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JPRouve said:
So she agrees that United do not create enough chances and that it's one of ten Hag's mission. Once again I'm right, @TheReligion. :D
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I think you’ve missed my point which was irrespective of what stats you use we would have converted more, and created more, had we not had a shortage of forwards.

We had a spell of being quite creative but heads seemed to drop when we were missing opportunities regularly (around the Boro, Burnley period) seemingly the knock on effect of these dropped points killed the team.
 
Is the start of pre season going to be earlier this year due to the World Cup?
 
TheReligion said:
I think you’ve missed my point which was irrespective of what stats you use we would have converted more, and created more, had we not had a shortage of forwards.

We had a spell of being quite creative but heads seemed to drop when we were missing opportunities regularly (around the Boro, Burnley period) seemingly the knock on effect of these dropped points killed the team.
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We didn't create more with them.
 
United in sin said:
What makes Rangknick 'old school' in your eyes?
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The fact he went from manager to sports and development at the Russian club. When I say old school I mean someone with old fashioned training methods. We need guardiola/ten Hag type of training who focus on movement and vertical passing. Rangnick is suppose to be a gegenpress manager but we’ve not seen anything as such for us.
 
JPRouve said:
We didn't create more with them.
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We created a feckton around that time. What was our XG and XG difference in those games? I'd be surprised to see Ajax be much better than those numbers. It was mental to see us throw points in that period.
 
Blood Mage said:
I think it's ridiculous that people are writing Bruno off. He's a top talent who's been starved of proper coaching for years. If Ten Hag can make a player out of Tadic he can do the same with Bruno.
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You can better compare him to Ziyech at Ajax. Started as a 10 but lost the ball too much with risky play. So Ziyech was moved to RW and he really started shining. I can see the same thing happen to Bruno. A winger with a lot of freedom to do whatever he wants and doesn't have to worry that much about losing the ball
 
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VP89 said:
We created a feckton around that time. What was our XG and XG difference in those games? I'd be surprised to see Ajax be much better than those numbers. It was mental to see us throw points in that period.
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Which period are you talking about?
 
Blood Mage said:
I think it's ridiculous that people are writing Bruno off. He's a top talent who's been starved of proper coaching for years. If Ten Hag can make a player out of Tadic he can do the same with Bruno.
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Most fans are reactionary and short-sighted.
 
DJ_21 said:
The fact he went from manager to sports and development at the Russian club. When I say old school I mean someone with old fashioned training methods. We need guardiola/ten Hag type of training who focus on movement and vertical passing. Rangnick is suppose to be a gegenpress manager but we’ve not seen anything as such for us.
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What are these old fashioned methods? When Ralph Hassenhuttl stepped down from Liepzig in 2018 Rangknick came in as coach from his sporting director role for a season and he had them finish third in the Bundesliga and runners up in the DFB-Pokal.

That was after a long layoff from coaching. How did he achieve that with antiquated methods? It took Klopp four seasons to get Liverpool in the optimal shape to fire on all cylinders and you expected Rangnick to make a huge dent in under 6 months with no preseason? Hag won't be a miracle worker. But back to Ralph's old fashioned methods
 
United in sin said:
What are these old fashioned methods? When Ralph Hassenhuttl stepped down from Liepzig in 2018 Rangknick came in as coach from his sporting director role for a season and he had them finish third in the Bundesliga and runners up in the DFB-Pokal.

That was after a long layoff from coaching. How did he achieve that with antiquated methods? It took Klopp four seasons to get Liverpool in the optimal shape to fire on all cylinders and you expected Rangnick to make a huge dent in under 6 months with no preseason? Hag won't be a miracle worker. But back to Ralph's old fashioned methods
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Ye you could argue it takes managers a lot longer but then you could just point to tuchel and how long it took him to win the CL with Chelsea. With the right manager, right system and tactics you can turn a team around rapid. The problem we have and it’s just not with rangnick… all the managers we’ve had insist on playing with the same team week in week out no matter how crap they’ve been. Players should play based on form and nothing els.
 
DJ_21 said:
Ye you could argue it takes managers a lot longer but then you could just point to tuchel and how long it took him to win the CL with Chelsea. With the right manager, right system and tactics you can turn a team around rapid. The problem we have and it’s just not with rangnick… all the managers we’ve had insist on playing with the same team week in week out no matter how crap they’ve been. Players should play based on form and nothing els.
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A Chelsea team already accustomed to an attacking style with lots of pressing.
United is far behind any PL club in the top 6 in terms of playing a modern style of football
 
Terranova said:
You can better compare him to Ziyech at Ajax. Started as a 10 but lost the ball too much with risky play. So Ziyech was moved to RW and he really started shining. I can see the same thing happen to Bruno. A winger with a lot of freedom to do whatever he wants and doesn't have to worry that much about losing the ball
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Ziyech is a much better dribbler than Bruno, who has basically no ability to beat anyone.
 
Giant Midget said:
Ziyech is a much better dribbler than Bruno, who has basically no ability to beat anyone.
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yes, but Ziyech's game wasn't about dribbling, more the killer passes and general playmaking. So it would fit Bruno well.
 
DJ_21 said:
Ye you could argue it takes managers a lot longer but then you could just point to tuchel and how long it took him to win the CL with Chelsea. With the right manager, right system and tactics you can turn a team around rapid. The problem we have and it’s just not with rangnick… all the managers we’ve had insist on playing with the same team week in week out no matter how crap they’ve been. Players should play based on form and nothing els.
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Tuchel had the benefit of walking into an already well drilled Chelsea squad. Chelsea are on of those clubs with player recruitment that aligns with their ethos, making for relatively easy transitions from manager to manager. Liverpool needed an overhaul under Klopp, United will need one under Ten Hag. No manager is turning this current group of players around rapidly at united IMO. We have a group of talented misfits. Your criticism of Rangknick is harsh. That Liepzig team had an average starting 11 age of 22.6. His tactics resonated with them. That young squad made the semis of the CL the ensuing season under Ragknick's handpicked successor Nagelsmann
 
phelans shorts said:
I haven’t seen a single person write him off. A few have said that there’s a real chance that he won’t fit which is a fair concern, because Bruno is naturally something of a maverick, which doesn’t fit a systemic approach. It’s happened before and it’ll happen again.
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Well you seem to be fixated on writting him off. Almost like you are able to see the future.
 
JPRouve said:
Two of these players are out of contract and their wages aren't worth any focus for this club.
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It does look bad to new, young players to see that United has become some sort of a retirement home though. Send the message and make it clear. A good time to do so while we're in a big transition (yet again). It's not just about money.
 
tenpoless said:
Well you seem to be fixated on writting him off. Almost like you are able to see the future.
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If you can find a single post where I say it won’t work feel free to post it. I’m saying it’s a very real possibility because history says it’s most likely.

I hope it works, obviously, but you’re trying to create a narrative that just isn’t there
 
How much fun is he going to have coaching Elanga?
 
@Adnan considering how well informed you are on the subject , may I ask whether ten hag could fit Ronaldo to suit his game plan and if so how, also what about bruno's lack of displine and chaotic marauding, can ten hag accommodate him?
Thanks.
 
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Red the Bear said:
@Adnan considering how well informed you are on the subject , may I ask whether ten hag could fit Ronaldo to suit his game plan and if so how, also what about bruno's lack of displine and chaotic marauding, can ten hag accommodate him?
Thanks.
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It's a tough question, and I could be wrong, but I think ten Hag would prefer to play with a more dynamic striker both with and without the ball. But having said that, he could fit him in, in his first season, but he (ten Hag) would have to raise the floor when it comes to the overall performance of the team. So raising the teams ability in defensive and offensive transition would get the best out of Ronaldo imo, who is still a huge threat in front of goal.

Bruno I think could be utilised as a wide play-maker, where his risk taking wouldn't be as detrimental to the team. But if he utilises him centrally, then he has to make sure that Bruno looks after the ball better than he does, because the aim will be to create a proactive attacking team in a compact high block. And giving the ball away in central zones could easily see us be cut wide open on the counter attack due to the space we'll leave between the keeper and CBs, who will be closer to the half way line.
 
One thing I find annoying about the potential appointment of Erik Ten Hag is that it seems like we 'must' also appoint someone who has been at the club before.

Steve McClaren - was linked last week and even Luke Chadwick who played phwoar nearly 300, oops, I mean 30 games for us says Stevie should be Erik's assistant.

Robin Van Persie - seems to be the latest one.

We really don't need to be sentimental about this, McClaren was here 20 years ago - a hell of a lot has changed since then, Robin Van Persie was her 7 years ago - hardly any of the players from then are still here for him to relate to, is it really beneficial to Ten Hag?

I would much rather we kept it simple, Erik Ten Hag has done a good job at Ajax, this is why he is the top candidate... at Ajax he has his own coaching staff - these are the only people we should be looking to bring in with him - and that includes the Michell Van Der Gaag.
 
Adnan said:
It's a tough question, and I could be wrong, but I think ten Hag would prefer to play with a more dynamic striker both with and without the ball. But having said that, he could fit him in, in his first season, but he (ten Hag) would have to raise the floor when it comes to the overall performance of the team. So raising the teams ability in defensive and offensive transition would get the best out of Ronaldo imo, who is still a huge threat in front of goal.

Bruno I think could be utilised as a wide play-maker, where his risk taking wouldn't be as detrimental to the team. But if he utilises him centrally, then he has to make sure that Bruno looks after the ball better than he does, because the aim will be to create a proactive attacking team in a compact high block. And giving the ball away in central zones could easily see us be cut wide open on the counter attack due to the space we'll leave between the keeper and CBs, who will be closer to the half way line.
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Thanks for the thoughtful and informative answer, I'll appreciate it.

He sure has his work cut out for him though.
 
Hopefully we get some sort of confirmation tomorrow. First time since 1986 we are appointing a manager/coach who is highly rated and not past his best.

Can't wait to see how he shapes up this squad.
 
Dan-Utd said:
One thing I find annoying about the potential appointment of Erik Ten Hag is that it seems like we 'must' also appoint someone who has been at the club before.

Steve McClaren - was linked last week and even Luke Chadwick who played phwoar nearly 300, oops, I mean 30 games for us says Stevie should be Erik's assistant.

Robin Van Persie - seems to be the latest one.

We really don't need to be sentimental about this, McClaren was here 20 years ago - a hell of a lot has changed since then, Robin Van Persie was her 7 years ago - hardly any of the players from then are still here for him to relate to, is it really beneficial to Ten Hag?

I would much rather we kept it simple, Erik Ten Hag has done a good job at Ajax, this is why he is the top candidate... at Ajax he has his own coaching staff - these are the only people we should be looking to bring in with him - and that includes the Michell Van Der Gaag.
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a lot of the time this stuff is just the press doing 2+2 =5 and pulling some names out thin air

I wouldn't touch Rene or McClaren, personally. RVP would be an interesting choice.

Rene disappeared up his own arse years ago and even that was after McClaren was still relevant.

I don't think it's gonna hurt to bring in a Dutchie with some PL experience to help smooth things along for Ten Hag. But he'll make the choice so we shouldn't worry too much about it.
 
tenpoless said:
Worrying about Bruno should be the last thing we do when we still have passengers like Jones, Mata & Lingard, Pogba with unclear future, out of form Rashford, old Ronaldo, demotivated Maguire, non attacking AWB, no DM with Matic leaving next season, .... the list goes on and on but sure, sell the most impactfull player in the last 2-3 years on average because ETH seems like a bald idiot who doesnt know how to instruct players to fit into his system or vice versa. Just because Bruno didnt play the way you want to, he wont be able to do it in his life, yeah sure because football works like eFootball.

Seems like talking shit about Bruno gives some people a hard on.
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Exactly. Bruno is the least of our problems. As per caf we should sell the only creative player we have, who is capable of producing some respectable numbers.
 
Dan-Utd said:
Steve McClaren - was linked last week and even Luke Chadwick who played phwoar nearly 300, oops, I mean 30 games for us says Stevie should be Erik's assistant.
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Steve won a treble as our assistant, and working together with Ten Hag they won Twente their only Eredivisie title in their history.
He’d be massively over-qualified for the job and has worked excellent with Ten Hag and Manchester United previously, yet that “bothers you” somehow?
 
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