Please I beg of you, cut it out.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are joined by special guest Anders (@Lyng) to celebrate the news that ETH is staying put! They also talk about the Euros so far, with special attention on England, Scotland and Denmark. They then finish with some transfer talk and the potential comings and outgoings at Old Trafford.
We are notoriously known to be one of the most hated fanbases in the game. There is a minority of our fanbase can understand why - seem to be happy if we fail to prove they were right.
There are a lot of “ten haag out fans” who wouldn’t mind us struggling at the start of the season and that culture is rotten
There are a lot of “ten haag out fans” who wouldn’t mind us struggling at the start of the season and that culture is rotten
Well, since you ask, I’m probably more inclined to sulk
Apart from that, it seems that the PR Agency is the real problem here.
Got any posts that back up that claim?
Not sure what you mean. I’ve said I’m not going to do my routine anymore and I’m not, the above is a normal comment. We have some very challenging fixtures to start the league and people should manage their expectations, especially if we take more than we should to bring new players in. 6 points is obviously extreme as we are capable of getting more but if we are struggling come August-September context should be taken into consideration.
if we are struggling in September this place will be on fire and the media frenzy will be at an all time high.
Erik Ten Hag has to ensure the team are set up and coached properly to start the league campaign strong otherwise he is finished.
As it should. 3rd season in, there are no "freshman" or "not his squad" excuses.
well I know a couple people who genuinely hate ETH and would love to be proven right, so their must be plenty. Also just have a look on Twitter/fan channels and you’ll see a lot of it.
Yep completely agree.
Seems like spinning the wheel of excuses for this season gives "difficult starting fixtures".
I dont really use twitter anymore. United fans on there seem completely unhinged. Most fan channels I have seen are very pro Ten Hag. The only one that is Ten Hag out is Terrence from the Football Terrace but he has said he wants Ten Hag to prove him wrong, much like most the Ten Hag out people I have seen on here.
I offer "No proper preseason post euros".
Don't forget we still don't have FDJ, and you can't play good football without FDJ.
Actually this one might no longer be valid since ETH stumbled upon Mainoo.
So that'll be a no then. Just try counting to ten in future.
Yes agree with this. He has a season left anyway and the longer it went on the more power goes to Ratcliffe in a deal to keep TH
Exactly
From 8th to 7th or even 5th isn't an upgrade. That's beside the point that I don't agree that Tuchel is an upgrade whatsoever nor do I believe he can be a long-term manager here. A slight bump to top 4 with zero trophies then a complete collapse in the second season in which he goes out guns blazing and we're right back to square one.
Monetary reasons is a nonsensical argument since ETH is in the last year of his contract and it certainly wouldn't really cost that much to sack him. Not to mention he is apparently discussing a new contract.
Facts & stats don't say I'm wrong. In fact I'd argue ETH was in a better position than Klopp. Klopp left Dortmund at an all time low, ETH left Ajax at an all time high. It's as simple as that. You still harp about Klopp being more accomplished yet stats don't back you up, yet you conviniently use stats to showcase how this was supposedly our worst season ever. Hypocrisy at its finest.
You don't have to engage because you don't have any arguments that support your notion.
I'm just using your logic. You used stats as the be all end all of why the last season is our worst, which is a complete nonsense, and you refuse to budge from it because... well, looking at the numbers is all that matters. You continue to spout that last season was our worst campaign ever which is completely nonsensical. And I tried to explain to you why and you keep repeating the same thing over and over without anything to back it up (except just looking at the stats). But apparently same stats don't really appeal to you when it comes to the ETH/Klopp post-Ajax/Dortmund argument. Then they are unimportant.
You can keep repeating this over and over again until the cows come home. Won't make it true.
One match isn't an entire season.Never?
We “didn’t have a DoF in place. It’s not fair to judge him until there is a complete structure in place”
“there are no other managers on the market”
"Southgate is out of job now. Can't give INEOS the chance to hire him, even if its the minimal of chances based on random speculations. So what can you do? You can't fire ETH!"
You can't just try to re-write what an upgrade is
It's a very simple notion. I don't know why you're struggling with it.It's not an argument. It's a possibility, a real one, to highlight the fact that we don't know the reasons as to why the club decided to stick with him. Sacking him and his staff would incur costs, as it would hiring a new manager and their staff. The fact you need your hand held through this is ridiculous; I also presented the possibility that they could genuinely believe he's the best for the club at the moment. Ultimately, we don't know. And again, the wisdom of the decision is yet to be determined. A contract renewal is also not surprising to anyone here since the decision is seemingly to stick with him.
You're spiralling. Klopp was more accomplished than Ten Hag by the time he left Dortmund. Again, you have options - you can make a new thread with a poll, or ask others in this thread. If people agree with you then that's that, I'm not making a commitment to that craziness.
Ultimately though, last season was our worst prem campaign ever, and Ten Hag presided over it. Harsh realities you need to come to terms with.
“We wanted modern football”
We will see if you are the same if we finish 7th next season cause that would be an upgrade right?You can't just try to re-write what an upgrade is
I think TsuWave is saying that you can improve performance without needing a "higher tier" manager. This shouldn't be controversial as it is how football clubs generally operate.
But we wont improve with Tuchel if you talk performances. Bayern, PSG are examples of that.
The Zirkzee interest has ETH's paws all over it.
I don’t think whatever happens on here should really matter to INEOS or ETH. Matchgoing fans are likely going to stand firmly behind him anyway and this is what is felt first, online sentiment can be ignored.
Well it all depends on where the squad is. If we fail to address key issues by August, which seems entirely plausible with limited budget and no structure in place yet, that will also impact how we start the season.
There are some glaring weaknesses that need to be addressed. It’s a team that finished 8th last year and arguably it was higher than we deserved too. Many of the teams around us are going to improve, get healthier, get better players in. Bournemouth and Palace both finished below us last year but were actually better towards the second half of season so could be in contention.
And Branthwaite too
"If we can't get de jong we have to look for those qualities within the club and develop them "
Who said that ? I'll give you a clue , he's bald .
Stumble across ? He told us he was looking for that type of skillset .
If you think that mainoo was an inevitability , too good not to be noticed. I'd disagree . It all depends who is looking and the qualities they are looking for .
Jose didn't look for those qualities to develop , he looked for a big lad with presence in mctominay .
To find something , you need to know what you're looking for .
There's plenty to dump on ETH for without resorting to downplaying something he definitely got right .
SAF finished 12th in his third season and won nothing.
Are you one of those who wanted to sack Sir Alex?
Why? Because he's dutch? This is a lazy correlation. Zirkzee has had a good season and was a big reason Bologna played so well so everyone can see why we'd be after him. He's a perfect option to dovetail with Hojlund as he offers something different and can play with Hojlund if needed too. Imagine 20 mins to go we need a goal and can have those two on the pitch. We didn't have that option last season. We haven't since Cavani was here with Martial on fire too.
Do you believe that the situation now is the same as then?
Do you believe that EtH has the same role and skills as SAF?
If you answer yes to both questions, than your comparison makes sense.
But it would also show that you have no idea what you are talking about.
"The Structure is still not in place. Cant judge anything until Ashworth has signed the entire squad"
"The euros have caused burnout for all our key players."
"Shaw is still crocked."
"Ineos sabotaged him in the summer review and now the players aren't following him."
"Wilcox is undermining his philosophy and training methods"
"We didnt sign the players he asked for"/"We stupidly signed the players he asked for which is in no way his fault"
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Ffs stop disrespecting the great man for an average manager who achieved feck all in grand scheme of things.
Thank you.
You both have plenty of good points which makes good sense. Especially regarding the club structure and noise around non footballing thing in and around the club the last couple of years.
The problem for me is that the bigger issues at the club doesn't make up for the; in my book, horrible season we just had with him as a manager from a footballing perspective. His performance was in my opinion on a far to low level to justify keeping him here for another season, and he didn't show me any signs it will be better next season. The underlying numbers are just too bad, too bad to putt on the injuries and non football noise around the squad and club. Which I have posted many posts about in this thread with stats, comparisons, arguements etc. Having more than one problem at club doesn't justify keeping a manager who is not doing a good enough job.
If I believed he could do a good job here next season I wouldn't be against keeping him here, but I fear it will damage the club and squad further to keep him. I will be very sursprised if ETH still has a job here in January.
Any chance of you not posting like a newbie or a full time troll? There is enough shite polluting the thread as is.
The numbers, stats I agree look very bad on him and were very bad, no one is sugar coating that.
What I will say though is, I dont think no one says its making up for the bad season, the fact that INEOS actually went and looked for an alternative suggest even they were not happy with the season, which I hope was communicated to Ten Hag.
What does it say about the candidates that a poor performance Ten Hag is making a bigger impact in interviews than the other candidates?
Its all well and good sacking a manager but spending £10m to sack him and another £6/7m to get another manager in which you are not convinced about is not the way to go either.
INEOS probably looked at it and thought.. is there a chance if we keep Ten Hag we sack him by next season? answer is yes
Is there a possibility or hiring Di Zerbi / Tuchel and sacking them by next season? Answer is yes too.
We have to also be fair, if we are looking at Ten Hag last season being really poor, Tuchel and Di Zerbi were worse for their respective clubs too.
Then, imagine sacking 2 managers in 1 season, INEOS will start having a hire/ fire reputation, which I am sure they are trying to avoid.
I wasn’t convinced either way, but then I was a teenager at the time
Why are you singling me out for that comment? I simply joined in today with the excuses we’ve already heard or are likely to hear.
if you read my posts you will see that I was ETH out but am prepared to give him a short leash to see if he can prove us wrong.
another half a season like we have just seen in the league and there can be no excuses for him anymore.
if however he turns it around, hurrah, we all want United moving in the right direction