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Let's hope Murtough knows where to conduct that second interview round!
The highest "mountain" in Holland probably ain't much higher than the highest man-made structure (if higher at all).
It has been mentioned many times in the press that PSG would not ask compensation.
It has also been mentioned many times by random fans that United’s choice will be influenced by any compensation fee, which is unfounded and in all likelihood, nonsense anyway. All this ‘we definitely won’t pay his payout clause’ is completely baseless.
I'm a little surprised they're ready to pack Poch's bags. Not a good sign though. It's PSG but still.
How aren't you surprised? He took over a team that won the league and were CL runners up under Tuchel, failed to win the league in year 1, and then got knocked out in the round of 16 in both the domestic cup and CL this year, despite signing Messi, Hakimi, Donnarumma, Sergio Ramos, Nuno Mendes and Wijnaldum in the summer on top of what they had last year. He's done terribly.
Any sources backing this assertion? The truth is actually the opposite
Got them on about their lowest xGpg, ppg, and I'm pretty certain that they score less per game in the league as well.
Said a "little" . Actually only because PSG came out with statements that they want to continue with Poch. And i've not seen anything to suggest they are shopping around for a new manager.
Exactly Ten
It's even less than half of Burj Khalifa's height.
Yep. Down in all the metrics from the previous seasons. Compared to 19/20 when Tuchel had them in the CL final, you add all those attacking players and have about 20 xG less than they did in 19/20 at the same stage, while having 10 xPts less and about 4 xG conceded more. Last season where they lost the league and replaced Tuchel half way through the season, they had roughly the same xPts, had more xG and pretty much the same xG conceded. They've progressively gotten worse the longer he has been there. There has been no improvement since he joined. All their underlying attacking statistics have regressed since he took over from Tuchel who is a notoriously defensive coach.
Seen plenty of stuff that suggests they're just going to swap him in the summer, links to Conte who has a way out apparently or Zidane who is ultimately waiting for the France job I think. No point in doing it now is all.
I meant the highest man-made structure in Holland, actually.
*Googles*
222 m, apparently.
And the highest peak is on 322 m (above sea level - probably much less from base to peak).
Anyway, based on mountains we should obviously hire Poch.
Aconcagua - yeah, enough said.
Aconcagua - yeah, enough said.
The caf would witness a e-riot then. Imagine the scenes, poch will have no chance then to get the fans backing.Is anyone else worried that PSG might just sack Poch and steal Erik before we get him
This is what they call with a correct lie. You might be lying but you are most likely correct. Of course its going to be scheduled at some point.
PSG fired Tuchel in the middle of the season at Christmas eve 2020 four months after Tuchel led them to a CL final. PSG were third when Tuchel departed, behind Lille and leaders Lyon. PSG were also out of all domestic cups when Tuchel was fired. Lille eventually won the title by 1 point. It was a shared season.
Poch has only lost 4 league games this season and the battle for the French league title is not a contest, its PSGs to lose. How has he done terribly bar bowing out of Europe in his first full season at the club?
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Yes they shared last season and I don't think there was barely a difference in their records. Pochettino played 4 more games and got 4 wins in the league though. Scored fewer goals per game vs Tuchel, defence improved slightly in that half season. Not true that they were out of the cups, and they were only 1 point off the top of the league with 21 games remaining when he took over... So no excuses tbh. PSG were the by a distance dominant team before 20/21 though. 21/22 comes and their underlying stats so far are the same as they were last season when they failed to win the league, except they also got knocked out to an average Real Madrid side despite the window PSG had. They also got knocked out of the domestic cup, and lost in their super Cup at the start of the season. He joined a team where the bare minimum passable grade is to win the league all the time, win the domestic cups. He's going to be at 50% in both of those regards, succeeding at one and failing at the other in each of his 2 seasons. He's also proceeded to have PSG regress both offensively and defensively with their underlying stats domestically the longer he's been there, with them being a drastically worse team this season than they were in 19/20 for example. That all despite their ridiculous window.
How has he done anything other than terribly ffs?
Read it in a article couple weeks ago. Can't find it, so hard to say if it was true or not.
I know Poch trains them hard in training, plenty of record on that.
He also lost in the French Cup. Convenient little miss for you there. The French league is not a contest this year because the teams around them are worse, not that they are much better. Last year was a disaster for them losing 8 games. However it’s not like they are really faring thaaaat much better. The form in their last 5 is win loss win loss win. They aren’t consistent, they (according to many many PSG fans) play boring football and they very easily could lose a few more games by the end of this season. Theres
Their goal difference (which you pointed to as proof of them being good when you compared it to Barcelona, Chelsea and AC Milan) is the second best in their league currently and doesn’t look thaaaat much better than last season’s. It’s far far off where they’ve been in in recent seasons. I’m 19/20 they only played 27 games and by that point they had more points and a far higher goal difference than they do now with 29 games played.
You earlier in this thread point to the fact PSG have the league pretty much tied up as a pro for Poch and the fact Ajax are in a title race as a negative for ETH. If we are to wrongly or rightly say that both clubs hold similar positions in being the richest clubs in their respective leagues, Ajax have more points, a better win percentage and a far far far better goal difference. The difference is PSV and Feyenoord are performing better than any of Ligue 1’s other challengers (if you could even call them that).
The thing is, I do think there’s revisionism going on. Poch does have the history to prove he is a great coach, but currently it is all that. History. On current form he’s not showing it. I do think perhaps his style of football could be a bit antiquated for the prem. Yes he came in and made a huge impact on the prem with how his teams pressed. But now you look at City and Liverpool and their styles of football press as well as his sides, but also play and control possession far far better. ETH may be a failure BUT he is the only attainable manager in world football with a style of football that could potentially rival Liverpool’s and City’s.
Terrible is probably an overstatement but whether you look at underlying stats or actually look at games, it's the worst PSG of the QSI era.
Terribly relative to expectations I guess. It's hard to ignore the summer window and to look at the performances this season. Mbappe is a beast but they are entirely reliant on him, there is no play style, there is no team cohesion, whatever lineup goes out there it's ugly football. Its one thing of they were just unlucky... But there is no life to the way they play. A team with Mbappe, Verratti, Marquinhos at the back should not struggle like this. Can't even just blame it on Messi because it's not like they are flying when he's not on the pitch. Same with Neymar.
With them it feels as dead as Spurs felt by the end of his time there, which for me makes me think Pochettino had a good mix of fresh ideas for Spurs in 2014 or whatever, and the right set of players at the right time, but then he drove that team into the ground until they declined, couldn't add to the initial ideas enough to actually be successful past top 4, and it eventually ran dry and this is just what he is now. That's why I seriously want to avoid Pochettino. I just think he was a flash in the pan manager for a few years and is living off a past reputation already, except it was a reputation where he didn't even actually win anything.
ETH should be allowed to bring two three players from ajax. That's main thing to hit the ground running. He is system oriented manager and have players from his current ajax team will help implement his style quickly at United.
Otherwise he will be under pressure sooner than later if he took his time to implement his possession based style of football.
Otherwise he will be under pressure sooner than later if he took his time to implement his possession based style of football.
He doesn't have that history. That's the thing that irks me, while I genuinely like Pochettino and would welcome him as our manager, it baffles me when people say things like that. It's a total non starter, Pochettino has not proven that he is a great manager, in fact the other day someone compared Pochettino positively to Benitez which is a bit daft but it reminded me Hector Cuper which to me is very important, people should remember that someone like Hector Cuper did far more than Pochettino and no one sensible claims that he is or was great, during his prime he was several tiers below actual great managers like SAF, Capello, Lippi, Del Bosque, Hitzfeld and many others.
I agree with you, I just feel that terrible is a bit much particularly when you seemingly share my opinion when it comes to Pochettino himself, I don't think that he is doing a terrible job but that he reached his ceiling and his doing the best he can. At the very top the difference between good, very good and great is marginal.
If I was to give an example it would be Pellegrini or Capello at Real Madrid in the late 2000s, neither did a terrible job but they both showed their limits, neither were able to take Real Madrid to that next level. And that's what Pochettino is doing with the added twist that he isn't really good at tweaking his own tactics and make it work with different type of players, but we already knew that at Tottenham, he consistently struggled to integrate new players.
Now since this thread is about ETH, what I find very interesting with him is that he has used all sorts of players in almost all the positions, if you look at the type of players that he has had position by position since 2018, a large amount are different to their predecessors. I find it very interesting that since his appointment at Ajax, he has for example used Tadic as a lone second striker, huntelaar as a poacher and Haller as a target man. His pair of central midfielders have been made of pure DMs/former CBs, attacking 8s, defensive 8s or deep lying playmakers, wide he has successfully used all the type of players that exists the archetypes being Promes, Antony, or Ziyech.
To me that's critical because on paper he is the type of manager that can be given time because he has core values but he understands them well enough to make them work with different types of players and he tries to make it work with different types of players. I don't think that he needs or want to have 11 new players before implementing his way, in that sense he is very much like Van Gaal, Klopp or Guardiola.
Fair, probably a bit too harsh on Poch trying to swing it the other way, he's by no means a terrible manager, but would be a "terrible appointment" when we can get ETH if you get what I'm saying. As you say, he's just not good enough for what PSG wants so I think he's not doing well, terrible obviously an exaggeration.
But yes that's a good point with ETH. He's very flexible to different groups of players and I don't think he'd need anything crazy in terms of signings. Just address logical positions that we don't actually have options in (DM, CF, probably a RW and a fullback).
If I was Teh Hag I wouldn't ask for a high salary, I would just ask for a huge fee if the club terminate the contract before 3 years is finished...something like 20 million.
Then he would get the time needed to do his work without looking over his shoulder all the time to see if the club was going to react to the views on Sky Sports after a few bad results.
Then he would get the time needed to do his work without looking over his shoulder all the time to see if the club was going to react to the views on Sky Sports after a few bad results.
Shit stirring Pep
I always felt he would be a good replacement for Pep. It’s just whether he’s willing to wait.
Shit stirring media more like. I would assume he was specifically asked if ETH could be a potential successor to him precisely to get that quote. Not like he's gonna say "nah, he's not good enough".
It is understood that WC games will be scheduled.
I might be wrong, but could it mean that United and ETH are to have further talks on him becoming the next United manager??
Personally think it’s likely agreed and all that’s happening now is sorting out details or maybe just waiting to announce at right time as per ETH’s wishes
All this fluff coming out from the press about this and that is the media filling the void of not knowing much if anything
All this fluff coming out from the press about this and that is the media filling the void of not knowing much if anything
Yip (Hopefully). He’s said he’s focussing on Ajax… he’s trying to do the right thing by them and make sure he’s not a distraction that loses them a title. I think we’re being clever and playing ball by not pushing them or leaking shit and maybe Uncle Edwin helping too.
He seems to me like the type of person who enjoys creme brulee