We will go for Pcohettino. That's where all the noise seems to be.
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Sounds like the perfect coach for us. Which means we will hire someone else.
That’s not what I said though… I said they should start speaking to potential targets now and then announce it straight after the season instead of dragging it out.
In Holland where does the media think he will go?
All great Managers love a challenge. Sir Alex left his superb Aberdeen side to manage a United side in far worse condition than our current one. Whoever gets the job will have a big budget and a big squad to work with.
My bad, sorry. I thought you said we should announce it.
It's absolutely what we should do. But it always feels like we act in a very ad hoc manner.
I don't know why but I continue to be amazed by Ajax goal stats since he took charge Dec 2017. I know it's the Eredivisie but it's still very impressive.
Edit: this is over 199 matches and they only broke 500 back in November 21' at 185 matches.
Edit: this is over 199 matches and they only broke 500 back in November 21' at 185 matches.
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Where have you seen this?
There is equal amount of noise for both. Most sources keep mentioning Ten Hag or Poch, there is no clear favourite at the moment.
The noise you're referring to is some of our players allegedly claiming he'd be their preference.
Hopefully our squad of fraudsters have no say in the matter.
I'm trying to understand our fans' reactions if Ten Hag was appointed and we started off pretty badly at the beginning of next season. Would we support sticking with him or want him replaced in that case? How much patience are we willing to afford him?
I think whoever comes in will have a free ride for the first season, knowing that there'll be an expected adjustment period. Of course if he ends up finishing the season appallingly in the bottom half playing terrible football then they'd likely be prematurely let go, but otherwise I don't think there'd be huge amounts of pressure from their first campaign assuming we're competitive around the top 4.
I think the fans will be even more patient than the board. Speaking for myself, if it looks like the manager has a plan or style they're trying to slowly implement, then I'm not too worried about results so long as those incremental improvements are clearly there to see. I've personally written next season off too in terms of there being any chance of notable silverware. I just want to enjoy watching us again.
I'd pretty petty peeved off if we end up appointing Poch, and he starts the likes of Maguire and Rashford, and sets us up negatively in big games while we limp to draws playing disjointed football. I'd lose my backing for him very quickly.
Whoever we appoint should be given time. By nature of appointing someone as manager, we are categorically stating that we believe this person can improve our fortunes and lead us to compete for trophies. You don't change your mind based on teething problems a few weeks or months into his tenure. This individual will be given time to implement his ideas and will be judged accordingly after a sufficient amount of time.
Whoever it is needs time. But IMO the right choice is Ten Hag so of course he'll get loads of time to get it right. If we are visibly getting worse the longer he is here, then of course, you change. As with any manager though, if they are getting their ideas through to the players, if we are slowly improving and playing as a team, if lack of individual quality is letting us down more than the system... Then you give them transfer windows to try and improve the situation further. You keep going on that path until it's clear that what the manager is doing isn't working and it's no longer a case of signings. That's why Ole was given 3 years. We steadily improved for a while, and then he had a big window and the results and performances collapsed completely, based on what he was doing.
I think whoever we appoint, he will need time. I think ETH will get the most leeway. Poch will get slightly less just by seeing social media interactions
As much as he wants. Wants the alternative, to listen to these players?
Ten Hag: “With the tempo that my team is playing in.. at a certain stage during the game the opponent will feel finished. I think that even with the 5-0 end result, they got away with it."
If nothing else, he certainly knows the right things to say. Reminds me so much of Pep. I'll feel so bummed if we don't get him. It's the most obvious choice ever apart from us not getting Klopp back when we had the chance.
If nothing else, he certainly knows the right things to say. Reminds me so much of Pep. I'll feel so bummed if we don't get him. It's the most obvious choice ever apart from us not getting Klopp back when we had the chance.
Remember when Pep took over City ? Playing out from back was horrible and I really thought he was going to fail miserably. We will make some comedy of errors in the beginning and there will be arm chair experts calling his head out.
We also have the world cup coming means, the transition isn't going to be smooth. But by December/Jan we will see some sort of identity.
Long story short- he also needs time and we have to be patient.
Match day thread:
15 mins into the game, still 2-0, disappointed.
Sack him, he is crap.
Get Pochetinonono. Get Mauricio nooooooow!!!!!!
Can people stop mentioning VDS - he's their CEO. We already have Richard Arnold and that isn't changing.
Arnold, Rangnick, Murtough and possibly Fletch all seem to favour Hag, so surely this is a foregone conclusion that he's the main candidate ?
As I've already said in this thread before, it seems like Joel Glazer favors Poch. When it comes down to the wire his opinion is the one that matters. Which means it will be Poch.
Please tell me you have some evidence of this outside of the usual media crap...not sure I could take the disappointment if we end up with Poch.
I'm basing my opinion on the reports, yes but they do come from more reliable individuals.
Either way I think its quite clear its a toss-up between Hag and Poch, if either of them wants it.
I'll support him. There is nobody left to choose from at this point, and he's shown more than any other coach we have had that he deserves time.
I just dont want Poch. I think the players like him because they've heard good stories from their mates at Spurs, and he seems to let players choose themselves at PSG. I don't rate much of his work though.
I absolutely agree. As long as he is showing promise and we see what he is trying to work out with the team, he should be given as much time as he needs. Let's not forget that neither Klopp or Guardiola started with a thunder, but you could see what they were trying to do over the course of a season.
And what makes it seem that Poch is favoured by Joel Glazer?
We have to go all out and get him while we can. If we don’t someone else will and we’ll regret it.
We don't have the balls to hire a n EPL unproven manager. So it will be Poch. I would really want to see ETH here just because of the hype. It would be interesting to see if we keep failing even under him. If we fail under Poch it will be: "I told you" all over Caf.
People want Ten Hag on pure vibes that he could be a managerial genius so we can't risk that he goes elsewhere. In reality, Poch's CV is way better.
It’s not all about CVs though, is it? Otherwise we’d be sitting here with another few CL and PL titles provided by the CV bullies Mourinho and Van Gaal.
Yea it is better And I don’t see why ten hag is so popular just because of his philosophy. Football is more than just what a manager philosophy is. Ten hag despite being older than poch is an unknown when it comes to managing a team with big egos and poor structures in place. The question that needs to be put since ten hag is cafe choice is, What happens if we get ten hag and he fails? Let’s be honest, Ralf ragnick has improved our performance, but we are still not significantly better than Ole, who was a disaster. Ralf like ten hag adhere to a strict philosophy that they want their players to follow and considering that there is no way, we will change our entire squad because of how much we have wasted the last few years, ten hag will have to utilize what we have And make minor alterations. As such ten hag might face the same issue ralf is facing with Our current squad. Another question is whether the players we have want ten hag and will not sabotage him. We have a talented bunch of players, but if they don’t see ten hag as qualified enough like they see Ralf , then it will be pointless with our current crop of players.
Pretty sure we'll end up with Poch. He seems done with the melodrama of Messi/Neymar/Mbappe at PSG and they seem done with him. I don't necessarily think Poch is a bad choice for us, I think he's a top manager but I think it is another example in a list of hundreds in the past few years that is the easy option not the correct option.
Poch is, essentially a manager who's best work is behind him like all the others we have hired since SAF. Erik Ten Hag is on the up and plays a more dynamic system based approach. If you look at all the most successful teams in recent years be it, City, Liverpool, Bayern, Chelsea they are almost all driven by a high intensity system focused on harrying and pressing the opposition. Poch does use a pressing system but less so than ETH.
I just wish for once we brought in a dynamic young manager with ideas who would be willing to rock the boat. I just can't imagine Poch dropping Maguire/McFred for example whereas I think ETH would be much more comfortable to tell them all to get fecked.
Poch is, essentially a manager who's best work is behind him like all the others we have hired since SAF. Erik Ten Hag is on the up and plays a more dynamic system based approach. If you look at all the most successful teams in recent years be it, City, Liverpool, Bayern, Chelsea they are almost all driven by a high intensity system focused on harrying and pressing the opposition. Poch does use a pressing system but less so than ETH.
I just wish for once we brought in a dynamic young manager with ideas who would be willing to rock the boat. I just can't imagine Poch dropping Maguire/McFred for example whereas I think ETH would be much more comfortable to tell them all to get fecked.
Tbf, both Mourinho's and LvG's CVs were better than Klopp's when they were appointed. See how that one turned out.
Wanting the manager whose coached a side that have conceded 10 goals all season, won all 6 of their Champions League group games (with only the current champions scoring more goals in those 6 matches), and having already scored 102 goals in all competitions this season is “pure vibes”. Right. 
These are exactly the pure vibes I'm talking about. How does this compare to successful reigns at PL clubs? It doesn't. It's these statistics that make people think he's some kind of miracle working genius who would revolutionize OT within weeks. Scoring 102 goals in all competitions whilst managing Ajax should be way, way less relevant criteria for the United job than getting 86 points with Spurs.Wanting the manager whose coached a side that have conceded 10 goals all season, won all 6 of their Champions League group games (with only the current champions scoring more goals in those 6 matches), and having already scored 102 goals in all competitions this season is “pure vibes”. Right.
I'm not saying he's not doing as fantastic job at Ajax. I'm saying people are being swung by certain vibey statistics that actually should be way less relevant than those that Poch has in his favour.
Positive vibes onlyWanting the manager whose coached a side that have conceded 10 goals all season, won all 6 of their Champions League group games (with only the current champions scoring more goals in those 6 matches), and having already scored 102 goals in all competitions this season is “pure vibes”. Right.
Had Ragnick not been appointed i'm very confident we'd have gone with Poch. Ticks the right buttons for the board. But i'm hoping with appointing Raagnick they've come to realize they need an actual footbaling brain to start making decisions and will go with his choice, which i think is far more likely to be Sir Hag.
There isnt really talk about it currently...