Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed

[lsd]

Everybody is a gamble. Klopp was a gamble, Guardiola was a gamble to some degree, as was Tuchel. None of them had done it in the PL, and Tuchel had hardly lit up the other leagues he'd played in. For every Dutch import that's failed here there's also been successes. Sometimes you just have to take the plunge, just as Bayern did with Nagelsmann.

If you think Pep,Klopp and Tuchel were gambles after what they had achieved before coming to the premiership god only knows what that make Ten Hag.

Absolute lunacy would be my guess going by that.

Also this must be the millionth time now I have seen Klopp wheeled out as an example by people wanting Ten Hag.

Yes he could be like Klopp but it's more likely he could be like like Magath, Santini, Villa Boas Gullit etc.

There have been far more gambles on managers that have tanked in the premiership than the few that have succeeded

 

[Ludens the Red]

I know it’s not that simple but seeing Benfica line up with an Otamendi/Vertonghen defence in a 2022 cl knockout tie and knowing that the manager of the club who allowed that to happen, is probably our next manager is a little bit fecking depressing.

 

[MUFC OK]

If you think Pep,Klopp and Tuchel were gambles after what they had achieved before coming to the premiership god only knows what that make Ten Hag.

Absolute lunacy would be my guess going by that.

Also this must be the millionth time now I have seen Klopp wheeled out as an example by people wanting Ten Hag.

Yes he could be like Klopp but it's more likely he could be like like Magath, Santini, Villa Boas Gullit etc.

There have been far more gambles on managers that have tanked in the premiership than the few that have succeeded

Nothing about what you’ve written there is a reason to get Poch who is, well, Poch.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I know it’s not that simple but seeing Benfica line up with an Otamendi/Vertonghen defence in a 2022 cl knockout tie and knowing that the manager of the club who allowed that to happen, is probably our next manager is a little bit fecking depressing.

He didn’t “allow that to happen”, did he? They lost a CL tie. It happens. Or are we only looking for managers unbeaten in the CL? That’s a very short list.

 

[Ludens the Red]

He didn’t “allow that to happen”, did he? They lost a CL tie. It happens. Or are we only looking for managers unbeaten in the CL? That’s a very short list.

yeah that’s what I meant by “it’s not that simple”.. I’m not saying we shouldn’t go for him or anything like that, just that it’s a bit depressing when you add it to the long list of shitness that currently exists supporting United.

 

[lsd]

Nothing about what you’ve written there is a reason to get Poch who is, well, Poch.

I wasn't advocating for Poch though I would certainly take him over Ten Hag.

However feel free to downplay everything Poch has done as I notice that along with mentioning Klopp every post that is pretty much all people who want Ten Hag can say which is worrying if that's who we get.

 

[MUFC OK]

I wasn't advocating for Poch though I would certainly take him over Ten Hag.

However feel free to downplay everything Poch has done as I notice that along with mentioning Klopp every post that is pretty much all people who want Ten Hag can say which is worrying if that's who we get.

Assuming our goal is to get back to the summit of European football, there’s no chance under Poch - we’ve seen the best of him already. Top 4 with an awful record against the big clubs. Then underwhelming with an incredible array of talent at PSG, no team identity and underachieved.

ETH might never do it either but his potential ceiling is higher than the alternative.

 

[Amadaeus]

Ajax score 2 goals away at Benfica, had 8 shots on taget with 60% possession. Similar stats to Liverpool today against Benfica actually, but of course comparing Liverpool squad to the one Ajax have is kind of unfair, is it not?

They also conceded 2 goals there. Also, there was an error in my post as Ajax couldn't score at their own home instead. Which is even worse. Regardless Liverpool had 67% while Ajax had 58%, Liverpool also had 17 attempts compared to Ajax with 11(with benefica having more with 16 against them), liverpool also had nearly double the amount of passes compared to Ajax who is suppose to have an attractive type of football. I know some fans wants to hype ETH as much as they can, but they really need to stop gaslighting other posters on here. I agree we can't compare liverpool to Ajax squad, but Ajax is a better team than benefica and they should have imposed themselves more if ETH philosophy is what fans on can't seem to get enough of.

 

[macheda14]

They also conceded 2 goals there. Also, there was an error in my post as Ajax couldn't score at their own home instead. Which is even worse. Regardless Liverpool had 67% while Ajax had 58%, Liverpool also had 17 attempts compared to Ajax with 11(with benefica having more with 16 against them), liverpool also had nearly double the amount of passes compared to Ajax who is suppose to have an attractive type of football. I know some fans wants to hype ETH as much as they can, but they really need to stop gaslighting other posters on here. I agree we can't compare liverpool to Ajax squad, but Ajax is a better team than benefica and they should have imposed themselves more if ETH philosophy is what fans on can't seem to get enough of.

Pretty much every stat you’ve quoted is about what you’d expect as the difference between Liverpool and Ajax. Liverpool are arguably the second best side in the world at the moment.

 

[Sviken]

They also conceded 2 goals there. Also, there was an error in my post as Ajax couldn't score at their own home instead. Which is even worse. Regardless Liverpool had 67% while Ajax had 58%, Liverpool also had 17 attempts compared to Ajax with 11(with benefica having more with 16 against them), liverpool also had nearly double the amount of passes compared to Ajax who is suppose to have an attractive type of football. I know some fans wants to hype ETH as much as they can, but they really need to stop gaslighting other posters on here. I agree we can't compare liverpool to Ajax squad, but Ajax is a better team than benefica and they should have imposed themselves more if ETH philosophy is what fans on can't seem to get enough of.

Come on man, you can't possibly believe Benfica deserved to get away with anything from that match against Ajax. They were absolutely dominated. But the CL is CL, not every day the better team wins. We got kicked out of there a number of times under SAF despite more often than not being the better team on that day.

Your love of Poch is getting ridiculous.

 

[bond19821982]

Well, it's not like there is a Pep or Klopp available but we are going for ETH. There isn't anyone available and we are going for the best one who may do wonders with some budget.

We know what to expect from Poch and I'm not really in favor of his style. ETH would be a disaster but we will go again.

 

[Amadaeus]

Come on man, you can't possibly believe Benfica deserved to get away with anything from that match against Ajax. They were absolutely dominated. But the CL is CL, not every day the better team wins. We got kicked out of there a number of times under SAF despite more often than not being the better team on that day.

Your love of Poch is getting ridiculous.

I am only showing what stats showed me. I m quite sure that Ajax played better overall, but I didn't watch both league to look beyond the stats. If benefica did had more attempts than Ajax in the first leg, you can't say that they didn't deserve to get away with something. When you compared psg against real Madrid in the first league, psg made real Madrid look like a pub team. That is what I expect from Ajax with benefica.

 

[Sarni]

I wouldn’t really hold Ajax losing to Benfica against him all that much. Given how both those games went, 9 times out of 10 Ajax qualify with those performances. The fact that they were such heavy favorites against a team that knocked out Barcelona is also a testament to the job Ten Hag has done there.

 

[Sarni]

I am only showing what stats showed me. I m quite sure that Ajax played better overall, but I didn't watch both league to look beyond the stats. If benefica did had more attempts than Ajax in the first leg, you can't say that they didn't deserve to get away with something. When you compared psg against real Madrid in the first league, psg made real Madrid look like a pub team. That is what I expect from Ajax with benefica.

But why? They are comparable clubs with comparable budgets, you are acting like Benfica are a second tier team while Ajax is a powerhouse. They should be at a similar level.

There is probably a more significant gap in resources between PSG and Madrid currently than there is between Ajax and Benfica and by any means the manner in which PSG got knocked out, conceding 3 goals in short space of time and falling apart completely, was more embarrassing so not quite sure why you’d use PSG as an example on how a team should perform against another team.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Equally if not more important to know from the start. We have some fundamental issues with the current squad and it needs dealt with swiftly.
It should be the Erik ten Hag way, or the highway.

I am worried about the McClaren rumors though. If he's being brought in as an ex Man Utd figure that "knows" the club it's incredibly stupid. That was over 20 years ago and the club is a hell of a lot different now than it was then.
I'd rather he brought Carrick back, or at least a more recent player or coach. I still think Rooney would be a good shout. He'd definitely command respect from the players.

The press will link every single person as his assistant. Personally i prefer he bringing his own man but apparently thats not his style it seems.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

There isn’t much to speculate over, several of them have expiring contracts so the list is largely obvious. As for the rest, it will likely be the same as previous windows. A number of players would be available but whether they attract any sensible offers or agree to move themselves, they won’t be going anywhere - regardless of Ten Hag or whoever’s views.

Dude way to rain on the parade.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

The sales and purchases should really be directed by Murtough and the football departments. Obviously, the new manager will have an input in to that process, but the club should already have a very clear idea of who is and is not good enough to play for us, and be making moves to find buyers for the deadwood or secure transfers for the types of players we need. If you haven't started making those moves by the beginning of April, you are guaranteed a summer of disorganised chaos in the market.

I hope we are talking about the same club. Jokes aside, actually nothing changed much except ralf moving upwards. So he can advice them better. We need a major clear out and get people who are on same page to pull the cart on same direction. I hope ETH comes in and distance the club from CO92 additionally and call their hypocrisy as it is. You can't reset anything without a clean break to start over. Thats why im more excited to see who we cut ties with rather than who we going to bring in.

 

[romufc]

Of course they did. It's just that Ajax, contrary to what you seem to believe, is a pretty great club already, and not a bad job to have in itself, especially for a Dutchman. It's one of the great historic clubs. He's not going to be keen to take over Spurs or Leipzig, maybe not even Dortmund, when he's already at Ajax. Which is why he didn't, despite those clubs wanting him.
And I'm pretty sure if Flick hadn't worked out so well, Ten Hag would have been no.1 candidate for Bayern in 2020.

I think you are slightly misunderstanding me. I am not saying Ten Hag isn't good enough, I want Ten Hag at United too. However; I dont see why we need to put a downer on Poch but when asked the same question about Ten Hag, the poster goes quiet.

Ten Hag would have been No.1 candidate but wasn't, even when Flick left, Nagglesman got the job, without Ten Hag getting an interview.

 

[Adam-Utd]

yeah that’s what I meant by “it’s not that simple”.. I’m not saying we shouldn’t go for him or anything like that, just that it’s a bit depressing when you add it to the long list of shitness that currently exists supporting United.

you expect ETH to win every single game with Ajax? Benfica are hardly an amateur side either. You need to learn to look past singular results and look at the body of his work.

Would you have said the same about Pochettino at Southampton or Espanyol?

 

[JPRouve]

Well, that is why they say that, they saying they prefer him because they seen him in the flesh, its like when you recommend something to someone, you do it because you have used it.

Ten Hag is a Pep discipline and is at Ajax, and older than Poch. So why didn't teams come get him before? You say Dortmund and other well run clubs look at him, did they? They got a new manager this season, I did not see Ten Hag being mentioned.

As a matter of fact, what club is going for Ten Hag this summer?

I am not against Ten Hag, I just find it weird how people think Poch is a non runner.

The short answer is that he has been linked to many clubs including Dortmund and according to reports he is the one that wasn't particularly interested in those clubs.

 

[Mwooyo]

They also conceded 2 goals there. Also, there was an error in my post as Ajax couldn't score at their own home instead. Which is even worse. Regardless Liverpool had 67% while Ajax had 58%, Liverpool also had 17 attempts compared to Ajax with 11(with benefica having more with 16 against them), liverpool also had nearly double the amount of passes compared to Ajax who is suppose to have an attractive type of football. I know some fans wants to hype ETH as much as they can, but they really need to stop gaslighting other posters on here. I agree we can't compare liverpool to Ajax squad, but Ajax is a better team than benefica and they should have imposed themselves more if ETH philosophy is what fans on can't seem to get enough of.

I mean the stats you shared literally show that Ajax literally imposed themselves. Besides the stats, you ought to watch the actual game. Ajax absolutely dominated and outplayed Benefica in both games. Ajax simply missed so many chances, it's crazy to believe. Anyone who saw Benefica knew that they would be hammered by a good team. Liverpool beating Benefica is no surprise really. It's okay to doubt ETH, but to say he didn't do his job is an insult. Ajax killed that Benefica team and they were lucky to score the wining goal

 

[Ludens the Red]

you expect ETH to win every single game with Ajax? Benfica are hardly an amateur side either. You need to learn to look past singular results and look at the body of his work.

Would you have said the same about Pochettino at Southampton or Espanyol?

Christ Making it Poch vs Ten Haag…
It really isn’t that deep, calm down you flapper.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Christ Making it Poch vs Ten Haag…
It really isn’t that deep, calm down you flapper.

You call me a flapper yet you say " it’s a bit depressing when you add it to the long list of shitness that currently exists supporting United. "

I think you're the one flapping. Sounds pretty deep to me, maybe you need to take a step away if United are making you depressed.

 

[Ludens the Red]

You call me a flapper yet you say " it’s a bit depressing when you add it to the long list of shitness that currently exists supporting United. "

I think you're the one flapping. Sounds pretty deep to me, maybe you need to take a step away if United are making you depressed.

Hyperbole Definition

‘There is exaggeration, and then there is exaggeration. That extreme kind of exaggeration in speech is the literary device known as hyperbole. Take this statement for example: I'm so hungry, I could eat a horse. In truth, you wouldn't be able to eat a whole horse.’

 

[Grande]

There'sa big difference between saying Neville overreached in the Valencia job and then saying he hasn't followed football development for the last 20 years.

The latter is clearly not true. It's not true of Scholes or Ferdinand either.

They just view football differently to online fans. They believe the core principles are key to winning teams. The same principles that have been around forever. Effort, teamwork, attitude and talent.

Online fans seem to genuinely believe they're in the know purely because of the words "high press." This is their subject. The one they can talk about over and over. It's become the beginning and end for the online professors of football.

You seem to assume you know a whole lot about me based on reading a post and a lot of generalisations about Online Fans. I think probably I have a clearer picture of Gary Neville’s way of thinking than you have about mine, and that’s not because he is above 40, but because I’ve heard him speak his mind quite a lot.

You overlooked two words when you quoted me: ‘in detail’. Crucial to the meaning. Assuming Neville hasn’t followed the development of coaching football tactics, would be assuming he is deaf and blind. Assuming he hasn’t done so ‘in detail’, is just assuming he can do his tasks with a broad overview, and that he has his focus elsewhere than spending a lot of time going into details of the effects of different ways of applying different tactics.

That really just means that even as I concede he knows a hundred times more about football tactics than me, he does have holes in his knowledge, and sometimes even holes that someone like me, with a C level training certificate and an unhealthy interest in following certain football teams can spot.

Now, a lot of people dismissed Solskjær as a tactical simpleton, and I wouldn’t do that. Because he has been working for fifteen years coaching tactics while intensely studying people in the forefront of tactical development, to add to his experiences as a player - and it’s possible to hear that when he speaks. When Gary Neville speaks about the implementation of Rangnik’s tactics, it’s possible to hear that he at times blatantly misunderstands what they are, yet he still talks as if he knows for certain. He, and many of the other pundits, sometimes have too little respect for what they don’t know. It’s understandable, because they are probably told to, to increase entertainment value. In addition, when they are fans of a club (or haters), it may make them even more adamant on things they don’t really know the details of, and can be at times spectacularily wrong.

Now, you wrote as if I thought I’m better positioned or as if I’ve somehow claimed I know Eric Ten Hag is great choice because I know all about ‘high press’, but I’ve never claimed that. It’s all your conjecture. I don’t know.

I’ve just heard enough from Neville, Scholes, Ferdinand and Keane (and Carragher, Souness, Wright-Philips and Merson) to think that their opinions about how coaches like Ten Hag and Pochettino would work at United today aren’t really interesting to me. They have to many holes in their knowledge about that and too little self awareness for that.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

 

[dubplate warrior]

There'sa big difference between saying Neville overreached in the Valencia job and then saying he hasn't followed football development for the last 20 years.

The latter is clearly not true. It's not true of Scholes or Ferdinand either.

They just view football differently to online fans. They believe the core principles are key to winning teams. The same principles that have been around forever. Effort, teamwork, attitude and talent.

Online fans seem to genuinely believe they're in the know purely because of the words "high press." This is their subject. The one they can talk about over and over. It's become the beginning and end for the online professors of football.



But it's not your day either is it?

A rubbish thing to happen to football in the last 20 years is the pseudo intellectualism of the online fan base.

Terms such as high press are bandied around, fans convince themselves its a different game now and therefore any pundit over 40 can't possibly understand football tactics like they do.

Which brings us to ten Hag. I know nothing about him, haven't watched Ajax much. If he is appointed I hope he's a huge success.

But for the online fan base I've described above he's through no fault of his own, the culmination of all the pseudo intellectual waffle that's been developed over the last 10 years. Wanting ten Hag is about wanting to see their own highly theoretical football "philosophy" play out.

The old guard at United have got it wrong about United consistently, and when people are sceptical we're accused of pseudo intellectualism by Marwood. I think a public forum full of opinions is the wrong place for you. Maybe a beach with sand to bury your head in would be better.

Furthermore, who mentioned it being anything to do with them being over 40!? You're waffling. The game changes and evolves with time, and you may make massive generalisations over people you don't know over the Internet but believe it or not the game is not the same as it was 10 years ago and won't be the same now in another 10 years.

 

[L1nk]

 

[sewey89]

Is this a roundabout way of him confirming that Ten Hag has asked for McClaren?

 

[yamo123x]

Still think the club will go for Poch sadly...

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Is this a roundabout way of him confirming that Ten Hag has asked for McClaren?

His name must have came up in the interview process. Whether United brought him up or ten Hag suggested him I'm not sure but what Jackson is saying basically is McClaren wouldn't be under consideration if ten Hag wasn't on board. There were people trying to say that United were forcing him on ten Hag.

 

[pascell]

Ruud has just accepted the role as PSV head coach for next season, why's his name being mentioned?!

 

[bosnian_red]

Not the same level of thrashing that city gave Lisbon(even though it should have been), but Liverpool beating benefica 3 -1 at their home is quite impressive considering Ajax couldn't score their. Anyway, we will have to see how ETH does. He hasn't shown the same level of klopp, pep, poch, tuchel or Conte at their highest level yet. Perhaps at United ETH will show that he can reach that level. No one can predict the future. But at least, he has an attractive philosophy.

Klopp, Pep, Tuchel, obviously no. Conte has in terms of European football always failed really quickly and has never gotten far in the CL. Poch is also a bit infamous with his failures by now, arguably his biggest issue is that the ceiling/highest level has never actually been that high, and that it was a short period 3-5 years ago anyway.

Its the CL though. Shit happens. Ajax didn't play at their best but also were unlucky (drew away after having 60% possession, 2.4 xG and mostly dominated the first half, but Benfica had a strong 2nd half at home. Then in the home leg, Ajax had 69% possession, 1.29 xG compared to 0.4 xG for Benfica from 4 shots all game. It was a smash and grab. Its like claiming Ole beating PSG with that late penalty is a black spot against Tuchel. It was a lucky win, but that's football. You need a lot of luck. In the group stages, Ajax absolutely hammered Sporting twice in the group stage, who are ahead of Benfica in the league for example.

Anyway. Hopefully we get Ten Hag. He's not perfect, nobody should expect or claim that, but he's 100% the best candidate. It'll take time, it took Klopp time at Liverpool, it took Pep time at City as well (finished 3rd in their first season, and we're in a top 4 fight with Klopp at Liverpool and Arsenal). The important thing is to see progress however, and an understanding of how to address issues to improve. Its important to see a manager being adaptable to weaknesses in their process and having an idea of how to improve them. Pochettino may have been very impressive 5 years ago, but he stalled hard. He did not show any adaptability, he did not show any ability to implement changes to improve, and it's pretty much stalled like that for the past 3-4 years.

 

[Kaos]

Ruud has just accepted the role as PSV head coach for next season, why's his name being mentioned?!

Lazy journalism as per usual. They've just listed every Dutch coach who has United connections. The Dutch journo even pointed out that Ruud was to be the new PSV manager.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Ruud has just accepted the role as PSV head coach for next season, why's his name being mentioned?!

Because Sky are idiots. The journalist says in the interview that Ruud has accepted the PSV job.

Still think it will be van Persie joining if ten Hag comes.

 

[Marwood]

The old guard at United have got it wrong about United consistently, and when people are sceptical we're accused of pseudo intellectualism by Marwood. I think a public forum full of opinions is the wrong place for you. Maybe a beach with sand to bury your head in would be better.

Furthermore, who mentioned it being anything to do with them being over 40!? You're waffling. The game changes and evolves with time, and you may make massive generalisations over people you don't know over the Internet but believe it or not the game is not the same as it was 10 years ago and won't be the same now in another 10 years.

It's more than that.

It's online fans deciding ex pros don't understand football today where as they do. Despite having zero experience in playing or running a football club. @Grande says he/she knows more detail about today's tactics because they've read lots of interviews. Can you see how shortsighted that is?

That's not to say you always have to agree with an ex pro but maybe understand your own limitations?

How much for instance do you really know about ten Hag? How do you know for sure he'll be better than Poch?

 

[Grande]

It's more than that.

It's online fans deciding ex pros don't understand football today where as they do. Despite having zero experience in playing or running a football club. @Grande says he/she knows more detail about today's tactics because they've read lots of interviews. Can you see how shortsighted that is?

That's not to say you always have to agree with an ex pro but maybe understand your own limitations?

How much for instance do you really know about ten Hag? How do you know for sure he'll be better than Poch?

Did you understand anything at all of that I wrote? Nothing? And still you want to proclaim to others with the greatest certainty what I’m thinking? And you talk about knowing your limitations?

I think you don’t show the respect you expect others to display.

 

[Jackal981]

Worst post I have ever ever read.

Shhh. Please dont tell him his dear Poch megateam had been knocked out by Madrid too.

 

[Jackal981]

But why? They are comparable clubs with comparable budgets, you are acting like Benfica are a second tier team while Ajax is a powerhouse. They should be at a similar level.

There is probably a more significant gap in resources between PSG and Madrid currently than there is between Ajax and Benfica and by any means the manner in which PSG got knocked out, conceding 3 goals in short space of time and falling apart completely, was more embarrassing so not quite sure why you’d use PSG as an example on how a team should perform against another team.

Made Madrid look like a pub team (???) while being knocked out in the process. This guy and his Poch obsession my lord.

 

[Marwood]

Did you understand anything at all of that I wrote? Nothing? And still you want to proclaim to others with the greatest certainty what I’m thinking? And you talk about knowing your limitations?

I think you don’t show the respect you expect others to display.

I'm not really talking about what you're thinking. If it's come across that way I apologise.

You just believe you know more detail about tactics than Neville because you've read lots of interviews. Whilst simultaneously saying Neville and others should know their limitations.

You see a certain hypocrisy there yes?

These guys have a limited amount of time to say what they can on television. Who wants to hear granular detail about high press/low block for 30 mins?

The majority don't. A certain section of online football fans do because they're convinced football is chess on grass. With ten Hag being the chess master we need.