He's got less managerial experience than Ole? At least a decent level, he's been doing it awhile, but its very early days for him being involved in a high standard of coaching.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25
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He's got less managerial experience than Ole? At least a decent level, he's been doing it awhile, but its very early days for him being involved in a high standard of coaching.
If a good plan is to know the manager you have kept on will probably continue to fail, so you have hired RVN that no one would have wanted to replace him in the summer to step in when Ten Hag finally goes, so we can then watch him not be good enough for a few months, before they suddenly reveal an elite mystery manager in the summer who no one can think of now, then I agree with you.
And the priority players can just have been Yoro and Ugarte then, as the Dutch link with the other three is not some sort of bizzare coincidence no matter what Ten Hag says.
Yeah bizarre.
I love United signing Dutch players. Always been a fan of the Dutch.
Great let's not do it again some time.
There was no elite manager available.
Ineos have always said they want to unearth diamonds. Just to be clear RVN led PSV to second, a cup and a shield. He left with one game to go with a win percentage of 62%.
He chose to leave due to insufficient support within the club. This isn’t too different to Slot except Slott won the league.
This is his coaching philosophy.
"I love the game, and I love a certain way of playing. At Manchester United, Sir Alex was always pushing us forward. Look forward, play forward, get crosses in, shoot on target. As a player, I loved the way that made me feel. I wanted to play like that, and I want to transmit that same feeling to my teams, to my players."
I want ETH to shock us all and succeed, but I’m also happy to give RVN the season if that can’t happen.
We've been here before though haven't we, the chances of RVN been good enough to manage United is a massive long shot, and he should serve his time working his way up, rather than be thrown in at United in desperate times.
If Ten Hag continues as he is doing now, and is too stubborn or too limited as a manager to change things, then he will be sacked, and then it wouldn't take much for RVN to be able to improve things and get the new manager bounce for a while, but that could end up been the worst thing to happen for United in the long run if he is hired full time on the back of it.
We just need an elite manager of Ineos's choice, or one that has worked his way up and proven himself at a smaller club for a few years who Ineos can justify taking a chance on.
And as for Slot, he hasn't proven anything yet, the wheels could easily fall off soon enough.
Ten Hag has different priorities and may have a different idea of what fit means.
I think what hurting us most is that we aren't really committing in full to the principles of what he is trying to build. That's why he is failing because;
- You need keen presses up front, he is not demanding this and the half hearted efforts expose the whole team.
- The inverting fullback isn't really staying in midfield to help the DM with a short passing option.
- The DM is not a good passer, he can't consistently make the forward passes his quick transitions require. We would be better served having a passer in there than an off the ball monster, don't know how he is going to work it out with Ugarte and Mainoo. This system demands a Scholes type as the DM.
- The defense is not pushing up to compress the space, I think its better to concede from break away goals than to have a swam of opposition players overrunning your midfield and outnumbering the defense.
Like Thomas Frank said last season, they make their first three passes on the turnover and they know they've got big opportunities against us. That's still the case now. Our press is easily bypassed, most teams find a way out through width against us. On top of that, there's always countless options passing through the lines. I've yet to see any team really resort to going long against us, and the few times they have (Palace last season) they were practically through on goal. Any team that is well coached will give us problems.
What's Ten Hag said about it?
A new manager failing is not a big deal, most managers fail. This is the unnecessary pressure that Ineos are putting themselves under, that they have to get the first appointment right and so they hurt the club by keeping a failure in place.
If you name Ruud as interim and he impresses enough to earn a permanent role then you negotiate a 2+1 deal, with the plus one being heavily dependable on tangilbles like CL qualification, trophies etc and you give him a basic salary, say 8m and the rest in incentives and insert the Moyes break clause so that you can sack him early and cheaply if it doesn't work out.
Are Ineos trying to tell us that if there is no elite manager available we will stick with a shit one? That's nonsense, this is still a big and attractive job and not every manager has to be the one to finally win us the title. We could get a transitional manager, give him a relatively breakable contract so that we can sack him if an Alonso or Inzargi becomes available. We can't allow the club to continue on this slide because someone thinks they must get it right on the first try.
Not sure where do you get those ideas of yours but I do think there another angle here and you could see these comments as method of lowering everyone’s expectations against Ugarte. I read and listen a lot of information on how he will improve or save our midfield. I’m pretty sure he will but not every one kicks the ground running from the start.
Less expectation than not passing the ball straight to the opposition? Because that's the bar for that position right now.
Or is he lowering expectations the same way he's lowered it for himself? After all, there are people here saying we bossed Coventry to a penalty shootout win!
You’re right mate. Ten Hag is the next Sir Alex. We just need Yoro healthy, and Hojlund and Shaw, then these tactics will take hold and we’ll take off. And another three years of slow steady progress. We could hit a +10 GD this season, then next +15.
I like how you just ignored his post and wrote some exaggerated nonsense (again)
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
Watched Wales under Bellamy last night and it's night and day from what Page was doing. He's had 4 days with the squad with a number of big injuries and they already played better football than we are watching in ten Hag's third year.
He's managing, game-by-game, because he has failed to convince fans, past and current ownership about his ability to manage a, or his, squad. It's ETH that raises the questions. Three seasons in and he still seems to be seeking answers to questions that his, his actions have raised. The Liverpool defeat, at home, simply exposed that.
Unfortunately, ETH shows little to convince me, or it seems many, that he can change things and thus cannot be allowed to continue too long, because it becomes entrenched, that sense of limitation. We play ok, sometimes quite well, but most of the time we seem disjointed, confused and lacking a plan.
That's the manager's responsibility.
Unfortunately, ETH shows little to convince me, or it seems many, that he can change things and thus cannot be allowed to continue too long, because it becomes entrenched, that sense of limitation. We play ok, sometimes quite well, but most of the time we seem disjointed, confused and lacking a plan.
That's the manager's responsibility.
This is an extremely generous spin on a season in which RVN was criticised for failing to implement a coherent style of play, criticised for an overly reactive approach tactically, criticised for underperforming on the resources available to him, criticised for failing to win the title in a season in which Ajax were very poor, criticised for disappointing in Europe, and ultimately reported to have lost the dressing room by the end of his time there.
PSV fans were generally unhappy with the job he did as manager for them, so I have no idea why anyone would think he'd be a suitable manager at our much higher level.
His resume is even poorer than Ole’s who won titles with Molde and had them quite competitive in Europe given the resources.
Not sure what you’re on about here. I just replied to weird take on another post explaining that there is another side of every story (and too that nonsense of him not wanting to play Amad). Not sure how is it possible that you know better if player is ready than coaching stuff at the club.
Amad had bad luck with injuries. As soon as he started performing, he was getting picked. He started over Garnacho ffs.
When De Ligt was fit, he was picked over Maguire.
When Ugarte has had a few weeks in training, he‘ll play.
All true. But, if executed right, it works. Our press needs to improve and we have to win the second balls.
The game against Brentford was such an abysmal performance that no tactics would have saved us.
At this point all teams in the PL are well coached. If you perform sub par, they can hurt you.
In the end if 10Hag can‘t get it to work, he‘ll be gone.
Well, obviously it is the coaching staff who know whether a player is ready to play. No one disputes that.
However, your hypothesis (or, as you say "another angle") that one of the objectives of these comments from ETH is to lower fan expectations on Ugarte is based on nothing but your imagination.
As you say, not sure how is it possible that you know what is going on in ETH's mind anymore than the poster you were responding to!
I would say Kicker is quite reliable, Bild and their stepchild SportBild are just a toilet bowl.
The Norman Bates/sociopath stuff started during his tenure in Dortmund. His reaction to the bus bombing, his awkwardness, social ineptitude, press conferences, his venomous dead eyes...he just oozes hatred for all life.
The Conte incident. In that moment you saw the Ted Bundy in him, an explosion of uncontrollable anger, in the blink of an eye.
He looks like Ed Gein, too. Norman Bates is based on Ed Gein, so that's where that comes from.
I read on this forum that Peppy Pep is a bit deranged. I rather think that Pep is a poet, writing bizarre stuff to himself, sitting at home, trying to invoke the universe. He is harmless. Pep lives in a different world.
Tuchel lives in this world and wants to see it burned to the ground. The type of person that reads Wasp Factory, then cries and says "that's me...I am not alone". Madness.
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Ugarte playing minutes for Uruguay when TH says he's not fit has the makings of a disaster.
We shouldn't have been letting ugarte go. Not when there's a chance of him getting an injury and fecking us even more.
We shouldn't have been letting ugarte go. Not when there's a chance of him getting an injury and fecking us even more.
You don’t have to be anything like well coached to beat us. Basic semblance has us in pieces time and again; well coached teams destroy us.
Letting him go and actually playing benefits us, as long as he doesn’t get injured, obviously. Much rather he be getting match practice than training back at carrington.
I don’t understand why you’re attacking me. My goal was to do exactly what you are writing. Which is showing that there could be another angle. I never said that is the correct one and I’m right about that. I’m really not sure why you’ve come up with your comments to my original post. I don’t see them relevant to what I wanted to expres so perhaps let’s not continue this further.
Thank feck the option isn't available to change your vote.
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You rewatched the match and somehow missed Bruno strolling about when they scored their second goal when he could have easily followed Diaz into the box. That’s the type of thing that will get Ten Hag sacked as it’s his job to put a stop to it and it’s not just the last match and not just Bruno.
Why do some people here think that ETH didnt want Ugarte? Hes very similar to Edson Alvarez at Ajax: great at breaking attack, crap at anything else. The reason why Baldy didnt play him against Pool is because the club failed to register him for that match, nothing else. He'll play him against Soton from the start i'm convinced about it.
100% factually incorrect.
Still would unless he could implement the INEOS style of play which I would doubt very much
Seems like you don’t know Ugarte either so why talk like you do?
Think you have absolutely nailed what happened
This is my expectation or I'd be ten hag out too. My narrative was around the previous structure and injuries clouding where the root causes were. He's now got a better squad, had a good transfer window and proper support all around him.
Whilst I won't consider 3 games enough data, my expectation is to perform immediately with a style that looks like it's scalable to big honours. If he can't do it after all this then there's no point in continuing the process.
There's absolutely no way the whole control over transfers point was discussed at the last minute. I just can't believe that because it's one of the biggest factors to talk about when entertaining candidates.
Alonso would definitely be my top choice with Nagelsmann and Inzaghi making up top 3, hope INEOS keep Ruud on as strikers coach when Erik goes as feel he's not ready for this job yet