Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed

Floyd said:
United fan and famous big brother Tobias Schweinsteiger used to play under Ten hag at Bayern Munich 2. Here's his say (google translate):


- When I first met him, in the wardrobe in Bavaria, I remember how warm he was as a human being. He shook hands with each and every one of us. He looked deep into the eyes of each of us. I remember it because this was completely unusual in Germany. We were used to the coaches being authoritarian.

- Another thing I never forget is the workouts. They were so long. Sometimes I had to tell him that even though I liked the sessions, the group of players thought they were too long. They were actually so long that it was talked about throughout the club.

- The first team could have a passing exercise. They spent maybe 75 minutes completing it perfectly. They only used one ball.

- We were going through the same exercise, but we were not perfect. We needed a whole net of balls. It took 75 minutes, 90 minutes, two hours and we were still out on the training field. Several times we were out in the field for two and a half hours, he says.

Why? Yes, because Erik ten Hag is a football perfectionist.

It took so long because we on the 2nd team were not perfect, and Erik was masterful in details. He followed every pass. He coached every touch. I remember he kept shouting "no bouncy ball, no bouncy ball." He was so extremely concerned that the passes should not bounce across the grass. They had to go bang, bang from player to player. Therefore, it sometimes took two and a half hours before we managed to complete what the first team managed in half the time.

- Erik was obsessed with the details, says Schweinsteiger.

However, the drill gave results.

94 goals were 23 goals than Bayern 2 managed in two more games the season before. It was clearly most in the Regional League, and it gave a clear league victory.

Only a giant goalkeeper mistake in overtime in the play-off final ruined the promotion.

Ten Hag's victory percentage as Bayern 2 coach is also better than others who have tried. It all happened at the same time as Ten Hag was able to absorb learning from Pep Guardiola, who had just come in as Bayern's head coach.

He inspired me to become a coach
However, it was not Guardiola, but Ten Hag who left lasting traces in Tobias Schweinsteiger.

It was about the way Ten Hag led, the way Ten Hag trained Bayern 2 and the way he treated people.

The Dutchman, who was then in his 40s, became a huge inspiration for the big brother of football legend Bastian Schweinsteiger.

Schweinsteiger had previously been coached by greats such as Klaus Augenthaler, Mehmet Scholl, current Southampton manager Ralph Hasenhüttl and current Augsburg coach Markus Weinzierl, but Ten Hag was something completely different.

In fact, Ten Hag was so inspiring that Schweinsteiger himself chose to become a football coach.

- Erik was so incredibly good. He opened my eyes to how to watch football, says Tobias Schweinsteiger.

He eventually had to tell me, “Tobi, you can not think like a coach right now. You're still a player. That's why you have to think like a player ».

- But he added at the same time: "Do you want to become a coach? Then you can train the U15 team next Wednesday ». I did so, enjoyed it and then they invited me back.

- All this happened because of Erik.

- I must also add that there were challenges in the group at the time. There were two groupings of players in the locker room. It was the young and talented players, and then there were the workers, with people like me. There was a problem getting the two groups to go in the same direction. Erik also tried to fix it, but without really succeeding.

- When I went to Amsterdam on a study trip a few years ago, we talked about it. Then he said: "Tobi, as a coach you often try to make things happen, but it is not always successful."

- However, he learned from it, and all I hear from Ajax is that they now have a good group there.

- Then it is important to add that it was not like that in Ajax when he got there. There were problems with players, culture and achievements, but everything changed with Erik. I think it is because he brings with him such great football knowledge and has such a clear identity, says Schweinsteiger.

Need other types of players
Tobias Schweinsteiger grew up as a United supporter, and still follows what is happening at the club. Like so many others, it has also been tough for him to see the fall, a fall that for him became extra tough when his little brother Bastian had his United dream ruined when José Mourinho came in the doors.

He has no faith that Pochettino or even Erik ten Hag can make United a real gold candidate in a very short time.

- No Unfortunately. It will probably take some time, he says.

As supporters, we talk all the time about maybe being able to fight for the gold next season. That is the dream, but as I see it, there is no chance for United now. I really want to highlight Arsenal. Now they create a new group of players, a new philosophy, a new style and have a good development with it under Mikel Arteta, but in United they need other players to achieve this.

- Exactly those players, by the way, I think Erik can find. For United, it is not about finding the biggest stars, but players who may be a little worse individually, but who can also make the team - the collective - stronger.

- The question is mostly whether the United supporters can accept this type of player.

- At least I can not see that there are enough selfish players in United now, and you need selfish players to play the football both Ralf Rangnick and Erik ten Hag want. Just look at how they play in Ajax. You need the selfless players to take the races that open the rooms. These are the players United need.

- United's goal now is to get up to the level Manchester City and Liverpool are at. If Erik had come to City, as they were set up when Pep came, then there would have been no problem, I think. Then he would have success. But look at the team Klopp came to in Liverpool. That squad was not as talented. He needed 2-3 years to change that.

United need real leaders, some clear ones like individualists and real workers. Then that mix of players must have time to develop. The problem now is that I can not really see who the real leaders are, says Schweinsteiger.

- Will you be elated on his behalf or scared on his behalf if he got the United job?

- Excited. As I see it, he is one of the best coaches. Especially when it comes to football. I have seen it myself with my own eyes.

- Then it is a little harder to know how he is as a group leader. It's not something you can watch on videos. Therefore, it is more difficult to say how he can possibly succeed in a difficult group, but in Ajax he has developed a very good group.

He has also developed all the teams he has been in. First Go Ahead Eagles, with promotion. Then Bayern, then Utrecht, with 4-4-2 and diamond formation, which was something new in the Netherlands where they are mostly used to 4-3-3. I will be elated because in that case he will come to United with a very clear philosophy.

- But scared? No. I was more scared under Ole Gunnar Solskjær since I then never knew what we got. Yes, United could win games then too, but it was often because of individual performances and not so often because of the team. There was something missing at the base then.

I also think that Erik's team, with the ball, will be much more exciting to watch than Ralf Rangnicks United is. The key, however, is what I have already mentioned - he needs players who are not selfish, players who put the collective first.

- Now, when everyone in United does their job and follows the game plan, it looks very good, but they are not mentally strong enough to complete it through 90 minutes.

- Rangnick's system is really quite simple. It's about pressure and then scoring less than six seconds after winning the ball. The problem in United is that there are individual players who like to have six seconds with the ball alone before they center it further, says Schweinsteiger.

Gold match in three years will be good
He is excited about what Ten Hag will choose if he gets the offer, since the Dutchman himself has repeatedly told Schweinsteiger that patience is important.

- Going to United now will be a big decision for him.

- 99 percent of all coaches would take the United job, but if you are among the five who can really get the job then you are at a level where you can ask yourself different questions. Will this be right? What is good about United? What is not good? What do I really have now where I am? What will happen in one or two years? Is Liverpool coming then? Is City coming? Are the Spanish top clubs coming?

- But yes, it will be exciting if he gets the job. I think it will be a good choice.

- I see it as follows: If United make a choice that allows them to actually compete for the league gold in three years, then the choice they make this summer will be a perfect choice, but for that to happen, they must develop both the club and the team, says Tobias Schweinsteiger.



Lifted from united.no.
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Was that published in Norwegian originally?

Anyway - interesting read. He makes a lot of points many on here will agree with (myself included).
 
JPRouve said:
It's interesting because I suspect that you have ten Hag as the system manager and Pochettino has the manager without a discernible identity. If my assumption is correct then you are wrong. Ten Hag is the one that you will have more difficulties to link to a system because he has tweaked things heavily for all the different teams and groups of players at his disposal, while he has a core philosophy that can be linked to Cruijff, he isn't as dogmatic as Pochettino.

Now Pochettino is the one that is more tied to a system. His ideal formation is a 4231 and the base of his tactics has always been to rely on a high line, regaining possession high and trying to score quickly. Now his weakness has remained the same, it is that if his team can't capitalize on early turnovers, they struggle a lot when it comes to create chances against set defenses or low blocks which leads to high and sterile possession rates.
Pochettino is the one that has a very clear formula and it also leads to a constant since his Southampton days, his teams have a high floor and relatively low ceiling.
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I’m glad you said it, some of the statements in this thread about ETH and Poch that are presented as fact are ridiculous. Calling Poch a manager with no discernible style for example!
 
pascell said:
He seems a lot more open in not just talking about moving but actually going ahead with the move.
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The classic "preparing a bid without actually bidding" move to show your intent. He's learning fast. A proper ManUnited tactic that.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Is anyone else worried that PSG might just sack Poch and steal Erik before we get him :lol:
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They need someone like an Ancelotti than ETH. I don‘t see their players responding well to very strict coaching. The only exception maybe is Pep, who is arguably the best manager currently and commands a lot of respect.
 
Floyd said:
t took so long because we on the 2nd team were not perfect, and Erik was masterful in details. He followed every pass. He coached every touch. I remember he kept shouting "no bouncy ball, no bouncy ball." He was so extremely concerned that the passes should not bounce across the grass. They had to go bang, bang from player to player. Therefore, it sometimes took two and a half hours before we managed to complete what the first team managed in half the time.
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If Ten Hag can get our players to pass the ball properly it would be a fecking miracle.
 
LoneStar said:
They need someone like an Ancelotti than ETH. I don‘t see their players responding well to very strict coaching. The only exception maybe is Pep, who is arguably the best manager currently and commands a lot of respect.
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Im worried about ours on this front too.
 
I reckon it's ETH but we won't know for sure until the season ends. I prefer ETH as I'm excited about the new ideas he could bring. If we got Poch it's not "bad" just not as an inspiring choice. Not against either TBH.

I reckon what is vastly more important is how we change how things work upstairs.
 
L1nk said:


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As suspected this won't be announced until the end of the season at his request.

He doesn't want United questions constantly until he wins the title. Professional.
 
Manchester United is a great club and has great fans../ that to me is a quote that means he’s on his way. Praising us already, don’t hear him saying anything about any other teams that are apparently interested in him.
 
Surprised i've not see any threads on 'which players will benefit and who will struggle under ten Hag' even though it's not confirmed . As someone who knows very little about his Ajax side beyond that they play a progressive brand of football, it'll be interesting to see which players will benefit from his coaching according to those who see Ajax regularly. Those expecting a mass clear out and 20 new signings off the bat will be in for rude awakening I think :smirk:
 
JPRouve said:
It's interesting because I suspect that you have ten Hag as the system manager and Pochettino has the manager without a discernible identity. If my assumption is correct then you are wrong. Ten Hag is the one that you will have more difficulties to link to a system because he has tweaked things heavily for all the different teams and groups of players at his disposal, while he has a core philosophy that can be linked to Cruijff, he isn't as dogmatic as Pochettino.

Now Pochettino is the one that is more tied to a system. His ideal formation is a 4231 and the base of his tactics has always been to rely on a high line, regaining possession high and trying to score quickly. Now his weakness has remained the same, it is that if his team can't capitalize on early turnovers, they struggle a lot when it comes to create chances against set defenses or low blocks which leads to high and sterile possession rates.
Pochettino is the one that has a very clear formula and it also leads to a constant since his Southampton days, his teams have a high floor and relatively low ceiling.
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Agreed.

It's also a system of play which can be difficult to sell to more established players imo. And i'd say it's a system of play which is a easier sell to a younger player or a underdog team. Because Pochettino places heavy emphasis on pressing high and winning the ball quickly hence players of the more technical variety aren't as as important in such a system.

Erik ten Hag on the other hand also wants to counter press similar to Pochettino, but ten Hag's primary goal is to control the game in possession whilst Pochettino's primary goal is to win the ball back high up the pitch to force a quick counter attack.
 
You should probably buy Bayern's midfield + Gnabry and Sane for Ten Hag, too...

 
DJ_21 said:
Manchester United is a great club and has great fans../ that to me is a quote that means he’s on his way. Praising us already, don’t hear him saying anything about any other teams that are apparently interested in him.
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More quotes from the interview:

"Bundesliga is a fantastic league and I hope I'll be able to work there one day."
"For me, it's important that a club presents a concrete plan with an idea. What is the goal of the club? Where do they want to go? Why do they want me as the manager? If all that fits, I believe it's possible to find together. My time at Bayern München was fantastic, I felt very well there and still remember these times, when I watch a Bayern game. There's still a positive emotional connection to Bayern and I'm rooting for them."
"It's great when you are linked to a club like Bayern" (in response to having been a candidate for the Kovac succession)
"I'm a big fan of Thomas Müller, he's so complete, on a level, Thomas is intelligent and has his own style, he leads also in difficult phases. That's why he's one of my favourite players. Serge Gnabry and Leroy Sané are terrific creative players and there's a massive talent growing with Jamal Musiala. I also like Joshua Kimmich a lot, he is very important for his teams, as connector and strategist, with his will to win.
"In München I used to go hiking into the mountains. Mountains and water, that's the best combination for me. Unfortunately we don't have mountains in the Netherlands."

:drool: :drool:

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DJ_21 said:
Manchester United is a great club and has great fans../ that to me is a quote that means he’s on his way. Praising us already, don’t hear him saying anything about any other teams that are apparently interested in him.
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It's a done deal. They're preparing the contract for him to sign.
 
USREDEVIL said:
It's a done deal. They're preparing the contract for him to sign.
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Hope so mate. What’s the chances of them announcing it sooner if we lose tomorrow… they’ll want to shut the moaning fans up and cheer them up a little more.
 
Hansi Fick said:
More quotes from the interview:

"Bundesliga is a fantastic league and I hope I'll be able to work there one day."
"For me, it's important that a club presents a concrete plan with an idea. What is the goal of the club? Where do they want to go? Why do they want me as the manager? If all that fits, I believe it's possible to find together. My time at Bayern München was fantastic, I felt very well there and still remember these times, when I watch a Bayern game. There's still a positive emotional connection to Bayern and I'm rooting for them."
"It's great when you are linked to a club like Bayern" (in response to having been a candidate for the Kovac succession)
"I'm a big fan of Thomas Müller, he's so complete, on a level, Thomas is intelligent and has his own style, he leads also in difficult phases. That's why he's one of my favourite players. Serge Gnabry and Leroy Sané are terrific creative players and there's a massive talent growing with Jamal Musiala. I also like Joshua Kimmich a lot, he is very important for his teams, as connector and strategist, with his will to win.
"In München I used to go hiking into the mountains. Mountains and water, that's the best combination for me. Unfortunately we don't have mountains in the Netherlands."

:drool: :drool:

https://www.sport1.de/news/fussball...rm&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharing_app
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We have mountains in Scotland....meh.
 
Hansi Fick said:
More quotes from the interview:

"Bundesliga is a fantastic league and I hope I'll be able to work there one day."
"For me, it's important that a club presents a concrete plan with an idea. What is the goal of the club? Where do they want to go? Why do they want me as the manager? If all that fits, I believe it's possible to find together. My time at Bayern München was fantastic, I felt very well there and still remember these times, when I watch a Bayern game. There's still a positive emotional connection to Bayern and I'm rooting for them."
"It's great when you are linked to a club like Bayern" (in response to having been a candidate for the Kovac succession)
"I'm a big fan of Thomas Müller, he's so complete, on a level, Thomas is intelligent and has his own style, he leads also in difficult phases. That's why he's one of my favourite players. Serge Gnabry and Leroy Sané are terrific creative players and there's a massive talent growing with Jamal Musiala. I also like Joshua Kimmich a lot, he is very important for his teams, as connector and strategist, with his will to win.
"In München I used to go hiking into the mountains. Mountains and water, that's the best combination for me. Unfortunately we don't have mountains in the Netherlands."

:drool: :drool:

https://www.sport1.de/news/fussball...rm&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharing_app
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I wouldn't mind a Ten Hag / Nagelsmann swap in a few years ;)
 
DJ_21 said:
Hope so mate. What’s the chances of them announcing it sooner if we lose tomorrow… they’ll want to shut the moaning fans up and cheer them up a little more.
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I think there's some external politics which need to be taken into consideration. So i reckon they'll either announce it in the next 10 days or not until both seasons are done.
 
I thought they were proud owners of the Vaalserberg?
 
Still suspect we will hire Poch. And Poch, to his credit, is a fantastic manager, although I appreciate that his stock isn’t as high as it was 3 years ago.

Ten Hag and Enrique would be my two faves, but all candidates on reported shortlist are good and have a decent chance at success.
 
Rozay said:
Still suspect we will hire Poch. And Poch, to his credit, is a fantastic manager, although I appreciate that his stock isn’t as high as it was 3 years ago.

Ten Hag and Enrique would be my two faves, but all candidates on reported shortlist are good and have a decent chance at success.
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Doubt we sign Poch unless he's getting sacked. We definitely won't pay his payout clause and if they do sack him, it won't be until after the season has ended, and the club have already said they want to appoint a new manager before the end of the season.

Waiting until June in hope Poch get's sacked, and them him not getting sacked means we end up with god knows who in charge come August.
 
Rozay said:
Still suspect we will hire Poch. And Poch, to his credit, is a fantastic manager, although I appreciate that his stock isn’t as high as it was 3 years ago.

Ten Hag and Enrique would be my two faves, but all candidates on reported shortlist are good and have a decent chance at success.
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Both Poch and ETH would be excellent, but ETH has becoma a big fan favourite and would be afforded much more time by the fans than Poch.
 
crossy1686 said:
What's hilarious about that? Berg means 'mountain'
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As the others said, cause they're really not mountains. :) Not even in the sense of old mountains that have flattened out over time, like we have here in Cape Breton Island or Charlevoix.

I propose a change to 'Vaalserheuvel'. Don't think any Limburger would want to hear that though. :p
 
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