as they would want to include the portugese, turkish, greek teams for their markets etc. I actually hope they review it to make it a qualification process similar to the CL now, to see how UEFA will spin it then.
UEFA have run players into the ground, to milk them for money. Merchandise and tickets are at ridiculous prices. The only reasons the media narrative is so brutally against this is that TV pundits work for stations that have paid fortunes for the rights, then charge us more to enjoy a game on TV.
Football hasn't been a poor man's game in decades.
The only thing i hate about this is the automatic qualification, i would rather united dont participate when we dont deserve to. But i personally think that this wont stand in the long term. This super league will eventually mimic the champions league as they would want to include the portugese, turkish, greek teams for their markets etc. I actually hope they review it to make it a qualification process similar to the CL now, to see how UEFA will spin it then.
UEFA have run players into the ground, to milk them for money. Merchandise and tickets are at ridiculous prices. The only reasons the media narrative is so brutally against this is that TV pundits work for stations that have paid fortunes for the rights, then charge us more to enjoy a game on TV.
Football hasn't been a poor man's game in decades.
You're a weird one. You know, people are trying to do a good thing here and yet you're running your mouth off in this thread all day.
No way. Legally, i doubt that they can do it. They can but will pay penalties for that. To clubs and maybe to tv media and sponsors.
Wut? I take it you mean for gridiron?
What kind of elitist nonsense is this? United, nor any of the top clubs have any god-given right for CL places. I can't believe people think like this.
We should do it too.
Hes allowed to have an opinion.
I think it would be an issue of interpreting the contract which exists between the breakaway six and the PL, and whether and how we have breached any terms which would or could lead to us being thrown out of the league.
Well, that's rather pugnacious of you, wouldn't you say? Provocative and unhelpful ad-hominem does nothing for your latter points.
Perhaps state your point(s), minus the entirely unnecessary personal verbal jousting? I don't know, call me crazy but it pays to be kind.
Those Americans who enjoy European soccer, enjoy it because you get that Cinderella story every once in a while. It's similiar to the NCAA tournament, every now and then, there is that small school that goes on a run, beats a #2, #5 and makes it pretty far. While the CL will often times have the big teams winning, it's the unknown that a smaller club may make a run or may knock a big team out of the tournament.
Definitely. They've been clever when to announce it with the lockdown going on, it makes it very difficult to organise a lawful protest.
I agree, just the next step of cock sucking, we have to swallow the cum now.
And im allowed to call him out on it.
The SL idea is terrible and most people are against it, but UEFA and criticism towards the likes of Neville etc. Is not only valid but needed if we are to improve football as a whole. They have certainly played a part in this mess, and the holier than thou attitude from them is disgusting.
There has been no merit in the league and CL either for a while now. This idea of fairness is just a lie when you dig deeper and it needs to be fixed as well.
I wonder if Woodward will be a major Part of running the super League.
There was some rumours a few months ago that he is leaving United this summer.
If it was to run this thing that would explain everything.
We really need rid of the Glazers or the Government to take away their power with the German rules
There was some rumours a few months ago that he is leaving United this summer.
If it was to run this thing that would explain everything.
We really need rid of the Glazers or the Government to take away their power with the German rules
So if I disagree that taking down some banners is a "good thing" then I'm a weird one?
Whatever you say kiddo.
No doubt about how good Sevilla is. But as i said, who knows who was invited, who turned them off, who wants to go in etc....
Edit: my local club declined offer today for example.
. They had official statementSpare me the typical "market" BS. These are people and collective entities that can't take the burden of their own past mistakes, which have further brought more financial problems to many of those so called "super" clubs, currently caused by the global pandemic and the economic crisis around it.
The fact that they truly have conspired doing all this, lying about it until the very last moment before the announcement, just truly shows the dishonest intents behind the creation of a super league.
It's true that the way football has been progressing, this was always going to pop up at one point as a possibility. It's a further method to commercialise the sport, removing the main core of its' traditional element - the competitive nature and the local community.
Football is global enough already. The big teams have grown way too greedy, their owners have no connection to the actual football club, all they care about is the numbers. So the moment it doesn't make sense, they don't want to share the same playing field as everyone else that they consider inferior. They don't want to allow their own mistakes to be punished and allow other teams, that perform better on significantly lower budgets, to threaten their position on the money source chain. It really shows the power of corporations, hedge funds and wealthy individuals all around the planet, intertwined with a lot of politics and corruption.
At the very least it’s highlighting which posters need to be blocked.
Insulting another member
Call me out on what? You're just being a twat?
Yes, weed out the people that disagree with you. Good riddance.
There are many problems with this concept, but a very blatant one obviously the fact that clubs cant get relegated, they are the "chosen clubs" for as long as this super league exist, thats just so wrong, and if there is nothing at stake its no longer a competition, just content.
Of course the rich clubs have massive advantages as it is, and they win the vast majority of the time, but you still have to produce something to stay where you are, you still have to run the club semi-decently, even big clubs can run into trouble(Milan, Arsenal...) if you fail to do that, but with this super league, that aspect is gone entirely.
Of course the rich clubs have massive advantages as it is, and they win the vast majority of the time, but you still have to produce something to stay where you are, you still have to run the club semi-decently, even big clubs can run into trouble(Milan, Arsenal...) if you fail to do that, but with this super league, that aspect is gone entirely.
You can disregard this but it's a step, if fans will boycott this massively they will notice it
Does no one understand the precarious position that all these players and managers are in?? It's completely different to that, pretty different set of players as well.
I was joking to be fair
Not American but I live here. I am disgusted. Football for me is about promotion/relegation and keep earning the right to be elite through the wins on the pitch. It cannot be compared to the North American version. See how useless the MLS is for example.
Keep mouthing off and being a prick, you’re a disgrace to your club.
Analysis: The PM has set himself against the elite club plans. Here are some ways they could be challenged
While ministers might be united with fans and opposition parties in pledging to oppose a European Super League (ESL) including six English clubs, precisely how that might happen remains unclear for now – and is by no means straightforward. Here are some possible options:
A change to the law
This would pass easily through parliament, with Labour saying it would back emergency legislation to stop Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham breaking away to join the new league.
However, it remains unclear what form a new law would take. One option under consideration is to oblige English football clubs to have the German-style model of ownership by which fans are guaranteed a majority of share ownership, with the only exception in Germany being for people or companies that have invested for 20 or more years continuously.
This would almost certainly stop English clubs joining the new league, with leading German clubs turning down the chance to do so. However, it would also have an impact on the flow of investment into English football, particularly from overseas.
Action under competition rules
This would be based on the argument that the proposed format of the ESL – with 15 “founder” teams guaranteed permanent status and only five clubs taking part on merit each year – amounts to an anti-competitive closed shop. It would be “a theoretical argument to make - but it’s a difficult one”, according to Neil Baylis, a competition lawyer with the law firm Mishcon de Reya.
There is nothing intrinsically illegal about fixed-participant tournaments, for example the Six Nations in rugby union, meaning competition law would only be breached if it could be shown that the ESL was shutting out other teams from significant revenue.
“It’s quite a tough argument to run here,” said Baylis. “It’s not stopping the Premier League from carrying on, and with midweek games it’s deliberately trying not to compete head on with the Saturday afternoon timetable. So it’s far from obvious that everyone [is] going to only want to watch the Super League games.”
If a competition rules route was chosen, this could happen via official regulators such as the UK’s Competition and Markets Authority or its equivalent in countries where other ESL teams are based, or via the courts. With regulatory cases tending to take “months if not years”, the latter seemed more likely, Baylis said.
Complicating matters even further is the fact that ESL teams might themselves have recourse to the same laws if, as threatened, participating teams were thrown out of other competitions, or their players were barred from international tournaments, on the basis that this was an attempt to stifle competition.
The only precedent for any similar cases, Baylis said, had been in far smaller sports – ice skating and showjumping – where organising bodies were challenged for preventing sportspeople from taking part in non-affiliated events.
Removing government support
The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, raised this idea in a Commons statement, saying the government could look at what it does “to facilitate matches, and facilitate those clubs – and looking at whether we should continue to provide that support”.
He did not specify what this might involve, but it could potentially mean, for example, being less willing to grant work permits for overseas players at UK-based ESL teams.
Restricting TV rights
Another potential lever for government could be controlling or restricting television rights, which would be the key income stream for the new league. But again this appears difficult, given the proliferation of TV and web-based streaming options now available.
One official route on televised sport is to add events to the so-called crown jewels, which under Ofcom regulation have to either be shown live or as highlights on free-to-air TV. This list, however, is rarely updated and very limited. For football, aside from the FA Cup final (and the Scottish Cup final on Scottish TV), it covers only the finals of the World Cup and the Euros.
Fan boycotts
Not under the control of government, obviously, but given the almost unanimously negative response from fans to the idea of the ESL, it is always possible that its undoing is something much less formal: a realisation among teams tempted to sign up that this could tarnish their brands for years, and shed far more money in customer boycotts than is gained via TV rights.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...per-league-what-can-boris-johnson-do-about-it
While ministers might be united with fans and opposition parties in pledging to oppose a European Super League (ESL) including six English clubs, precisely how that might happen remains unclear for now – and is by no means straightforward. Here are some possible options:
A change to the law
This would pass easily through parliament, with Labour saying it would back emergency legislation to stop Manchester City, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham breaking away to join the new league.
However, it remains unclear what form a new law would take. One option under consideration is to oblige English football clubs to have the German-style model of ownership by which fans are guaranteed a majority of share ownership, with the only exception in Germany being for people or companies that have invested for 20 or more years continuously.
This would almost certainly stop English clubs joining the new league, with leading German clubs turning down the chance to do so. However, it would also have an impact on the flow of investment into English football, particularly from overseas.
Action under competition rules
This would be based on the argument that the proposed format of the ESL – with 15 “founder” teams guaranteed permanent status and only five clubs taking part on merit each year – amounts to an anti-competitive closed shop. It would be “a theoretical argument to make - but it’s a difficult one”, according to Neil Baylis, a competition lawyer with the law firm Mishcon de Reya.
There is nothing intrinsically illegal about fixed-participant tournaments, for example the Six Nations in rugby union, meaning competition law would only be breached if it could be shown that the ESL was shutting out other teams from significant revenue.
“It’s quite a tough argument to run here,” said Baylis. “It’s not stopping the Premier League from carrying on, and with midweek games it’s deliberately trying not to compete head on with the Saturday afternoon timetable. So it’s far from obvious that everyone [is] going to only want to watch the Super League games.”
If a competition rules route was chosen, this could happen via official regulators such as the UK’s Competition and Markets Authority or its equivalent in countries where other ESL teams are based, or via the courts. With regulatory cases tending to take “months if not years”, the latter seemed more likely, Baylis said.
Complicating matters even further is the fact that ESL teams might themselves have recourse to the same laws if, as threatened, participating teams were thrown out of other competitions, or their players were barred from international tournaments, on the basis that this was an attempt to stifle competition.
The only precedent for any similar cases, Baylis said, had been in far smaller sports – ice skating and showjumping – where organising bodies were challenged for preventing sportspeople from taking part in non-affiliated events.
Removing government support
The culture secretary, Oliver Dowden, raised this idea in a Commons statement, saying the government could look at what it does “to facilitate matches, and facilitate those clubs – and looking at whether we should continue to provide that support”.
He did not specify what this might involve, but it could potentially mean, for example, being less willing to grant work permits for overseas players at UK-based ESL teams.
Restricting TV rights
Another potential lever for government could be controlling or restricting television rights, which would be the key income stream for the new league. But again this appears difficult, given the proliferation of TV and web-based streaming options now available.
One official route on televised sport is to add events to the so-called crown jewels, which under Ofcom regulation have to either be shown live or as highlights on free-to-air TV. This list, however, is rarely updated and very limited. For football, aside from the FA Cup final (and the Scottish Cup final on Scottish TV), it covers only the finals of the World Cup and the Euros.
Fan boycotts
Not under the control of government, obviously, but given the almost unanimously negative response from fans to the idea of the ESL, it is always possible that its undoing is something much less formal: a realisation among teams tempted to sign up that this could tarnish their brands for years, and shed far more money in customer boycotts than is gained via TV rights.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...per-league-what-can-boris-johnson-do-about-it
Yes, I see Bayern Munich require a new manager next season - hmm...
Quality control
And you are the pride of all scousers with that language.
Shut up man, let people have different opinions.