I actually think that isn't true.
You get idiots sure, but they are going to remain idiots no matter what
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You get idiots sure, but they are going to remain idiots no matter what
No its not. What a ridiculous thing to say.
a lady working in my local council seems pretty confident that Remain will win. There's a huge turn out, I'm led to believe.
You haven't been on Facebook then
The housing issue is complex. Successive governments have underinvested in housing, failing to build the housing stock needed to keep up with demand. There is space to do so in this country, but not the political will - ironically due in part to the EU and the Common Agricultural Policy. As the CAP is a subsidy for land (not for growing crops), there is no incentive for farmers and landowners (and the majority of farmland in the UK is owned by multinational companies) to sell the land, or give it up for housing. And this is not just housing. There has been underinvestment in roads, services, and other areas, again in part due to austerity, which has exacerbated the problem. In short, even if all immigrants left tomorrow, there would remain huge issues to do with the funding and provision of local services.
Regardless of the outcome of the referendum I believe that Farage and UKIP are strengthened.
I think and hope it will be similar to the Scottish Ref. Lots of Blow and Bluster for the leave campaign, shouting loudest, doing well in polls etc.
However that is in part because their campaign is all about shouting, it doesn't factor the many many people who will quietly go about voting remain to preserve their status quo.
Also people who claim to be leave will shit themselves a bit and vote remain.
I hope so anyway, though the whole process has made me totally disenfranchised with our entire political landscape, and I have a pretty high tolerance for totally inept politics being from N.I.
However that is in part because their campaign is all about shouting, it doesn't factor the many many people who will quietly go about voting remain to preserve their status quo.
Also people who claim to be leave will shit themselves a bit and vote remain.
I hope so anyway, though the whole process has made me totally disenfranchised with our entire political landscape, and I have a pretty high tolerance for totally inept politics being from N.I.
Holding a popular referendum that claims to protect the sovereignty of our parliament is ridiculous enough that the whole thing should have been scrapped. However, I've voted anyway.
Undoubtedly.
He'll carry on being an odious wanker and profit either way.
He's the Alan Pardew of politics.
That's not how the working class see it.
Again, the working class don't see it that way. They see immigrants getting council houses whilst they struggle to get a 3 bedroom house with a family of 6.
@ThierryHenry removed the other thread due to potential legal issues (see here). Will make a fresh (anonymous) thread at 10pm when polls have closed but we know how the caf is likely to vote anyway.
It is when we have all been dead for millions of years and every trace of us have disappeared as an extinction level event has wiped out the human race for thousands of years.
What they see is irrelevant. It's not reflective, it's biased and only takes into account the things they want to see.
Oh, God, he's discovered A level philosophy.
The way the Sun tells them to see it?
Our benefits system is a joke, we've created an unparalleled sense of entitlement.
A frightening thought for the Uk, I still can't get over the fact the the UK is represented by idiots like this in the EU parliament and then wonder why they're not truly represented
Hope you are right!
Of course it's true. A huge majority of the people who vote leave today are doing it because of immigration, because they are terrified of the refugee crisis... fecking idiots don't realise that even whilst in the EU, the UK has taken in hardly any refugees whilst German's and Sweden (also EU countries) are in the hundred of thousands.
There should be an IQ test for this sort of vote.
That's human nature though. If our life is bad and we see other people coming in and having better lives then us, we assume they are the problem.
No. Just Nihilism. Makes life easier to deal with.
So not only could you be skint if Leave win but you could spend 6 months in jail as well, oh happy days!
Hopefully the flooding will keep the baby boomers at home.
That can't be right. Liverpool fans boycott the Sun, no?
I think this is certainly the case with a lot of people my parents age. Both of mine were leaning leave but in the last couple of days have decided not to go with the unknown, my boss has done the same too.
So does morphine but neither help much with sensible political debate.
I hope that's the case too. Although asking around and on Facebook suggest it's very even.
And the British empire is centuries of years old. Humanity millennia. Dinosours millions of years of existence. Yet still there is little trace of them now as there will be of us in millions of years. Everything will still go on like normal in the universe.
Council houses which were sold off since the 1970's and not replaced. Also, 'immigrants' are a broad class, often mashed together with asylum seekers, and often councils have to house asylum seekers under the law, which leads to people viewing them as immigrants who have queue jumped.
People do see things the way you say. That, above all else, is a massive failure of political parties who have taken examples, turned them into trends and happily blamed foreigners for their own failings. Immigration is one of the reasons why the UK economy has been growing. No party is going to oppose immigration because business is in favour of it as well. We do not have the education system (or University system) yet to produce the high skilled employees the economy needs. We also do not have the workforce to do the fruit picking and shellfish harvesting the farming/agriculture/fisheries sector needs.
Some people don't seem mature enough to vote.
It doesn't change that it's wrong.
WUM.
Of course. Let's be honest, at least 20% of those voting out are racist bigots, because there are so many racist bigots in this country. 30% are older people who prefer the way things were before and never were entirely happy with this EU nonsense. 20% are intellectuals who want more than the EU can give them. And the other 30% make up a mixture of 'patriots' and maybe the uninformed.
But the question was, are people more informed now? And the answer is definitely yes. Not from the Leave and Remain campaigns, but from the background discussion.
Yes, but whilst I am here I would prefer to enjoy existing, rather than have a life which is poor, nasty, brutish and short.
That's another good point. Immigrants, asylum seekers and refugees are all classed as the same by the working class.
Given that the flooding is in London, there could be a chance it depresses the Remain vote.
I don't think Facebook is ever going to be a great indicator. It's the natural stomping ground of the moron.
Yes- you must have seen that we send business and political delegations over to China and India etc...to try and woo them for trade. We should be looking to strengthen these deals regardless of whether we are in or out tbh. They just take years of negotiation.
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