Don't think we're saying anything different. Though at this stage Ralf can't even get them to press for more than 20 minutes at most.
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Don't think we're saying anything different. Though at this stage Ralf can't even get them to press for more than 20 minutes at most.
I don't think its hate and quite a lot of football is subjective so its not re-writing history is just a difference of opinion. People, myself included probably indulge in some hyperbole but Ole was a rubbish manager.
Yep, I think history will treat Oles era a lot better than what it was seen at the time. A lot of these posts are now saying we need to rip up the squad because we can’t press high etc but Ole was the worst in the world for not being able to do it with the exact same squad and I’m not sure how much control he had over transfers
Considering it is a position we do need - is the Mexican lad Alvarez from Ajax good enough for us?
Just wondering if Ten Hag would bring him here if he was - as he seems cheaper than the rest aswell.
Just wondering if Ten Hag would bring him here if he was - as he seems cheaper than the rest aswell.
I'm what workd is finishing 3rd and 2nd and getting to a cup final relaxation fodder form? Football might be subjective but there's rewriting of history on the caf currently in general. Be interesting to see people's views in 2 years time.
This is hilariously condescending. We’ll have to take a look at your fantastic contributions and learn from them!
People never learn. . . Fred, maybe but McT literally wouldn’t get near match day squads of the teams we’re aiming to compete with. He’s a beacon of the mediocrity fans have began to accept because he looks like he’s trying. We can’t replace the whole squad in one window so he’ll feature in the immediate future but we honestly need to be shipping him to Newcastle along with Shaw & Co.
I think the narrative there was his stint at Cardiff as they were relegated with him as the manager.
relegating Cardiff, molde in the Norwegian league to managing Manchester United is one big jump and in fairness he did ok given his experience.
But that’s why you have city and liverpool winning what they are now and we are not.
Ten haag has a better pedigree but we are a big jump again from Ajax who are a champions league team. Managing man united is a huge huge huge job to get right. It’s a important club that’s been mistreated for too long. Ole was never going to win us the big honours and as much as I love the guy it’s the truth.
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Depends on how the DM is going to play here. He's barely good enough for Ajax because at Ajax the DM needs to be able to pass as well. But as a pure DM he's rather good.
Which is well documented and when anyone gives it just an inch of thought, you realise the problems at that club went far beyond the manager (sound familiar?) and they were always bound to go down.
3rd with 66 points and 2nd with 74 points is nothing to write home about, the only reason we finished so high in the table was because other teams were absolutely dire those years. We sacked LVG for a 66 point finish 3 years less than 3 years before Ole. We’re on course for 62 points this year in what has been an absolute disaster of a season for feck’s sake.
That's fair. Thanks.
As an Ajax fan what do you think about Ten Hag managing United?
Does it get you excited due to how Ten Hag got Ajax playing? Do you think he can make that step up to managing United in a tough league? Is he as good as people say he is basically?
yep. He obviously didn’t have the players and the support which is obviously huge and at united you have better players so it’s a unfair assessment, But united should have the absolute best of the best managing them. In size of stature were the big 4 id say. Real, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and us.. but on the pitch we’re not even top 15 and we won’t be until we are ruthless enough to go for the best there is. Ole is a good manager but he isn’t the top tier elite level that should be managing us. That’s a fact. Nothing emotional or sentimental to it..
I would say no, it's a CB playing in midfield. He should be upgraded by Ajax themselves.
I agree since Tan is a nutter but that doesn't absolve him from responsibilty or criticism. But he was given a good amount of money to spend in the Championship who really didn't do well which in the end cost him that job.
Not necessarily disagreeing with any of this, I'm arguing against the initial point of "Ole isn't good enough to manage relegation fodder" which is strictly horse shit.
Disagree. I think Ole will be a United legend for his playing days but I don't think he's prem quality as a manager. Will be interesting to see if he's in the running for any prem jobs in the future, assuming he's interested, as that would answer the question.
He was crap at Cardiff so the evidence suggests otherwise
Christ on a stick.... I dont remember Jose getting this much stick like 6 months after he left. This is a feck Ten Hag thread. But yet the dumb cnuts need to bring up Ole at every opportunity.
Without dragging this futile argument out any further, do you really think that's a fair and objective benchmark by which to measure managers, considering the managerial merry-go-round that exists within football?
I think he isnt. Bet you wont see PL teams approaching him anytime soon enough even those on relegation battle.
You have a poor memory.
Everytime this thread is bumped I optimistically pop in for a look to see if it's confirmed we're getting this exciting new managers to be confronted with the eternal tyre fire of people arguing about Ole.
Its going to take him time to adapt to the competitiveness of English football and also molding this team of shitbags into...well..a team.
Hopefully he will get a sizeable budget this summer and be able to replace our entire midfield for starters.
Hopefully he will get a sizeable budget this summer and be able to replace our entire midfield for starters.
That's exactly what they were discussing. Try reading next time.
I think its the case of moving on.
Yeap. Its just dumb. Ole has become some scapegoat or pinata for all the ills of their lives.
You can do a lot with a bag of shite. Put some seeds in and water it every so often and you get lovely flowers.
Thats the great hope. A manager that can actually get our talented players to play like a team and fulfill their potential.
I refuse to believe that Rashford and co. are this poor. They've shown before what they are capable of. This season we seem to have appointed the wrong manager(s) in our push for fourth.
Thats on the board and CEO yet again.
Is it horse shit. He managed a side when they were relegated and didn't even get close to par out of the quality of player that United have/had after spending £300m. The expectations change depending on your resources and assets and given a wealth of assets he didn't deliver. He didn't add any value to set of players that he assembled.
Top managers add value to the players that are under them. Ole didn't do that. This is why people think he was rubbish. At no point in his managerial career does he appear to have outperformed expectations based on his and his clubs position.
Fun fact: Erik Ten Hag's assistant Mitchell van der Gaag spent 5 successful* seasons at C.S. Marítimo, a Primeira Liga team based in Funchal, Madeira! He can Ronaldo can have a chin wag about Ronaldo's remote hometown.
*may also have been a failure, how would I know
*may also have been a failure, how would I know
at least your post is relating to ETH rather than the Ole debate that is going on in the wrong thread!
What the hell is even that?
it's a bit ambitious to say it even relates to ETH but at least the bar is so low that it gets a pass!Apologies I meant chin wag! Edited.
Nope, and I made all efforts to move on too!!
That makes a lot more sense, I was worried about your safety after the previous post.
To be honest, i don't have a clue. Ten Hags Ajax isn't that much different from how Ajax always have been playing. Tactically maybe, but to the eye, not so much. But it'll be a culture shock for the fans at United, if he manages to implement a similar system here. But i'm not that sad that he might leave Ajax. He's been great for the past years, but it's time for something new now.
Hopefully he's allowed to flog off Ronaldo and a few other people that are eating up the wage budget.