Some cracking thoughts there gentlemen. Plenty of stuff to keep Farage going as well. (and Nick).
I'll be taking some time away from politics actually. I'd spend it with my family but they'd likely find it too annoying. :smirk
And whilst we have far too many appointees in the House of Lords at present, an entirely elected second chamber is not something which fills me with joy.
Meanwhile, in the real world...
We pay tens of billions of pounds to a project in which we don't believe, and one whose interests conflict with our own. Moreover, our ability to influence the agenda to something more favourable is only likely to worsen in the years ahead. Cameron and Osborne have been eager to make predictions about Brexit, but what of the European Union in 2030?
Remain has offered no workable reform agenda or positive vision for the EU, only more of the same. If such is the electorate's wish i must come to accept that reality (albeit with deep regret), for i can't suppose that we'll have another referendum this side of 2050.
This is even wishier and washier than I anticipated. You're addressing the one topic that could win the vote for Leave and offering absolutely nothing.
More apprenticeships and training might or might not be a good idea but we don't need to leave the EU to bring that in. Sorry to say it comes across as an argument born of desperation.
Apparently you're happy to accept the Norway model of agreement, free movement and all, which is honest but takes the whole topic of immigration right out of the Leave argument. Good luck with what remains.
I can no more endorse an unsustainable sudden decline in immigration than i can the folly of unmanaged immigration which we have at present. The object will be to reduce immigration, i think i made that fairly clear, but successive governments have spent two decades creating this situation and it can't be reversed over night. There will always be a need for migrant labour and we shouldn't be afraid of that, however the disregard shown to certain sectors of the economy (construction for example) has been wilfully negligent.
The point about apprenticeships and training was to highlight the need for a coherent strategy, as a successful fall in immigration will require work on the country's part. Yet this will matter little if big businesses can still take the cheaper option and hire in eastern Europeans at will. We need to be able to instil a feeling of necessity but in a way that affords adaptability. And provided that the Government enforces its intended increases to the minimum wage, some jobs in the service sector will be more appealing to Britons already here.
But as i have stated previously, i do believe that a form of freedom of movement could still exist in a Brexit scenario.We might ask for the option of controls if the weight of numbers is thought to be too high, however i don't see that as unattainable.
Thanks very much for that, I appreciate hearing from someone sensible regarding brexit. Most the people I've heard from on Facebook etc have just been right wing idiots who just don't like immigrants.
So in terms of direct impact on the average man you're saying an improvement in public services. As another poster mentioned above, this worries me with a tory government as they are clearly hellbent on privatising everything to benefit the wealthy. I fear if we brexit and retain the conservatives any chance of a more equal society will be scuppered for decades.
A lot of the other things you mention again sound ideological and will have little direct impact on your average joe.
Governments are cyclical though: it was only six years ago that Labour left office and that followed three terms in power. What is done with the money saved and the sovereignty returned, will change as the government does. Although Mozza let his anti-Tory sentiment influence his thinking a little too much IMO; more likely, is that the Government would look at regeneration projects (in addition to public services that is). Something...noticeable.
There is also growing dissatisfaction with the party leadership, both on the part of backbenchers and long standing voters. I suspect that they are building up resentment comparable to Labour in Scotland, risking a very similar outcome over time.
Out of interest, which points did you believe were ideological concerns rather than practical ones?
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