crossy1686
career ending
Madness isn't it? Must be sunk cost fallacy at this point.After 3 seasons we need patience?
Reading this thread is what it must feel like to talk to Trump supporters
Madness isn't it? Must be sunk cost fallacy at this point.After 3 seasons we need patience?
Reading this thread is what it must feel like to talk to Trump supporters
It's funny because the trump-esque crowd is actually on the other side. It's just a clear mob mentality and ignorance of any sign of progress in performances.After 3 seasons we need patience?
Reading this thread is what it must feel like to talk to Trump supporters
I do think its a bit rich to talk about fallacy when you claimed easy chances werent created, then you claimed we weren't set up correctly, and then backtracked on a different point again just yesterday.Madness isn't it? Must be sunk cost fallacy at this point.
The first season was good, not great. We were average at best for the majority of the second half of the season.People say this like it has been nightmarish throughout. In reality he had a great first season, we finished in a respectable position with a trophy. In the second season we got hit by unprecedented injuries, it was not good enough admittedly but you can't tell me other managers would not have struggled.
The reality is this season he has everything available to him and we are seeing that we are playing good football. We are controlling games. We are making big chances. These usually lead to points on the board.
I don’t think it matters. As long as we are top half and pick up good results here and there, as we have been since the start of season, he has nothing to worry about. We have clearly improved this year and will probably be closer to 4th than we will be to 8th.Where do we think he needs to be in the table come the end of November for Ten Hag to not be in danger of getting the sack?
It's hard though when Fulham and Brighton are also backing their managers by spending a billion quid on players they want. How are we supposed to compete?
I think we have pretty much accepted that already. We prioritize manager over results, and would rather sacrifice a few points or finish slightly lower but ensure we are not perceived as a sacking club, and add to the reputation of a club that ‘stands by its manager’.When the club is doing nothing and the fans aren’t mounting any pressure to change things that’s the same as being happy with our position.
The club and the fans seem close to reaching a point where they accept they are the Brightons or Fulhams instead of trying to change things and at least try to have a go at reclaiming top spots.
mate the performances has been shite what are you on aboutPool, I don’t think people can honestly complain about too much which is a welcome change from last season
If you can’t separate performances from results, don’t bother responding. If you can feel free to ask if you don’t understand something.mate the performances has been shite what are you on about
If a 0-0 against Crystal Palace is good performance and nothing to complain about, you’re the kind of fans I’m talking about who’ve accepted mediocrity.
0-0 against Palace, nothing to complain about. 5 goals in 5 games sitting 11th are good performances apparently.
If you can’t separate performances from results, don’t bother responding. If you can feel free to ask if you don’t understand something.
I have been a vocal EtH-outer since we lost to Palace last season at home, so I went quite early.It's funny because the trump-esque crowd is actually on the other side. It's just a clear mob mentality and ignorance of any sign of progress in performances.
I think we have pretty much accepted that already. We prioritize manager over results, and would rather sacrifice a few points or finish slightly lower but ensure we are not perceived as a sacking club, and add to the reputation of a club that ‘stands by its manager’.
Next 5 games:
Spurs (H) - D
Villa (A) - L
Brentford (H) - D
West Ham (A) - L
Chelsea (A) - L
If we can see that from our TV screens or phones, why is it hard for ETH ? Rashford as a 9 ? Really ?I have been a vocal EtH-outer since we lost to Palace last season at home, so I went quite early.
However, what I will say is that I wouldn't have a single complaint this season if that was our "par" performance away from home. I have consistently said that I don't care about the results right now but that I haven't seen enough progress / evolution in our football under ten Hag.
Yesterday was one of the rare occasions when there were signs that he does have a viable vision for this team. Have to caveat that of course by saying its one game, we didn't win and we relied on a world-class save from Onana and a bad miss by Eze to cling on...but the first half especially was very encouraging.
His in-game management was still very questionable. Taking off Zirkzee for Rashford was exactly what we didn't need. We had control and Zirkzee was playing well, holding the ball and bringing others into play. Rashford is a wildcard and often struggles to get into the game in the #9 position.
I can understand bringing him on, given his recent goals, but it had to be for Amad or Garnacho. EtH ended up taking off one of our best players on the day and then moving Rashford out wide 10-15 minutes later anyway.
Reliance on XG alone when evaluating performance is such a bollocks way to go about criticising a team. It's so obvious that yesterday's performance was very encouraging and we were good value for a lead if we just had our shooting boots on.An XG of 1.01 to 1.70
They had 4 shots on target we had 6
They had 3 big chances we had 5
Yes we performed slightly better, thats about it really.
But your standards are so damn low that for you that’s enough.
If that isn’t accepting mediocrity I don’t know what is.
I don’t think it matters. As long as we are top half and pick up good results here and there, as we have been since the start of season, he has nothing to worry about. We have clearly improved this year and will probably be closer to 4th than we will be to 8th.
Xg is what the modern fan uses to justify their shitty arguments. It’s like, using your own eyes to judge a performance is a crime and should be outlawed.Reliance on XG alone when evaluating performance is such a bollocks way to go about criticising a team. It's so obvious that yesterday's performance was very encouraging and we were good value for a lead if we just had our shooting boots on.
We actually had a good XG vs Liverpool but we're completely outclassed on the eye test. Going by only XG just to make a point is soft.
Where do we think he needs to be in the table come the end of November for Ten Hag to not be in danger of getting the sack?
An XG of 1.01 to 1.70
They had 4 shots on target we had 6
They had 3 big chances we had 5
Yes we performed slightly better, thats about it really.
But your standards are so damn low that for you that’s enough.
If that isn’t accepting mediocrity I don’t know what is.
The first half was certainly the best we’ve played all season (versus PL standard opoosition at least). But we didn’t put the ball in the back of the net, which again, is a recurring and frustrating theme. So overall, no, I wouldn’t say it was excellent. Finishing some of the chances we created and taking the lead would have been excellent. I guess we just have different standards.
Woah that took a turnSo if I swing both ways I basically like crack? Ok.
Honestly, I think I still want him sacked but we absolutely should've won yesterday. The problem he has now is that he can't win with a lot of our fans. We've improved massively from the shitshow that was last season and you could easily say we've been unlucky to not have scored more. Garnacho vs Fulham and Brighton, Zirkzee missed two sitters against Liverpool and again, yesterday, Bruno, De Ligt, Zirkzee and Nacho missed some piss easy chances.
I've no idea why people think we're going to dominate for 90 mins. Even at our best under Fergie, we didn't do that. Football ebbs and flows, and Palace were obviously going to create some chances and it was written in the stars that we would fall off at some point. That said, thats 4 out of 5 games this season where we've actually been significantly better than our opposition. 17 big chances missed tell us that we're actually good at creating chances, we look solid defensively... theres a lot to build on and I'm quietly confident we can walk over Spurs next week.
If he gets sacked tomorrow, I wouldn't shed a tear. I've seen enough from this team this season to know that we're more than capable. This place just feeds off the doom and gloom, where actually theres a lot to be excited about - the young core, the solid defence, Onana look confident and definitely the most fluid we've looked in a long, long time.
The most likely outcome of this season is that he will be sacked once our season is ruinedlots of posters keep saying fans are happy at 8th etc but I haven’t seen a single person say that’s acceptable.
I saw positive signs yesterday and thankfully the club aren’t acting on emotion and making rash decisions by sacking EtH.
Disappointing not to get 3 points yesterday but still positives and felt like a move in the right direction.
Next 5-6 games are crucial, pointless discussing whether he should be sacked now, he’s going no where until at least those games have been played.
Reliance on XG alone when evaluating performance is such a bollocks way to go about criticising a team. It's so obvious that yesterday's performance was very encouraging and we were good value for a lead if we just had our shooting boots on.
We actually had a good XG vs Liverpool but we're completely outclassed on the eye test. Going by only XG just to make a point is soft.
You’d have to be a complete and utter moron to not see that for the majority of the game we absolutely dominated. Who cares what the stats say?I didn’t rely on XG alone did I?
There wasn’t a huge gulf in number of shots were there?
Yes we could have scored 2, but so could have they. Yes we performed better but people saying “fans cant have much to complain about the performances have been that good” is straight bollocks and the mother of hyperbole.
No, it is only used when it fits the agenda of said poster. Same for the possession % or number of shots.Xg is what the modern fan uses to justify their shitty arguments. It’s like, using your own eyes to judge a performance is a crime and should be outlawed.
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You’d have to be a complete and utter moron to not see that for the majority of the game we absolutely dominated. Who cares what the stats say?
You also do not get to use the word hyperbole when your prior post fecking stinks of it.
There he goes with his hyperbole again. Sit down, babe.My bad for posting in this childish thread where you’ll be called a moron for saying what everyone in the world thinks.
I’ll refrain from posting on this thread from now on..
The state of this website these days
I didn’t rely on XG alone did I?
There wasn’t a huge gulf in number of shots were there?
Yes we could have scored 2, but so could have they. Yes we performed better but people saying “fans cant have much to complain about the performances have been that good” is straight bollocks and the mother of hyperbole.
More like refuse to engage with edgy kids on the internet.There he goes with his hyperbole again. Sit down, babe.
No it’s not. I know you’re being sarcastic but still.You’re expecting far too much.
Palace away is about as hard as it gets.
7 points from 15 & 11th in table is a solid start to the season.
Fingers crossed we can finish top 4 in the xG league.
Or ‘well and truly fecked’. Toss a coin.Showing progress as a team im happy and I think by Christmas we will be fairly well drilled.
Which year?Showing progress as a team im happy and I think by Christmas we will be fairly well drilled.
Spot on.
Its dogma at this point
People need to critically think why traditions came about in the first place. It was a different time, a time where these “traditions” helped us succeed.
Anything to bash Ten Hag, eh?
Might as well look up our record against Blackburn during the 2004-2007 season for comparison. Beat us twice home and away in 2004/2005.
Or Boro around the same time frame. Drew us at OT and hammered us 4-1 at Riverside.
Or Aston Villa under O'Neil where they would beat us home and away and make extremely hard to beat.
We can also go to Athletic Madrid who used to lose to Real and almost always Barca.
I can go on and on, however the notion of bogey team being a myth is just laughable.