I wonder who the next of our young players will start to shine under ETH, Diallo ?
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are joined by special guest Anders (@Lyng) to celebrate the news that ETH is staying put! They also talk about the Euros so far, with special attention on England, Scotland and Denmark. They then finish with some transfer talk and the potential comings and outgoings at Old Trafford.
I thought I understood you, but disagreed. Now I’m not sure I even understand.
Are you saying that winning the relatively weak Dutch league with Ajax, by far the biggest Dutch club, is as impressive as winning the stronger German league against Bayern, by far Germany's biggest club? If so, how have you arrived at that conclusion?
Also, are you saying that 23/24 wasn't United's worst PL campaign? If so, once again, what has lead you to believe that?
Sigh. That was over 30 years ago. Football has moved on since then. Can we please stop using this lazy argument.
Also, Bournemouth and Palace? Really? How can you be concerned about them and also think that ETH is the man for the job?!?
If he isn't just a slightly polished Weghorst, I can imagine that working out well. Problem is I've little to no faith in ETH's ability to assess that, so really hope he's not the focal point of our interest.
I really don't think it needs to be explained why, does it?
Palace in particular have a strong team. Their front 3 is probably better than ours.
At some point even the naysayers will have to accept he ll be here for next season (barring a contract agreement ofc) and we can go back to also criticizing the players, the clubs management, and leaky OT roof.
Why do these things need to be mutually exclusive?
There's more than enough blame to go around for the sorry state of the club
Thread ban him mate. That'll show him.
No its not.
They just have a really good manager now, they looked pants under Vieira and Woy.
I know its all about Glasner right now but people get carried away too easily now. 10 good games and overreactions start.
I have seen alot of managers have new manager bounce, hell I saw it at United with Ole.
If Fulham thrash us in the home opening match, questions about the manager’s management would be warranted.
If ten Hag gets us relegated we'd need to have a serious think about whether he should be offered a new contract.
Eze, Olise... I'd definitely take them both. Mateta v Hojlund, don't know, Mateta looked awesome towards the end of last season.
He won't get us relegated and barring a comfortable top 4 finish next season he's not getting a new deal if he signs one this year.
No they wouldn't. It's one game.
You should've heard the palace fans on talksport raving about viera ,after his appointment , he's different level to woy , you can see the patterns etc etc . 1 year later the same guys were phoning in calling him a clown begging for woy back .
Glasner may well end up good , the real work that has happened at Palace has been done by Dougie Freedman in recruitment . They have good aged players who have the ability to take palace to a higher level .
I think maybe not, his style won't work well in the Championship. Mourinho will be a better choice.
Because you make it sound like it’s my every post
Why are you even thinking or potentially worrying about the opening game already? are you ok?
Because he is a United fan and that will be United's next official game? Why should it be weird to think about that?
It's June 19th, it's what two months away? We don't have a clue what our squad will even look like, and instead of looking at it as an exciting fresh start, it's a negative slant. I for one am exhausted from the mood on here, and I wanted Ten Hag out!
So You would take Mateta over Hojlund because he looked good for 6 months?
So... not never? Is all this just a language issue? Would explain a lot of your other posts. Like when you say ETH at the end of his Ajax term was more highly regarded than Klopp at the end of his Dortmund tenure, you mean the opposite?One match isn't an entire season.Never?
Exactly. I see alot of fans talking about us being fickle and what not but look at everyone raving about Palace, the players after a dozen few games.
The Recruitment is where they have exceled, look at the players, Guehi, Anderson, Wharton, Ollise, Eze. Its all to do with that.
I'm tired of this. You just keep repeating the same thing over and over with zero arguments to anything you say and whenever countered just reply "he-he, i don't understand you", then you continue as usualYou can't just try to re-write what an upgrade is
You don't know what you're talking about. No, Ajax isn't by far the biggest club. Yes, historically they are the most successful, but in the past 20 years they've lost the league way more than they have won it. In fact, in 18 years they have only won the title 6 times prior to ETH, 4 with him and 0 after him. 10 in 24 years in total. In contrast Bayern has won the titles 17 times in the past 24 years. But the thing is Bayern's dominance didn't really come until Heynckes where they won like 10 straight titles. Before that they were trading the leagues. What Klopp did was impressive, but perspective is important here. I don't think Klopp, and as I said I do believe he is the best manager in the world, would have ever won the title if he had to compete with Heynckes or Guardiola's Bayern.
What leads me to believe that is that in the 2013/2014 campaign we went from champions to 7th and utterly got trashed by every team in the league with none of the excuses or outside issues ETH had to dfeal with. We became a laughing stock of the world. In comparison our last season wasn't anything really out of the ordinary compared to what we have had in the past 10 years. Is it really that much worse compared to Mourinho's last season meltdown or Ole/Rangnick season? It's the same shit, only difference is that ETH didn't really take a well functioning team in the first place. Prior to ETH we finished 6th with even less points and I still wouldn't count that season as worse than the Moyes one.
I think it's pretty clear what I meant and in relation to what. It's not my problem your epic "gotcha" moment is singling out one match when it was obvious that I was talking about league team performance as a whole, not whether someone bottled a match.
Excellent save. They only collapsed in the most important match of their season and not in other games.
Yeah I would say Mateta is the better player currently. Hojlund might have the potential to become better than him though.
So he is better because of 3 good months
Better form is all what's relevant when we talk about potential results in the first matches next season. Of course a lot of transfer activity will happen until then and there is no guarantee that Crystal Palace can keep their momentum in the new season, but if they do, they absolutely are a tough to beat team. I really don't get why @Sarni gets so much trouble for that opinion.So he is better because of 3 good months
I mean that goes for every team in the PL.. keep momentum and if they do they are tough to beat, applies to literally every team.
There is 6 months evidence of Mateta Olisse Eze playing up top and people getting carried away.
Did they win 4 with Ten Hag though?
I’m doing great. How are you doing these days?
The opening game is, by definition, coming up very quickly. Last summer we all saw the shambles of our horrific preseason form, which many of us worried was an omen of the horrific season ahead, which came to pass as predicted. It’s not an axiomatic certainty that a poor preseason will be followed by a poor season, but a poor preseason is never a good thing.
I was in the ETH in camp, but the ETH outers had a strong argument. Except for the FA Cup final, there were no discernible tactics in our play and we got punked by the likes of Fulham and Palace and squeaked out undeserved wins over the likes of Wolves. What was served up last season cannot be served up again and if we’re struggling out of the gate, the squad will be wrecked psychologically.
You say I don't know what I'm talking about... but don't actually refute any of my points.
- Eredivise is a weaker league than the Bundesliga.
- Ajax are the biggest club in the Netherlands.
- Bayern are the biggest club in Germany
23/24 was United's worst PL season. 13/14 may have made you feel subjectively worse, but that says more about how great SAF was than it does about how the team fared. United finished 8th (their worst ever PL finish) and - as you yourself have said - were lucky to do so.
- Worst league position
- Worst points total
- Worst goal difference
- Worst performances
He's ETH out he's just taking the piss.
If something terrible happens it will be terrible. Excellent analysis.
On the flip side if we hammer everyone it'll be great.
Great thread this.
His total goal haul after his purple patch looks respectable. In his previous 3 seasons he scored 1, 7 and 2 goals.