European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?

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Let's say the ESL establishes itself away from FIFA/UEFA, what kinda football rule will they follow ? I mean for offsides, handballs etc etc.
It could be a totally different football
 
bond19821982 said:
Again, can someone explain how do you think this will impact PL ? From what I read, this is purely hitting UEFA.

Yes, it's monopoly of 6 teams trying to grab huge money from outside but they aren't doing anything impacting the PL though ?
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I was torn on it this morning but im on the cant let it happen side now but 6 teams who are able to duke it out with capped City is better than the 1 club domination we see today. Its the 1 argument in this that falls down. In a few decades only Leicester have gotten into CL over these 6 clubs.
 
LoneStar said:
I think this is just the big clubs trying to get UEFA to change some rules in their favor. Surely they would know that it would lead to massive opposition, politics and otherwise. This is how I see it ending, with UEFA making some compromises and changing some rules on FFP and whatnot.

But, in the small chance that this will happen, let's not be naive. There might be protests initially, but it would end up being a massive commercial success for the teams involved and their owners.
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That is what history suggests, since something like this gets done every decade or so, and usually results in UEFA making some concessions and reforms to keep them in. This one feels different because there wasn't much buildup besides the announcement last year, and now it feels like they are trying to bulldoze their way through the criticism. I'm guessing the pandemic also played a key role in this somehow.
 
LoneStar said:
I think this is just the big clubs trying to get UEFA to change some rules in their favor. Surely they would know that it would lead to massive opposition, politics and otherwise. This is how I see it ending, with UEFA making some compromises and changing some rules on FFP and whatnot.

But, in the small chance that this will happen, let's not be naive. There might be protests initially, but it would end up being a massive commercial success for the teams involved and their owners.
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I think we are too far gone at this point for it to be some sort of play.
 
red4ever 79 said:
Bayern already released official statement on their website today saying nope
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Dortmund as well. But that's what they have to do in this situation if they want to survive the next member's meeting. We will see what happens if the authorities can not kill ESL in its cradle. When you have the option to either sign the contract or get marginalize the perspective might change.
 
UnitedSofa said:
I really can't see this happening. UEFA would stand to lose too much money (regardless of the clubs fortunes) UEFA would lose so much money.

Plus it's unfair on the players who have worked so hard to get there, most of which are the fringe players for Man Utd.
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Couldnt really care less about those clubs to be honest.
 
stepic said:
don't understand why anyone would think this. the clubs still want to compete in their domestic leagues. as they should. that won't change. it's only the top 4 race that gets messed up, the one most people criticise clubs like Arsenal for celebrating.
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There is now at the very least 18 ESL group games, without even mentioning the knockouts. 3x as many games as the UCL. They will be playing weakened squads in the PL every other week.

The PL becomes a second rate competition that is in the way more than anything.
 
Ixion said:
Not convinced about that. Every country will still be there, every nation supported like always. There have been plenty of World Cups where a big team didnt qualify and big names were missing.
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Different this time round though as it's more than just 1 major team which won't have all their big name players.
 
GatoLoco said:
It's all about power. If the FA tells those clubs they won't be playing in their competitions they will have to accept everything that comes after that as well, which is far less money for the many employers that would be left in the whole thing.

Are they willing to accept that? If they do, they will have my admiration, but at the end of the day it's money what makes the world go round.
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Agree, and I hope they do tell them that's the way it is. If you want my honest opinion domestic European football would be much, much more competitive without the bigger 2-3 clubs in each league.
 
Drifter said:
Speak for yourself. Which you are doing.
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Yes. That's all anyone can do..

Based on the fact that audiences outside of England only really watch the teams in the Super League I know who I'd bet on to be more commercially viable so I'm comfortable with my opinion.
 
Can you see almost the entire starting XI for England being banned from Euros and World Cup?
 
UnitedSofa said:
I really can't see this happening. UEFA would stand to lose too much money (regardless of the clubs fortunes) UEFA would lose so much money.

Plus it's unfair on the players who have worked so hard to get there, most of which are the fringe players for Man Utd.
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They also stand to lose a lot of money if they do nothing. One solution is going down defenseless and the other with a shred of dignity
 
Dr. StrangeHate said:
If I understand correctly all American sports are like this. How do they keep it interesting?
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With the exception of baseball they all have hard salary caps to prevent big clubs from hoarding players. All leagues have drafts, where the worst teams are awarded the opportunity to draft the best young players. Finally, trades happen, but players can not be sold (well, not really, but there are sometimes "cash considerations"). Overall it means no one team is continually dominant except through being run well. Well, at least in theory.
 
Infra-red said:
This will surely be a deal breaker with many players. Will the likes of Ronaldo, De Bruyne, Sterling, Pogba, Bruno, Salah, Van Dijk, Kane etc really agree to play in this new league if it means never playing for their countries ever again?
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When they are being paid 2-300k more per week than playing for other clubs? Definitely.

Not that many players can play for PSG
 
Berbaclass said:
There is now at the very least 18 ESL group games, without even mentioning the knockouts. 3x as many games as the UCL. They will be playing weakened squads in the PL every other week.

The PL becomes a second rate competition that is in the way more than anything.
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guess we will have to wait and see. i imagine there will be larger squads to compensate, but i still think clubs will still want to win the league. i mean, the SL is going to be incredibly tough to win. clubs still want to win stuff.
 
Zaphod2319 said:
Can you see almost the entire starting XI for England being banned from Euros and World Cup?
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No.

There'll be some sort of law preventing it from happening, the Court of Arbitration for Sport would stop it.
 
Mickeza said:
What? Bruno played the second leg when we were 4-0 up. And yes, Ole never rests players. That’s my point.
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:lol: I can’t get into that game again sorry.

the fact that you even argue that the result didn’t matter is enough for me.
Every game we have entered this year so far has been competitive and the result has mattered. I can’t believe it’s being argued otherwise.

it will not be like like that with a closed league waiting at the end of the year. It’s totally pointless and against the spirit of the game those 6 remaining in the league. The only reason they would be kept in the league is due to money.
 
stepic said:
don't understand why anyone would think this. the clubs still want to compete in their domestic leagues. as they should. that won't change. it's only the top 4 race that gets messed up, the one most people criticise clubs like Arsenal for celebrating.
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And when Liverpool or City are walking the league by 30 points what will the other teams be fighting for again? Pride to finish 2nd?
 
Ixion said:
Multiply it by 100 when the results of the League have absolutely no bearing. At least when teams had to finish top 4 there was something to fight for. There will be no benefit for Spurs to finish 3rd or 13th. They'll still get their games with Madrid the next season, that is not the case right now.
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I hear what you're saying mate I don't like this whole thing. But football existed before the top 4 race. What did teams who weren't winning the league play for before 4 teams were allowed into the CL? What did they play for when only 2 teams got into Europe? What did they play for before European football was even a thing?

What do teams who are safe from relegation but unlikely to qualify for Europe play for every season?
 
Do you actually think they do care at all?

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kouroux said:
Let's say the ESL establishes itself away from FIFA/UEFA, what kinda football rule will they follow ? I mean for offsides, handballs etc etc.
It could be a totally different football
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For the first time I suspect you to be under the influence of Khat. :lol:
 
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