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I don't see why McLaren wouldn't jump at the chance to be part of the coaching staff that potentially resurrects the club.
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I don't see why McLaren wouldn't jump at the chance to be part of the coaching staff that potentially resurrects the club.
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No such thing as faulty paranoia when our players can't execute simple intructions on the pitch.
Translating his take on football to current United team will be his biggest challenge probably he'll encounter in his entire career.
Well, that is why they say that, they saying they prefer him because they seen him in the flesh, its like when you recommend something to someone, you do it because you have used it.
Ten Hag is a Pep discipline and is at Ajax, and older than Poch. So why didn't teams come get him before? You say Dortmund and other well run clubs look at him, did they? They got a new manager this season, I did not see Ten Hag being mentioned.
As a matter of fact, what club is going for Ten Hag this summer?
I am not against Ten Hag, I just find it weird how people think Poch is a non runner.
It was you who initially made a distinction between romanticism and wishful thinking, presumably because one sounds far more flattering than the other. I simply inverted the descriptions to highlight that the same words could be used for either candidate.
PSG can be content with what whatever they like. They aren’t the only club in Europe that spends money, and they cannot get a manager on the planet who can guarantee them a CL trophy. A title-winning manager is still a title-winning manager.
And of course the latter two points are speculative. You have no idea whether Pochettino sees Manchester United as a downgrade from PSG, and you also have no idea what he can achieve at United.
Ah so that's how it works.
you look at the type of players who are becoming more consistently linked with United....it's players who fit the profile and style of play that suit Ten Hag
your reply is illogically, if not a backtrack.
It was you who defined ETH as romantic, a notion which you chose. Unless you’re suggesting your statement was ill defined, doesn’t understand there may be a difference.
you seem to be broadening the scope of money to illustrate something relative to failure at spurs and psg is the same as ajax winning the league.Bazaar.
the latter two points are beyond your: 1) read about the Peter principle. It’s applicable to spurs and psg for poch. 2) who mentioned what poch thinks? Current performance, squad and ££ you’re on your own on that one
I initially used the word romantic, my point was that wishful thinking, while being the same thing, is a deliberately more negative interpretation of the same thing.
As for your next paragraph, I don’t understand you at all. Simply put, winning the league is not a failing to me. PSG can decide that it isn’t good enough for them, but that doesn’t mean another prospective employer should view it as a failure. Obviously, the unspoken here is the Champions League. Teams have been trying to buy it for a while, and have all failed. Managers heralded as the world’s best have failed to win it. If they can all be classified as failures, then PSG will run out of options.
As for the latter two points, only one is ‘beyond me’. I’m unfamiliar with Peter principle, but I do know enough to conclude that a move from PSG to United being a ‘downgrade’ is a matter of opinion, and in a discussion of opinion, what Poch thinks is relevant to me. I’m also confident he would not be alone if he were to not see PSG to United as a downgrade.
Is it just me or anybody else is more keen to see how many current players he kick out rather than being keen to see who he gonna bring in? 
Yes basically the custodian of the club footballing culture, just that at the moment united need to remodel that culture. This is why we need a manager with a strong playing principle, you could hire Pochettino if this was already established throughout the club, like we see barca doing hiring managers from else where, but since we are just beginning we need a manager who can champion the course and that's why my preference is Ten Hag.
Equally if not more important to know from the start. We have some fundamental issues with the current squad and it needs dealt with swiftly.Is it just me or anybody else is more keen to see how many current players he kick out rather than being keen to see who he gonna bring in?
It should be the Erik ten Hag way, or the highway.
I am worried about the McClaren rumors though. If he's being brought in as an ex Man Utd figure that "knows" the club it's incredibly stupid. That was over 20 years ago and the club is a hell of a lot different now than it was then.
I'd rather he brought Carrick back, or at least a more recent player or coach. I still think Rooney would be a good shout. He'd definitely command respect from the players.
Is it just me or anybody else is more keen to see how many current players he kick out rather than being keen to see who he gonna bring in?
There isn’t much to speculate over, several of them have expiring contracts so the list is largely obvious. As for the rest, it will likely be the same as previous windows. A number of players would be available but whether they attract any sensible offers or agree to move themselves, they won’t be going anywhere - regardless of Ten Hag or whoever’s views.
McClaren wouldn’t only be brought in because he knows the club, he’d be brought in because he knows Ten Hag. We’re talking about two coaches who have literally worked together before as one and two - there is nothing at all to see here.
Is it just me or anybody else is more keen to see how many current players he kick out rather than being keen to see who he gonna bring in?
The sales and purchases should really be directed by Murtough and the football departments. Obviously, the new manager will have an input in to that process, but the club should already have a very clear idea of who is and is not good enough to play for us, and be making moves to find buyers for the deadwood or secure transfers for the types of players we need. If you haven't started making those moves by the beginning of April, you are guaranteed a summer of disorganised chaos in the market.
He is a good manager and a good option if we're looking to steady the ship and secure top 4, but we've seen his limitations against top rivals in the premier league and champions league. ETH is no guaranteed success by any means, but we won't know if he's going to be great if we don't take the risk. Pochettino is the safest option but we know from his past jobs how far he can take us.
His job at PSG was to be better than Tuchel and he's not even close to what Tuchel did in PSG.
We don’t know how far he can take us at all. This is something that is being repeated over and over to make it sound true. We did not know how far he could take us when there was a clamour to appoint him after Jose, despite him not having won the league at that point either. I think now we want Ten Hag, we need to validate it.
Just because a manager could not win the league with Spurs, doesn’t mean he can’t win it at United. The fact that he didn’t take Southampton to the top 4 didn’t mean that he could not take Spurs there (which of course, he did).
His job at PSG was to win the CL. Which is a ridiculous mandate for any manager at any club, as the very best to ever manage regularly fail to win it. Domestically, he’s walked the league.
Again, I say this as a man who would want Ten Hag. But there is no evidence to try and suggest that he is objectively a better choice than Pochettino. And there’s no evidence to suggest that we are condemned to averageness if Poch joins us.
Ten Hag is on the up, Pochettino is not. Winning the league in France with PSG is not even worth acknowledging, and he has already flopped miserably at Spurs after reaching his peak. Ten Hag might not work out, but at least we are going for someone whose career trajectory is in the ascendency, Pochettino's simply isn't. If Pochettino goes somewhere else and looks amazing again, that's fine, but he does not currently look like the manager we need to get back to the top of the league.
Also, given the angle (help with the EPL experience), McLaren probably would be hired as a kind of counsellor to Ten Hag, not the guy who puts out the cones on the pitch or runs the team through basic drills.
Also some good posts by @Hansi Fick btw!
Hey look, it's that poster that was complaining about people bringing up politics in a thread on racism in football!
Would have been great to see Ten Hag at PSG. Basically, a finished if he didn’t win the CL, which he probably wouldn’t have.
It’s all just hope and not much else. Winning the league in Holland with Ajax is similarly not worth acknowledging, but I assume we’re all going to acknowledge it today!
That's not it though, PSG simply haven't looked as good as they should have if Pochettino was the Messiah, and they are on the financial roids. Ajax are simply a market leader, there really isn't a comparison there to PSG, they weren't walking the league every year before Ten Hag arrived. It's a case of someone not putting a foot wrong yet vs. someone that has already had major issues in his last stint in the PL, and is currently at a job where it is quite hard to objectively judge him in normal terms due to the circumstances. We are also pretty similar to PSG in terms of having a load of players on mega money who don't seem 100% arsed about being elite, and he doesn't seem to be handling that too well at PSG at the moment.
Yes some players absolutely don't. Just because they played years ago does not mean they can analyse the game from a tactical viewpoint and make forward thinking decisions relevant to the modern game. They may know the workings of a dressing room and what it was like as a player in their day, but guess what, its not their day anymore.
It sure as heck is!
And now reports that there is a Possibility Mclaren could be his assistant....
And yet you brought politics which wasn't even being discussed into a football related conversation, you seeing any irony?
so awkward.Of course they did. It's just that Ajax, contrary to what you seem to believe, is a pretty great club already, and not a bad job to have in itself, especially for a Dutchman. It's one of the great historic clubs. He's not going to be keen to take over Spurs or Leipzig, maybe not even Dortmund, when he's already at Ajax. Which is why he didn't, despite those clubs wanting him.
And I'm pretty sure if Flick hadn't worked out so well, Ten Hag would have been no.1 candidate for Bayern in 2020.
Very nice comment this.
Well, in fairness, where do you go after taking Spurs (yes Spurs!!!) to a champions league final, successive top 4 finishes, on a very meager budget, and you're up against clubs that are way more powerful than yours? He can only hit a wall after that. I've seen the same thing happen with Leicester and Everton after periods of moderate success (and you'll see the same with West Ham soon too) that there's nowhere to go but down.
His time at PSG has looked very bad in some ways but I don't know, I feel people are being very harsh on Poch. I prefer ten Hag but Poch would have my full support.
When is this going to stop being repeated? People have posted the budgets here and it quite clearly shows that Spurs had the 5th largest budget in the league for Poch's duration there. Okay, he definitely improved them, but he wasn't working miracles like some here are trying to paint it as.
Also 2019 difference between ETH or Poch in that final from their vs semifinal was away goal rule in 90+6 at 3-3 aggregate. Not trying to belittle Spurs that year but they advanced on penalties and twice on away goals rule and very to them well known opposition in the knockouts. Ajax and ETH had the more impressive run for me that year.
Happy to be corrected but this table shows him as having had a net spend of just 50 million in that period. United and City's is absolutely obscene in comparison. The table does seem a but weird though.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...auricio-pochettino-overachieving-at-tottenham
And the context of that next spend is that they sold poor and unwanted players for larger sum that you would expect. The only starter that they lost was Walker and he was already replaced by a cheap, yet very good Trippier.
It's simple for me - Poch is a decent manager, but nothing more than the just the safest and most uninspiring choice we could make of those mentioned. I have previously stated that I will lose all faith in this club if Poch is hired - obviously an exaggeration, but I genuinely believe that Poch's highest ceiling is solidifying us as a top 4 club. Whilst at the same time serving a type of football probably best described as 3,6 roentgen. This Poch love-in from media and ex-players is annoying, mostly because it feels like they know feck all about the others and that the arguments feels like it's just based on that Poch got history with the PL - which empirical evidence proves that is not a favourable attribute to have if you want to win the title.
ETH might be a riskier appointment (I disagree on that) but atleast he gives us the vibe that he is the Klopp of this manager "generation". We desperately need to inject some positivity in this club, which I believe hiring ETH will sort out. Hiring Poch will most likely be the opposite.
ETH might be a riskier appointment (I disagree on that) but atleast he gives us the vibe that he is the Klopp of this manager "generation". We desperately need to inject some positivity in this club, which I believe hiring ETH will sort out. Hiring Poch will most likely be the opposite.
Well yes. The left don’t like racism so by your logic “it’s probably a good thing”
Spurs couldn't sustain anything under Poch. Whether it be from a lack of larger funds due to the construction of the new stadium or his inability to get a tune out of the squad he was with, which was assembled very well under Levy immediately before and during Poch's time. And other teams were struggling while Spurs bubbled upwards.
Every year Spurs finished fourth after their highest point tally, they had fewer points than the previous season. Their budget was small, but they made very good transfers like Lloris, Alderwerld, Vertongen, Eriksen, Dele, Son, and the emergence of Kane and Walker. All that success isn't just tied down to Pochettino and it gets overlooked.
Pochettino would be a good choice as manager, but there are a couple of other options that have a larger intrigue such as EtH or Luis Enrique. Any manager will have their question marks coming to United, but the biggest issue will always be the football structure around the manager and how they operate across all levels and verticals of the club, having a clear vision with everyone pulling the same direction.
I couldn’t agree more with everything you said. Prefer ETH, but Poch is by no means a bad manager. He would be our best appointment post-SAF by a country mile.
We aren't in a position to be giving someone a second chance at something, far better off giving someone a first try who has proven they deserve it.