It took Klopp four years to start getting results. It did not take him four years to get his sides playing the football he is known for. It was the same with Pep. Pep had City pressing like his sides usually do, and playing possession football like his sides are accustomed to doing. However, there were mistakes made by players (hence the results not being great), that forced him to adjust by getting rid of those players. Tweaks in the form of buying players that are better suited made their sides play a better form of what they were already producing. The results came from that.
Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed
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Thats a fancy way of saying you’re broke.
Haha nice one. He's only been a full member for three seconds too. That's the caf baby!
Absolutely spot on.
There's nothing basically wrong with most of the players. I look forward to the next season and Ten Hag.
Martial, Bailly and Jones as well.
Mct and Fred are good squad players. We can't have our best XI playing every single game. They will be great for rotation.
The poster is assuming a lineup without any new signings, which is expected as we do not know who the club is targeting, we hope for at least a new striker and a new DM, 2 names might make this lineup much better.
Agreed with the backline and keeper though he might like Dalot's ball carrying (a key part of Mazraoui's game), and Laird is struggling to get time at Bournemouth (after apparently being great for Swansea) so I'll go safely with him, despite his issues.
In midfield, I'd guess we add a #6 and then probably go with VDB and Fred with one of Mejbri or Garner hopefully winning the job over Fred by the end of the season.
Bruno and Sancho either side of a #9, either Cristiano or a new signing.
That's only 2 new signings, and we signed 3 first teamers last year in Sancho, Varane and Cristiano, so maybe add a CB or a fullback or a #8.
Question for you & others on here, if it doesn't work to that time line, is Ten Hag under pressure? My question really is how patient are you guys going to be?
The reason I ask is that from a rival fans take that looks very ambitious. Your first point about getting rid of unwanted players is not easy if they have a contract. They'll probably be paid at Man Utd more than they will get paid elsewhere, & we've seen increasingly that players don't want to walk away from money.
This in turn can affect who you want to bring in, as its more difficult to bring in players when the squad is already bloated.
So this turnaround often takes 3 or 4 windows, rather that 1 or 2.
Also, the level of competition in the Premier League is quite high. There are a lot of teams who are cash rich, who have world class coaches, & who will be further along in their evolution than Utd will be under Ten Hag.
So will yourself & fellow fans give ETH time, even if he takes 1 or 2 steps back in order to take 3 or 4 steps forward, or will you demand instant improvement in terms of results & placings?
Going to be tough, watching de Gea get ushered out of the side when he's wanted us to be better for so long and stuck by us, doing all those difficult post-match interviews when no-one else would. Fan favourite as well
In the year of our lord 2022 United fans are still conning themselves that we are only a few signings away. . .
Luke Shaw is case in point, been crap at points under 4 managers but here’s more rope. We can’t sell everyone in one Summer but that guy needs to be playing for Newcastle by 2024.
DDG/Henderson, Heaton
Dalot, Laird
Lindelof, McT/Mengi
Varane, Maguire
Shaw, Telles
DM, Garner
CM, Fred
Bruno, VdB
RW, Elanga
Sancho, Rashford
Ronaldo, CF
We need 5-6 signings. We can probably make do with 4, but we will have to compromise in CB/RB. Because CF, CM, RW and DM are must.
Dalot, Laird
Lindelof, McT/Mengi
Varane, Maguire
Shaw, Telles
DM, Garner
CM, Fred
Bruno, VdB
RW, Elanga
Sancho, Rashford
Ronaldo, CF
We need 5-6 signings. We can probably make do with 4, but we will have to compromise in CB/RB. Because CF, CM, RW and DM are must.
Fred? No thanks? Hardworking? Decent? Good guy? No thanks. Simply not good enough for Man Utd. Our bench (3-5 main subs) has to be as good as the Starting XI.
It's going to be a question of priorities this summer - the squad needs so much work that it is going to be impossible to do it all in a single window (it will need at least three or four).
Ten Hag has shown that he is quite flexible in the way his sides attack. The previous iteration of his Ajax side (the one that KO'd Real Madrid and Juve from the CL) played with a false 9 and lots of rotation among the front four players. His current side plays with a traditional #9, less rotation and a greater focus on getting crosses into the box.
However, in defence, he has a very clear idea of how his teams must build the play from the back - this is a fundamental principle that does not change. We all think that RW and CF are key areas for investment this summer, but I wonder if Ten Hag might instead look to lay the foundations for his new team in defence, and focus on getting the GK, CB, RB and #6 he needs to build the play the way he wants. In the short term, he might just find a way to work with what he already has in the forward positions (even if it is slim pickings).
Doesn't sound like he has much power over anything then really? All the incomings and outgoings wont at all have input from Ten Hag, unless im reading that wrong
Read the other tweets. He has remit to cut through the dressing room and have players fall in line.
PR machine in full flow. I really hope we back this manager with better recruitment because he is potentially a top top manager who could take us to another level. That will not happen if we handcuff him with players who are not good enough, or high profile players on crazy wages but do not fit what we want to achieve
I think it's more likely Bruno plays the Berghuis role from this season.
1. His workrate is better than Pogba.
2. His been playing decent football for the better part of this season.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want him as first choice, but it wouldn't make sense to buy players just to make them sit on the bench. We've always had players like this even in SAF era.
Most fans would be accepting as long as we see effort and the start of the plan. It shouldn’t take forever to to see patterns of play etc even if we don’t succeed at the highest level right away.
A lot of our impatience has come from knowing even at our best under Ole we weren’t winning in a sustainable way. It was moments of magic and once the luck turns it your form dips there is nothing to fall back on.
In a right setup Fred might be extremely efficient imo. We’ll see what EtH does.
Fred is a runner with a give it all mentality that I personally rate high. He has technical abilities as well. His passing is okay/good, but should be better. His shots is not bad at all, but must improve if he wants to take them from distance. His got good finale ball crossing/passing and he makes good runs in to the box.
I see a future for him at United tbh.
I'm definitely willing to give him time. But by time I don't mean forever. I would look for improvements to the team and our style of play season by season.
I certainly would not expect anything next season. I would take the coming season for him to establish his style and slowly build his team. Get some of the toxic and useless players out and buy smart. Finishing 4th would be great for him.
If we're realistic, I think it will take him 2 full seasons to get his team together. I would expect him to win something in his 3rd season. The key is to gradually improve season by season - and if he continues to do that, then I am willing to give him all the time he needs.
Ole not taking lead in day to day training sessions is absolutely ridiculous. It would have been a valid stance if this approach has worked for him, which it never did. Completely out of his depth, lack of competence and insight in himself as a manager.
Will be exciting to see what Ten Hag can do in changing our playing style and uniting our for part most spineless squad. Offloading the most toxic ones is a must, even if it’s obvious that he can’t get rid of all of them at once.
Will take a few years this
Fred is one of the few players I think has a really good chance with ETH. Never got the impression that he is an ounce of bother. Will do what he is told. Happy to run all day. Puts the team first. We've seen a much better version of Fred this season so far.
Perhaps he will be replaced but I think he will have a much better chance of a future here than a lot of our players.
If we aren't playing like prime Barcelona, with Fred and McTominay the new Xavi and Iniesta on pre-season, then I will be asking why they didn't get Pochettino.
In seriousness, I think as long as there's genuine signs of slow progress then he'll be okay.
I think Solskjaer made genuine progress with the club from when he took over until the day before the Europa League Final 11 months ago, which he then completely bottled by playing safe and ultimately never recovered from. Coupled with a couple of other semi final / final losses, I think people just lost faith that he was the man to take them over the line.
United are the laughing stock of football again so far in 2022, but there is more scope for turning Manchester United into a title challenging side than people accept. They finished above the best team in football history, Liverpool, just a year ago. First and foremost next season, I'd just like to see him get the confidence back into the players and get them playing some effective football and winning more than 2 games in a row. The rest will follow.
He was trying too hard to replicate Fergie, difference is Fergie was Fergie, and Ole wasn't good enough to manage relegation fodder, nevermind the biggest club in England. And unlike Fergie he didn't surround himself with elite coaches either, so we had an ex player and a youth team coach essentially coaching our first team. Its no surprise it went tits up.
Who do you think Fergie had when he first moved to United? Archie Knox and then Brian Kidd.
Aye, hence the lack of insight in himself and being delusional.
What's with all the hatred towards Ole?
I mean he got 3rd and 2nd in his first two seasons and the finals of the europa league. He wasn't terrible and much better than relegation fodder but that doesn't fit your narrative.
Precisely. He also gave me one of the most memorable moments in my life. I don't remember my wedding but those few minutes... I remember them like yesterday.
I will be forever grateful.
Its not hatred. I don't know if this is just a modern issue but people can't seem to separate the person from their actions.
Ole seems like a lovely guy. I doubt too many people on here would disagree with that. He was a fecking awful manager for a club the size of United however. The two are almost entirely unrelated.
I think Lewis Hamilton is a pillock but a fantastic F1 driver.
I think that Djokovic is a fantastic tennis player but an absolute bellend.
I think that Mata should have left the club about 4 years ago but is an absolutely lovely guy.
Please stop equating being critical of someones performance as being critical of their character.
Love the rewriting of Ole time here.
No one's doing that though? The constant ole hate and rewriting of history is just boring.