They don't, they have better observational skills than Guardiola, for example, because that's their actual job. As opposed to Guardiola's.
No, the point of football managers is to coach the team. See, the football manager working with a long contract, in charge of the whole football operation, is something typical of british football. Outside put GB, it barely ever existed. You think Guardiola is in charge of transfers at City? Klopp? Klopp was in charge, briefly, during the period Liverpool fecked up their transfer windows. He promptly had them hire someone else to do that job in his placeI'm sorry, but that's thick. The whole point of football managers is to identify the right players to help their teams win.
Because they decided to trust Arteta and give him that level of control. Liverpool did the same thing with Klopp for a season and it was Klopp himself who told them it was a mistake, that wasn't up for that kind of job. Guardiola has never had that level of control, not even at City, where they bend over backwards for him. The most successful club of the decade barely cares about what whoever the current manager is thinksYes, they have scouts; but the manager has to observe the player to make a final decision. Why do you think Arsenal changed Arteta from head coach to manager so quick?
"Only once in his career has Pep made a mistake – in his first year at Manchester City when he completely underestimated the power and speed of the Premier League"
Whoever said that has the football understanding of a toddlerThe main thing I can't understand is how you can say this:
And then go on to make the same mistake.
He made more and more baffling decisions the longer his tenure went on. It’s like we have some sort of mental impact on our managers, as they all seem to suffer from this. No matter how completely sane and astute they are when they walk through the door.The main thing I can't understand is how you can say this:
And then go on to make the same mistake.
How does anyone make that mistake? The physicality of the Premier League is one of those things that's become so cliched that even normies here in the US who don't watch football seem to understand.The main thing I can't understand is how you can say this:
And then go on to make the same mistake.
That’s exactly how it seems to be. I think it’s the pressure of having the job and the overall culture of the club.He made more and more baffling decisions the longer his tenure went on. It’s like we have some sort of mental impact on our managers, as they all seem to suffer from this. No matter how completely sane and astute they are when they walk through the door.
Arsenal followed the Quantitative Model that Liverpool under Edwards and Brighton have advanced. You have teams of Mathematicians, Statisticians, AI engineers and Rocket Scientists running advanced simulations for how certain profiles might fit into a system. Along with the statistical analysis, traditional scouts reports are run against these models to gather insight. This is why Liverpool's recruitement under Edwards was considered revolutionary.I'm sorry, but that's thick. The whole point of football managers is to identify the right players to help their teams win.
Yes, they have scouts; but the manager has to observe the player to make a final decision. Why do you think Arsenal changed Arteta from head coach to manager so quick?
Wait you can't be saying this now with the benefit of hindsight, which noone had at the time of the signings including ETH.From recruitment point of view,has to be the Manager that has done the most damage post Sir Alex.
The bolded looking like flops
- Antony – £85m
- Rasmus Hojlund – £72m
- Casemiro – £70m
- Mason Mount – £60m
- Lisandro Martinez – £57m
- Leny Yoro – £52m
- Manuel Ugarte – £50.8m
- Andre Onana – £47.2m
- Matthijs de Ligt – £43m
- Joshua Zirkzee – £36m
- Noussair Mazraoui – £17m
- Tyrell Malacia – £14.6m
- Altay Bayindir – £4.3m
From recruitment point of view,has to be the Manager that has done the most damage post Sir Alex.
The bolded looking like flops
- Antony – £85m
- Rasmus Hojlund – £72m
- Casemiro – £70m
- Mason Mount – £60m
- Lisandro Martinez – £57m
- Leny Yoro – £52m
- Manuel Ugarte – £50.8m
- Andre Onana – £47.2m
- Matthijs de Ligt – £43m
- Joshua Zirkzee – £36m
- Noussair Mazraoui – £17m
- Tyrell Malacia – £14.6m
- Altay Bayindir – £4.3m
Fans are emotional and mist of us vastly overate our football knowledge, if a coach listens to the opinions of fans before buying players, then we might as well appoint one of us to handle our transfers.Wait you can't be saying this now with the benefit of hindsight, which noone had at the time of the signings including ETH.
Everyone, shockingly, till the start of this very season was defending Hojlund, Onana, Malacia, Mount (who remembers the 'who's midfield is better thread Utd vs Chelsea vs Arsenal' thread last year) and Casemiro. Noone here wanted to hear anything against these signings at the time. So many people, including me, said Casemiro is a one season man who will then be a dud on his last legs and anyone saying this was shouted down. Most people realised how awful Onana is and how mediocre Mount was even at Chelsea and England but everyone defended them. So how is the fanbase also not to be equally blamed? Why pile this blame all on the manager?
Because, I am sorry if I'll get attacked, the fanbase is part of the problem. Both us and Liverpool for a decade were deluded and expected instant titles on the back of overpriced mediocre signings. And all we got was crushing failure and especially for us, total humiliations in league and Europe. Then when the fanbase accepted we are shitte and need firstly years to make top 4 consistently before title challenges is when we improved. But as soon as ETH signed up we had 'end of an era' announcements by ETH no less, I remember Utd being talked about as a challenger because 'ETH'. You look at the thread now 'what position will we be in at the end of the season', its baffling most people thought top 4. The entire last season the entire fanbase excused the dire performances as 'injuries'. Who remembers Benito's thread with fancy fonts and colours on it? When to any neutral it was blindingly obvious the position in the table flattered Utd.
Lastly Martinez. I disagree totally on him. He isn't shitte at all. He is the way he is due to inconsistent tactics, playing him out of position and absolutely dire people around him. Put him at Arsenal at LB and I guarantee you he'd be better with the winger helping him out, 2 competent DCs and a DM infront of him. This is what I mean, uptil the start of the season he was the butcher, one of the best and now he's sh*t?
I said it before too I watch Utd every week unless we are playing due to my best mate so this post isn't the back of me watching 10 min TikTok reels or being a rival fan but my honest truth.
Eh? How do you work that one out?From a recruitment point of view LVG did the most damage, everything since then has been trying to recover from that damage.
You would definitely speak up - that is unless your very good friend and agent’s company just happened to be acting as advisors on the deal, and the higher the final transfer fee went the higher the agent’s final percentage climbed with it.It’s been said to death I know but I will never get over the Antony signing. Ultimately he didn’t sign off on the deal but when he sees the fee reaching 90m you obviously speak up and look elsewhere it’s common sense, it’s even more worrying that he’s managed this player before and thought ‘90m well spent’…..I mean fecking hell.
Ajax fans were laughing at us when that bid went in they knew he was a 30-40m player at best
Eh? How do you work that one out?
He made some mental calls. And I’m not just talking about reversing the Toni Kroos deal when he was about to do his medical! There was just way too much upheaval. We needed to keep that link to the title winning team in order to pass the mentality on to the new crop. But he bombed them all out in the space of about 12 months!Eh? How do you work that one out?
Well name the good transfers during his spell. In or out.Eh? How do you work that one out?
It wasn't all just him, but that 2 year period was dreadful in terms of out going players and how they were replaced. Just look at the players who were sold, released and purchased during his reign.
It was awful - we've compounded the issues sinceEh? How do you work that one out?
Now we have data analysts to do that digitally. They can cover 100s of players across nations. Its to help managers to focus on hypercompetitive football side now. Ideally managers should be given presentation of such findings and their input to be valued and tune the recruitment net.The manager needs majority of control because they're more knowledgeable about football. Do you think Viera, Henry, Fabregas etc go to Arsenal if Wenger wasn't on transfer committee?
Wait you can't be saying this now with the benefit of hindsight, which noone had at the time of the signings including ETH.
Everyone, shockingly, till the start of this very season was defending Hojlund, Onana, Malacia, Mount (who remembers the 'who's midfield is better thread Utd vs Chelsea vs Arsenal' thread last year) and Casemiro. Noone here wanted to hear anything against these signings at the time. So many people, including me, said Casemiro is a one season man who will then be a dud on his last legs and anyone saying this was shouted down. Most people realised how awful Onana is and how mediocre Mount was even at Chelsea and England but everyone defended them. So how is the fanbase also not to be equally blamed? Why pile this blame all on the manager?
Because, I am sorry if I'll get attacked, the fanbase is part of the problem. Both us and Liverpool for a decade were deluded and expected instant titles on the back of overpriced mediocre signings. And all we got was crushing failure and especially for us, total humiliations in league and Europe. Then when the fanbase accepted we are shitte and need firstly years to make top 4 consistently before title challenges is when we improved. But as soon as ETH signed up we had 'end of an era' announcements by ETH no less, I remember Utd being talked about as a challenger because 'ETH'. You look at the thread now 'what position will we be in at the end of the season', its baffling most people thought top 4. The entire last season the entire fanbase excused the dire performances as 'injuries'. Who remembers Benito's thread with fancy fonts and colours on it? When to any neutral it was blindingly obvious the position in the table flattered Utd.
Lastly Martinez. I disagree totally on him. He isn't shitte at all. He is the way he is due to inconsistent tactics, playing him out of position and absolutely dire people around him. Put him at Arsenal at LB and I guarantee you he'd be better with the winger helping him out, 2 competent DCs and a DM infront of him. This is what I mean, uptil the start of the season he was the butcher, one of the best and now he's sh*t?
I said it before too I watch Utd every week unless we are playing due to my best mate so this post isn't the back of me watching 10 min TikTok reels or being a rival fan but my honest truth.
This list gave me chest and shoulder pains.From recruitment point of view,has to be the Manager that has done the most damage post Sir Alex.
The bolded looking like flops
- Antony – £85m
- Rasmus Hojlund – £72m
- Casemiro – £70m
- Mason Mount – £60m
- Lisandro Martinez – £57m
- Leny Yoro – £52m
- Manuel Ugarte – £50.8m
- Andre Onana – £47.2m
- Matthijs de Ligt – £43m
- Joshua Zirkzee – £36m
- Noussair Mazraoui – £17m
- Tyrell Malacia – £14.6m
- Altay Bayindir – £4.3m
You underestimate Ajaxfans.It’s been said to death I know but I will never get over the Antony signing. Ultimately he didn’t sign off on the deal but when he sees the fee reaching 90m you obviously speak up and look elsewhere it’s common sense, it’s even more worrying that he’s managed this player before and thought ‘90m well spent’…..I mean fecking hell.
Ajax fans were laughing at us when that bid went in they knew he was a 30-40m player at best
