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OrangeCafeHow are we becoming even more dutch?
OrangeCafeHow are we becoming even more dutch?
You might be referring to myself. It doesn’t seem to me that we are hiring more coaches here, just replacing the ones that may have let ETH down in previous seasons. I wasn’t even trying to be facetious when I said that either, I genuinely think it is our to give him the coaches he needs to address whatever deficiencies he might have, and hopefully the two new ones coming in might be able to do that.It's funny because, when the excuses were being rolled out last season and some were trying to make out our manager was responsible for nothing, others were joking about us bringing in more managers to do the coaching for him. And now here we are, bringing in two head coaches to help him![]()
I think what you are hoping for here is a a wrong thing to hope for but given how much we as a fan base despise our own players it doesn’t surprise me to see this.The softies in the squad are going to get found out very fast - hopefully this guy makes the team tougher mentally.
It's the right thing to hope for - we cannot afford to carry players who are weak mentally if we want to get back to the top.I think what you are hoping for here is a a wrong thing to hope for but given how much we as a fan base despise our own players it doesn’t surprise me to see this.
I also don’t think that is what he will be here for.
Indeed let's not forget this lot have got 4 managers sacked. But Ratcliffes are onto them.It would be 3 head coach level people. Seems worrying because we know our players respond to proper coaching by going into their shells and getting managers sacked.
So basically you think our key issue is that our players are weak mentally and that we have finally hired a coach that will scream at them a lot so they become stronger mentally.It's the right thing to hope for - we cannot afford to carry players who are weak mentally if we want to get back to the top.
Let's hope the team aren't floundering and don't give the bass-tards on here a rod to hook the manager with.Disappointing lack of fish puns about Mr Hake.
Was he recommended by David Gill?
Hahaha.So basically you think our key issue is that our players are weak mentally and that we have finally hired a coach that will scream at them a lot so they become stronger mentally.
What is that claim based on? Not trying to get at you, but this seems to be repeated frequently on here.It would be 3 head coach level people. Seems worrying because we know our players respond to proper coaching by going into their shells and getting managers sacked.
Of course, that’s why I find it funny that people’s reaction to this appointment is hoping that he can scream at our players and degrade them, because there’s one video doing rounds of him doing that at his former club. If anything this is actually the part of his work that he will have to iron out here.Hake was Ten Hag‘s assistant at Go Ahead Eagles, and now plaice attacking pro-active football there. Clearly he isn‘t hired to batter our players and be a pain in the bass, but to coach them and to improve e-fish-iency.
I don’t think it’s individual mentality. Most of these players have shown at one point or another that they have it in them to fight. It is more of a collective team issue, they struggle with adversity as a team.Hahaha.
That isn't going to work.
Many of our players are mentally weak though. In several matches when we went a goal down, it was essentially game over.
Every single player on earth can show fight at one point or another. Showing it consistently and when it matters is what counts. Blaming the team is just absolving weak players from responsibility.I don’t think it’s individual mentality. Most of these players have shown at one point or another that they have it in them to fight. It is more of a collective team issue, they struggle with adversity as a team.
Hahaha.
That isn't going to work.
Many of our players are mentally weak though. In several matches when we went a goal down, it was essentially game over.
I actually thought our main issue has been we've thrown away some big games while leading/in good position. I remember we had a number of games where we fought quite well. Not sure if this "match over when we went down" is a thing?I don’t think it’s individual mentality. Most of these players have shown at one point or another that they have it in them to fight. It is more of a collective team issue, they struggle with adversity as a team.
Our recent history and my eyes.What is that claim based on? Not trying to get at you, but this seems to be repeated frequently on here.
Who are these mythical players? Whenever this is raised it almost always comes down to Rashford and McTominay, two players who are so weak mentally that they drag our whole team down and two players that have got all the managers sacked, one of whom doesn’t even start all that frequently in a normal season. Sometimes Bruno but not as frequently as those two.Every single player on earth can show fight at one point or another. Showing it consistently and when it matters is what counts. Blaming the team is just absolving weak players from responsibility.
Nothing.What is that claim based on? Not trying to get at you, but this seems to be repeated frequently on here.
OK fair enough. Personally I think we don't have enough insights to make that claim, certainly don't think I'd say "players going into their shells" is a problem for us.Our recent history and my eyes.
I think we have examples of players doing well at other clubs, and in much more "sophisticated" football style, and yet when they come to United they seem to don't understand the instructions, or fall with the manager.Nothing.
Not exactly mythical if you just named three are they. And McTominay starts plenty in every season, just go look at the stats.Who are these mythical players? Whenever this is raised it almost always comes down to Rashford and McTominay, two players who are so weak mentally that they drag our whole team down and two players that have got all the managers sacked, one of whom doesn’t even start all that frequently in a normal season. Sometimes Bruno but not as frequently as those two.
I think there’s a decent enough amount of evidence to suggest it for a bunch of players. Rashford has had alternating seasons where he’s scored 20+ goals under Ole to being dropped and then from 30 goals with Ten Hag to another poor season. Many others like Maguire, Shaw, Lindelof, Mctominay, Wan Bissaka have been through our mediocre recent history. Our squad show that they are decent when a new manager comes in and crumble when it’s time to take the leap from top 4 finishers to title contenders. And the fact they don’t even retain a similar level to maintain top 4, under various managers, is another damning indictment of their capability.OK fair enough. Personally I think we don't have enough insights to make that claim, certainly don't think I'd say "players going into their shells" is a problem for us.
Let me ask you this, do you watch England play at Euro? Don't you get that feeling those players also hide into their shells under Southgate "coaching"?
Fecks HakeDisappointing lack of fish puns about Mr Hake.
Was he recommended by David Gill?
Yes but let's hope he gets them to show a bit more poisson!Hake was Ten Hag‘s assistant at Go Ahead Eagles, and now plaice attacking pro-active football there. Clearly he isn‘t hired to batter our players and be a pain in the bass, but to coach them and to improve e-fish-iency.
It’s three players in a squad of 25 and I don’t really agree with Bruno. Rashford is a bit of a confidence player indeed and McTominay is simply not very good.Not exactly mythical if you just named three are they. And McTominay starts plenty in every season, just go look at the stats.
You just name three. You could easily add Maguire, AWB, Shaw, Lindelof, Sancho, Mount etc to the list.It’s three players in a squad of 25 and I don’t really agree with Bruno. Rashford is a bit of a confidence player indeed and McTominay is simply not very good.
This would work maybe 30 y ago.Oh fecking yes.
Would love to see rashford and some of our other underperformers given a dressing down like that.
So basically we just presume anyone who’s been here for more than 2 years is extremely weak mentally by default, only the players signed/promoted by ETH (with the exception of Mount) are mental monsters.You just name three. You could easily add Maguire, AWB, Shaw, Lindelof, Sancho, Mount etc to the list.
I'd like to think he has already. I mean, what's Ten Hag doing if not? I'd be embarrassed to have to hire another guy to discipline my players.Oh fecking yes.
Would love to see rashford and some of our other underperformers given a dressing down like that.
But imagine if the two of them did it at the same time? That'd be something new eh?I'd like to think he has already. I mean, what's Ten Hag doing if not? I'd be embarrassed to have to hire another guy to discipline my players.
They'd just give this coach from Little Eagle a middle finger.Oh fecking yes.
Would love to see rashford and some of our other underperformers given a dressing down like that.
Judging by some posts here, you'd think player performances are simply a function of how much the coaches yell at and berate them.I'd like to think he has already. I mean, what's Ten Hag doing if not? I'd be embarrassed to have to hire another guy to discipline my players.
Because they would just sit there and take it like thatOh fecking yes.
Would love to see rashford and some of our other underperformers given a dressing down like that.
He should at least get along with Will FishDisappointing lack of fish puns about Mr Hake.
Was he recommended by David Gill?
Same here. It’s just non stop. Has he no vocabulary?He annoys me so much. Swearing at points for absolutely no effect other than to swear. I mean I'm Scottish ergo I love swearing, but it's a bit much from him for even me![]()
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