Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed

Yep but you remember the narratives for the first couple of seasons - his style of football won’t work, no winter break and too many injuries etc.

Thats also not factoring in that his style of football is perfect for a team that isn’t dominant.

Liverpool gave Klopp time cause they were in a 30 years PL drought, 3 more seasons not winning PL wouldn't have hurt them much anyway.

The likes of Real, Barcelona, Juventus, or Chelsea would have never gave that much time to Klopp.
Which is why i can see Klopp going to AC Milan once he leaves Liverpool... perfect scenario for him, historic club that has been irrelevant for a while, waiting for a manager that makes them part of the elite again.They won't be asking for immediate success.
 
Cant believe anyone would want Poch. Even if he got us to a point where we were mathematically somewhere near liverpool and man city, which is unlikely, you then have to contend with the certainty that the gimp is going to get done in every single head to head with them in the league and the cups.

ETH well worth the gamble
 
I still think the board will go for Poch. Expect more narratives about ETH being a risk etc this week.

Yeah I still fear he is in the race because the reliable Utd journos aren't saying anything different
 
How's everyone feeling about ETH as he looks nailed on now

Don’t think he’s nailed on at all tbh. Some fans should probably wind it in a bit as I’m reading a lot of premature conversations these days which seem to be ignoring the fact that by all accounts, Pochettino has been a long time favourite of the club and is also very much in the running. People are just being fed by attention seekers on Twitter in my opinion.
 
Cant believe anyone would want Poch. Even if he got us to a point where we were mathematically somewhere near liverpool and man city, which is unlikely, you then have to contend with the certainty that the gimp is going to get done in every single head to head with them in the league and the cups.

ETH well worth the gamble

Yeah our shirkers who don't want him as a manager can either shape up or ship out
 
How's everyone feeling about ETH as he looks nailed on now
Defo not, PSG have been an obstacle with Poch but he’s the overwhelming choice of the media and amongst ex-players.

I think we’ll end up going for him :(
 
Don’t think he’s nailed on at all tbh. Some fans should probably wind it in a bit as I’m reading a lot of premature conversations these days which seem to be ignoring the fact that by all accounts, Pochettino has been a long time favourite of the club and is also very much in the running. People are just being fed by attention seekers on Twitter in my opinion.

I very rarely come on here now so I'm basing it solely on what I've read on Twitter which tbf is generally just info coming from Journo's and I'm hardly seeing anything about Poch these days
 
Defo not, PSG have been an obstacle with Poch but he’s the overwhelming choice of the media and amongst ex-players.

I think we’ll end up going for him :(

The media and ex-players aren't picking the manager though
 
They have more influence than us fans
Do they? If they hire Poch and it goes tits up, it'll be a hugely toxic atmosphere around the club and the ground. That's more bad for business than Neville talking out of his arse every week.
 
PSG can't wait to be rid of Poch. He's a loser and we'd be losers to appoint him. They can feck off if they do.
 
It’s putting pressure on the board though, really surprised no one has come out in favour of Ten Hag. It’s only the fans at the moment.

I dunno all the English pundits (like Rooney tonight) saying Poch I'd wager that's purely based on them having seen very little of ETH and that's not a criticism as that goes for most of us as well but I certainly would hope those opinions are taken as just that, opinions
 
PSG can't wait to be rid of Poch. He's a loser and we'd be losers to appoint him. They can feck off if they do.
Literally their fans are begging that we take him off their hands, rival fans are more worried about the prospect of ETH.

I actually fail to see why we’re even looking at Poch, sacked at Spurs, essentially sacked at PSG. Why the feck would he be the man to take us back to the top?
 
Do they? If they hire Poch and it goes tits up, it'll be a hugely toxic atmosphere around the club and the ground. That's more bad for business than Neville talking out of his arse every week.

I wonder what will happen after three years when things go tits up? Neville will say he need another 10 more years?
 
How's everyone feeling about ETH as he looks nailed on now
He's my preference but honestly, I don't get the hate for Poch. I'd be interested to see what he could do. PSG as a club seem to really suck the life out of managers, especially when it comes to the champions league so I can't judge him too much on that.

ETH would be a total fresh start which is why I would like to see him come here but I feel the club would have to really back him, the players that remain would have to get on board with his ideas, he'd have to adjust to the premier league etc. I'd hate for the players and the club to start moaning after a few months about his philosophy/methods etc. You either commit to a big change or don't start it.
 
If one is to looks deep into the work that was done at Spurs, then the credit for the players developed at the club was down to John McDermott and the team working under him at reserve/academy level. McDermott was at Spurs for 15 years and departed in 2020 for a a technical director role with the English FA.

I am a big fan of what Ten Hag has done, and he certainly seems more similar to Guardiola and Klopp in terms of style of management. Pochettino reminds me more of Solskjær, not in playing style, but in style of management - fairly basic playing style, good at man management in terms of getting a group of players to pull in the same direction and give individual players opportunities to play to their strengths. If his players stop pulling in the same direction, he’s toast.

Then again, I think it’s fair to say that both are some of the more impressive managerial candidates around, and anyone who claim that one will be a disaster compared to the other is probably talking a bit out of their arse. The idea that United should ‘expect’ to take 90 pts in the league or win European cups regularily is not based on reason, so both Mourinho and Solskjær did fairly good jobs of getting second places and Europa league finals. Not brilliant, not horrible - and yes, the player expenses notwithstanding.

I fear that regardless of wether the set up with football man as FD and a reasonable manager appointment in Ten Hag/Pochettino works, there will be a crowd of fans, pundits and ex-players who bewail the ‘mighty having fallen’ when we don’t have 80 pts already in the bag come April 2023.
 
He's my preference but honestly, I don't get the hate for Poch. I'd be interested to see what he could do. PSG as a club seem to really suck the life out of managers, especially when it comes to the champions league so I can't judge him too much on that.

ETH would be a total fresh start which is why I would like to see him come here but I feel the club would have to really back him, the players that remain would have to get on board with his ideas, he'd have to adjust to the premier league etc. I'd hate for the players and the club to start moaning after a few months about his philosophy/methods etc. You either commit to a big change or don't start it.
The hate for Poch is that he is a proven loser that has never won anything. Sacked by Spurs where he was supposedly so amazing at yet finished 11 points behind Leicester when they won the title with 81 points, a showing that even Mourinho's 2nd place season would have topped & won us the league. Cried in his interview when winning the CL semi-final, like ffs you've won nothing and you're in tears. Cried when getting knocked out of the CL with PSG. Honestly, our players are ruthless and self-centred, they would eat him alive and have him crying at carrington. The literal only thing Poch has going for him is a myth, this whole "premier league experience" nonsense. Only one manager in the history of the PL has aquired PL experience at one club and then gone on to win the league at another club and that was Ranieri (Chelsea 2000-2004 & winning the league with Leicester in 2016). Every single other PL title that has been won has been won by a manager that had no prior PL experience.
 
I wonder what will happen after three years when things go tits up? Neville will say he need another 10 more years?
He'll keep going on about his 5 point plan to fix United, and will backtrack saying Poch had no chance because of the situation upstairs etc.
 
I very rarely come on here now so I'm basing it solely on what I've read on Twitter which tbf is generally just info coming from Journo's and I'm hardly seeing anything about Poch these days

I’m guessing you may not be seeing much about Poch or others as there isn’t much to see. I doubt there are daily updates available in the manner people are making out. We all saw that there were interviews, but to me, I suspect people are just trying to whip up attention by repeatedly tweeting ‘hearing Ten Hag is progressing well’. And then we hear ‘there will be a second round of interviews’ for both ETH and Poch. It’s likely that the hourly stuff in between is drivel IMO.
 
Defo not, PSG have been an obstacle with Poch but he’s the overwhelming choice of the media and amongst ex-players.

I think we’ll end up going for him :(
For once I would like us to appoint Poch so that these dinosaurs in ex-players can feck off when the guy inevitably fails at utd.
 
For once I would like us to appoint Poch so that these dinosaurs in ex-players can feck off when the guy inevitably fails at utd.
They wouldn't admit they were wrong though, they'd blame everyone and everything else but the manager. It was the same with Ole - they conjured up every excuse under the sun to absolve him of just not being a very good manager. Neville will blame the stadium and training grounds, Keane will blame the players, and we'll be back at square one with nothing having been learned.
 
Literally their fans are begging that we take him off their hands, rival fans are more worried about the prospect of ETH.

I actually fail to see why we’re even looking at Poch, sacked at Spurs, essentially sacked at PSG. Why the feck would he be the man to take us back to the top?
It’s hard to know how good Poch is or how good he was at his best.

He did have a decent run at Spurs but the praise he was getting seemed way over the top to me and many gave him a free pass when it went to shit and he got sacked. He’s underperformed with PSG I feel.

I am always hearing that he is very good at coaching individuals to get better but I don’t know how much evidence there is for that. If it’s true he could make a big difference to us.

I’d take him but mainly due to lack of alternatives.
 
For once I would like us to appoint Poch so that these dinosaurs in ex-players can feck off when the guy inevitably fails at utd.
Which he 100% will fail. Problem is he might do just enough to stay in the job for 3 or 4 years, but absolutely will not challenge for the title or win the CL. It would just seal mediocrity for the foreseeable future and we’d be back at this point again.

My biggest issue is he’d try to get a tune out of the same broken parts that have already been given too long: Shaw, Maguire, Mctominay etc.
 
Every manager it's a risk, especially for clubs without unlimited funds like Liverpool.

Thing is when Klopp when to England, Liverpool had nothing to lose as they were irrelevant for 30 years in PL, a couple of more seasons of irrelevance wouldn't have hurt then much.
This "risk" talking point is completely meaningless. Playing football is a risk, the moment you play a game you can always lose. Employing a manager, and players, and playing games, is football. All of it is a risk. It's a nonsensical thing to fixate on.
Klopp was the most risk-free managerial appointment a club in the position of Liverpool could ever have dreamt of being able to do, especially since, as you allude to, he doesn't cry for much funding.

Hiring Ten Hag is not a risk. It's a chance. If you think it's a risk, just close down the football club and open up, I don't know, a pharmacy.
 
If ten Hag gets the job, I hope they give him the power to bin any and all players he wants out. Make him the big stick at the club.
 
If ten Hag gets the job, I hope they give him the power to bin any and all players he wants out. Make him the big stick at the club.
That will never happen. The players will be the ones throwing ten hag under the bus and the board would be mute spectators.
 
That will never happen. The players will be the ones throwing ten hag under the bus and the board would be mute spectators.

Not if they’re shipped on and ten Hag brings his own players in prepared to follow him. I hate using Klopp as an example, but it’s valid. The mistakes of the past need to be learned from.
 
Yep but you remember the narratives for the first couple of seasons - his style of football won’t work, no winter break and too many injuries etc.

Thats also not factoring in that his style of football is perfect for a team that isn’t dominant.


True, just as big a risk for him at the time to be fair. Not unlike us right now though, we might well end up 7th or 8th this season and it’s been a while since anyone thought we were in the mix with the best CL clubs.
TBF, nobody expect Klopp to be as big hypocrite as he turned out to be. I meant he literally said something like he would not be a manager the day his team spend a Pogba comparable for any single player. VVD signing dug him out. And his signing was surprise given that it would be unlikely for Liverpool out of anyone to pay that amount. As seen with last season too, VVD is vital for his team. Beside that freak injury, he's surprisingly fit and available all the time. I feel VVD has that Vieira importance for Arsenal in holding the team together, especially mentally. Some freak condition is not repeatable, even with money. Klopp would need to reinvent himself when Liverpool need a full rebuild once VVD expiration day come.

Then we have to look at the Liverpool love in media. This helps Klopp a lot externally during his worst period. In comparison, most of our fanbase is still looking for new SAF, and our former players working in the media made the case worse.

I am not saying Klopp would fail, but simply pointing out where some fortunate condition did play out and there was always an element of risk. So, you need to take the gamble for the chance to win. PL proven evidently has little impact on the top end of the table. We're not fighting relegation, so stop the safe thinking.
 
Not if they’re shipped on and ten Hag brings his own players in prepared to follow him. I hate using Klopp as an example, but it’s valid. The mistakes of the past need to be learned from.
The board is already talking out extending contracts of players who've had a horrendous season. I bet they get it done before the managers walks in.
 
When Ten Hag gets in, quite a few of those players everyone is angry with now will start to look really good, by and by.
 
The board is already talking out extending contracts of players who've had a horrendous season. I bet they get it done before the managers walks in.

There’s also been suggestions that the incoming manager has been consulted about the extensions. Even if he hasn’t, there should be no obligation to play them, at least once he sources improvements.
 
This "risk" talking point is completely meaningless. Playing football is a risk, the moment you play a game you can always lose. Employing a manager, and players, and playing games, is football. All of it is a risk. It's a nonsensical thing to fixate on.
Klopp was the most risk-free managerial appointment a club in the position of Liverpool could ever have dreamt of being able to do, especially since, as you allude to, he doesn't cry for much funding.

Hiring Ten Hag is not a risk. It's a chance. If you think it's a risk, just close down the football club and open up, I don't know, a pharmacy.

ETH it's more a risk than Klopp was.

He never managed in a top league, never had to deal with egos, and finally United structure is a total mess.

Higher ceiling than Pochettino? Yes, but still risky.
 
You remember that ridiculously 1930s dressed, somewhat unpleasant Liverpool fan who went viral back in the day, standing out of Anfield claiming it's "mad" to have to pay to watch players like Milner and Henderson? Everyone thought he was spot on and hilarious then, turns out he was completely wrong and kind of a dumbass.
 
ETH it's more a risk than Klopp was.

He never managed in a top league, never had to deal with egos, and finally United structure is a total mess.

Higher ceiling than Pochettino? Yes, but still risky.
Of course he is more of a risk than Klopp was, but there is no Klopp available. He's not 'riskier' than any of the other possible candidates, if you weigh risk and reward. Not hiring a manager is not a possibility. Managers can always fail, and then you sack them and hire another one.
 
Great post as others have said. Sort of echos my thoughts in that a big part of the reason United are where there are at present is the lack of footballing structure and not having enough sharp minds taking on the correct responsibilities.

I mentioned the likes of Edwards, Tkiki Bergistain and Ferran Sorriano in the 'why are United on a continued decline' thread and the fact that United don't have people of this calibre in these sorts of positions as something that stands out like a sore-thumb when you compare them to the top clubs domestically and in Europe.

Solskjaer and Mourinho having the level of atonomy you mentioned is probably a direct correlation because they're probably fighting for as much control over recruitment as possible when they know United don't have a Michael Edwards type to spearhead this department. Instead it's either involve yourself in transfer policy as much as possible, or delegate more power to Joel Glazer and at the time Ed Woodward which is a distratrous choice to make.

The good thing with a potential ETH appointment is that based on everything we've read, the current structure at Ajax and the success he's had there it seems he is open to and willing to work in this sort of system. The man thing for United now is to find the right people to work with him and add expertise in these positions. There are major question works over John Murtough and Darren Fletcher in the roles they're currently in, and I definitely think Utd need more proven experience either to replace or support these two.
You say United don't have a Michael Edwards, and you could be right. But would you have said Edwards was the right man when he was involved in a team working under Damien Comolli that eventually failed and led to Comolli being dismissed? Would you have said Edwards was the right man after he was roundly criticised for his role on the Liverpool transfer committee, which was reported by some news outlets as the cause for Brendan Rodgers getting sacked?

The truth is that Edwards had become a laughing stock at Liverpool among their fans and the media outlets covering the club. And if it wasn't for the arrival of Klopp, the narrative around Edwards would most probably be very different now.

I think the biggest mistake the EPL fan makes when attempting to understand the DoF model, is that they isolate the DoF from the large group of people working under him. And from my observation that is down to the rise of the sugar daddy clubs, which has created a perception that the likes of Rangnick and Campos go around signing players on their own whim. Which is absolutely not true, and without the people working directly on the recruitment side who report to the DoF, the DoF wouldn't be anywhere near as effective at his job.

So the DoF is only as good as the people working under him. And it's those people working under him that we should also look at closely, because it's their judgement that the DoF will have to act upon. So the DoF's role is to make sure that the recruitment teams working under him are working in optimal working conditions, which in turn will provide him with information that he will need to act upon. So the DoF will likely be doing a lot of travelling.

And ultimately the concept is very simple and that is to recruit players for the guiding principle put forth by the head coach. It's not rocket science, (like Rangnick said this week) and once the directive is set and made crystal clear, then it will come down to the information from the scouts. So if we want to sign a player from Spain for example, then that will come about after the lead scout in Spain, Gerardo Guzman gives the potential candidate the thumbs up and reports his findings to his head of department in Europe, which is Henny de Regt. And de Regt will then run the rule over the player and if he agrees, then de Regt reports to Marcel Bout (head of recruitment) who makes the final call. And if the said candidate passes the final check from Bout, then Bout will pass the reports over to the 5 man data analytics team led by Mick Court. And after the process is complete, Bout, (head of scouting), Court (head of data analysis) Jim Lawlor (Chief Scout) decide on the respective short lists for the targeted positions in the team. That is then passed on to John Murtough who will attempt to bring the scouted targets to the club.

But sadly for us, the above team hasn't been influential at first team level due to both Mourinho and Ole having their own personal recruitment staff. So i'm not surprised the club has been failing. Because if you marginalise the bigger, more well resourced team of people who are vast in number on the recruitment side in favour of a much smaller team led by the first team manager. Then don't be surprised if the smaller team can't look past the most obvious transfer targets.
 
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You say United don't have a Michael Edwards, and you could be right. But would you have said Edwards was the right man when he was involved in a team working under Damien Comolli that eventually failed and led to Comolli being dismissed? Would you have said Edwards was the right man after he was roundly criticised for his role on the Liverpool transfer committee, which was reported by some news outlets as the cause for Brendan Rodgers getting sacked?

The truth is that Edwards had become a laughing stock at Liverpool among their fans and the media outlets covering the club. And if it wasn't for the arrival of Klopp, the narrative around Edwards would most probably be very different now.

I think the biggest mistake the EPL fan makes when attempting to understand the DoF model, is that they isolate the DoF from the large group of people working under him. And from my observation that is down to the rise of the sugar daddy clubs, which has created a perception that the likes of Rangnick and Campos go around signing players on their own whim. Which is absolutely not true, and without the people working directly on the recruitment side who report to the DoF, the DoF wouldn't be anywhere near as effective at his job.

So the DoF is only as good as the people working under him. And it's those people working under him that we should also look at closely, because it's their judgement that the DoF will have to act upon. So the DoF's role is to make sure that the recruitment teams working under him are working in optimal working conditions, which in turn will provide him with information that he will need to act upon. So the DoF will likely be doing a lot of travelling.

And ultimately the concept is very simple and that is to recruit players for the guiding principle put forth by the head coach. It's not rocket science, like Rangnick said this week, and once the directive is set and made crystal clear, then it will come down to the information from the scouts. So if we want to sign a player from Spain for example, then that will come about after the lead scout in Spain, Gerardo Guzman gives the potential candidate the thumbs up and reports his findings to his head of department in Europe, which is Henny de Regt. And de Regt will then run the rule over the player and if he agrees, then de Regt reports to Marcel Bout (head of recruitment) who makes the final call. And if the said candidate passes the final check from Bout, then Bout will pass the reports over to the 5 man data analytics team led by Mick Court. And after the process is complete, Bout, (head of scouting), Court (head of data analysis) Jim Lawlor (Chief Scout) decide on the respective short lists for the targeted positions in the team. That is then passed on to John Murtough who will attempt to bring the scouted targets to the club.

But sadly for us, the above team hasn't been influential at first team level due to both Mourinho and Ole having their own personal recruitment staff. So i'm not surprised the club has been failing. Because if you marginalise the bigger, more well resourced team of people who are vast in number on the recruitment side in favour of a much smaller team led by the first team manager. Then don't be surprised if the smaller team can't look past the most obvious transfer targets.
I can understand Mourinho was allowed his own scouting team given his past achievements but why did we allow a novice like Ole the same treatment? Was it because this team was not up and running?

Where do you think Rangnick post his interim job will fit in this system?