Explain how saying Ten Hag is still the main driving force behind identifying our transfer targets, is 'bashing' him?
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25
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Explain how saying Ten Hag is still the main driving force behind identifying our transfer targets, is 'bashing' him?
You've got problems with the timeline. I'm talking about INEOS and their approach and you're throwing names from previous windows.Ditto.
We have a manager who has shown over several windows that he favours signings Dutch, Ajax and Eredivisie players. Said manager didn't sign a new contract and likely retains the transfer powers he had under the previous owners.
This summer we sign 3 players who are Dutch born and raised, 2 of which are his former Ajax players.
But no apparently Ineos were behind those signings.
I don't know for sure and neither do you but I know what I suspect based on Ten Hag's time at the club.
Eriksen, Malacia, Weighorst, Antony, Martinez, Onana, Amrabat.
Its been reported by the Athletic that de Ligt was an INEOS signing and Zirkzee has as much of an Ashworth footprint on it as any other transfer.
But you're basically being incredibly lazy, covering your ears and not looking at what the tier 1 reports suggest and instead go "DUTCH INNIT"
So why didn't he sign a new contract then?
A new contract that probably/might have came with a raise and likely a bigger payout if he does eventually get sacked.
Regarding the interview, it wasn't a ''vote of confidence'' after three games. That leads to misinformation and that is twisting the narrative. This was an interview BEFORE the Liverpool game. Questions were asked, and answers were given.
Take some things into consideration;
• INEOS first season
• Last season, everything was the Glazer's fault. This season narrative is changed to Ten Hag's responsibility
• There's elements United are playing better, the results don't show that, though
• 3 goals we conceded were down to terrible and amateur individual mistakes, nothing to do with tactics
• The Liverpool defeat - Slot didn't change anything, why is it a shock Liverpool bet us?
Also, remember the following;
• Two years ago we were humiliated by Brentford and Brighton in first two games, we went on to finish third in PL and two cup finals
• United is like a big ship, it needs to be steered when waves are high, and there was a lot of waves Ten Hag had to deal with
Have some calmness, we all share the same thing on here, our love for United. Let the new players fit in, give the manager space to breathe, let the injured players return. One thing fans are good at, every time a new game comes, the spirit is always there at OT. Just be chill, it's week 4 of the club after being completely restructured.
After all, Ten Hag is not Harry Potter
Take some things into consideration;
• INEOS first season
• Last season, everything was the Glazer's fault. This season narrative is changed to Ten Hag's responsibility
• There's elements United are playing better, the results don't show that, though
• 3 goals we conceded were down to terrible and amateur individual mistakes, nothing to do with tactics
• The Liverpool defeat - Slot didn't change anything, why is it a shock Liverpool bet us?
Also, remember the following;
• Two years ago we were humiliated by Brentford and Brighton in first two games, we went on to finish third in PL and two cup finals
• United is like a big ship, it needs to be steered when waves are high, and there was a lot of waves Ten Hag had to deal with
Have some calmness, we all share the same thing on here, our love for United. Let the new players fit in, give the manager space to breathe, let the injured players return. One thing fans are good at, every time a new game comes, the spirit is always there at OT. Just be chill, it's week 4 of the club after being completely restructured.
After all, Ten Hag is not Harry Potter
Opposition fans voting on polls that are obviously intended for United supporters should be an infractable offense IMO
Let's analyze this part of play, where Casemiro did his thing.
1. Casemiro is a dead brain for trying that pass.
2. How is our structure with the ball and also immediately after losing the ball.
This kind of play has been very rampant, is it by coincidence or is by instructions
1. Casemiro is a dead brain for trying that pass.
2. How is our structure with the ball and also immediately after losing the ball.
This kind of play has been very rampant, is it by coincidence or is by instructions
Ironically I believe that's what you are doing, you believe any brief that's fed to the Athletic. The Athletic are reliable but they aren't the gospel, seeing as Ratcliffe/Ineos made a big song and dance about new transfer strategies yet couldn't get Ten Hag to sign a new deal and/or relinquish his transfer powers. You don't think they might be motivated to spin it that they were the ones who identified all our signings?
So let's look at it, Ten Hag under the previous regime identifed these players for the club to sign.
Eriksen - Ajax
Martinez - Ajax
Antony - Ajax
Malacia - Dutch
Weighorst -Dutch
Amrabat - Dutch (born and raised)
Onana - Ajax
But this summer Ineos coincidentally identified, completely independent of Ten Hag the following?
Mazrouri - Ajax + Dutch (born and raised)
Deligt - Ajax + Dutch
Zirkzee - Dutch
As I said I don't know for sure and neither do you but I know what I suspect. What is the problem anyway, do you interprit this as some sort of criticism of Erik?
Agree with both actually.
It's hard to assess this squad but I feel we are underachieving terribly. This group should be doing so much better. Like you can't tell me Brighton with Gilmour and Milner in CM should be better than us.
Well thats the point i am making. I was just generalising between him and Arteta."Already showing improvement"? In his third full season Klopp got 97 points in the Premier League and won the Champions League
You probably are going to have quite a few who think Brighton have a much better team than us. Just remember last year people were actually arguing our squad had no chance against Palace because they were much stronger and it had nothing to do with manager.
As I've said already, the INEOS model is different, and you keep throwing in transfers predating this. It's really not the "gotcha" moment you think it is.
Athletic (and skysports) and Ten Hag's own words that De Ligt was suggested to him and not the other way round definitely weights a feck ton more in terms of credibility compared to your "but he's dutch!".
Honestly it's such braindead logic. Zirkzee and Ten Hag didn't even overlap in careers for fecksake
I don't know but I think it was because it would not have contained his transfer veto. INEOS are apparently moving to a model where the head coach is not the be all and end all so ETH renegotiating in two years time is fine by them but him having a long term transfer veto is not. I don't doubt they want to sack him and would have done if there were another candidate who could offer some continuity on the things they value.
That's the argument I see too, the suitable replacements supposedly aren't there (although Liverpool found Slot who already looks tactically superior to Ten Hag).
Also, giving him a chance to work with the new signings. I'd say Erik has til Christmas to turn things around, he'll have no excuses by then.
I'm sure he'll have many.
It doesn’t really matter I suppose
I never said there aren’t any available. I just said it is the DOF and the Board to get that to happen. How many thought Slot would start on a good note for Liverpool? Yet if we go by your logic, Liverpool should have just given up hope because their fans would not have been able to give a name better than Klopp and who was attainable.
Anyway we are going in circles with you asking inane questions on providing names as if I am holding discussions with them. I will let this be now.
If INEOS has decided this is a throwaway season and that they intend to sack ETH in May, so be it. But the price of doing so may be higher than they might think. Stating the obvious, it's critical for us to be competitive this season. If this were just the one dropoff season, like Liverpool had a few seasons ago, no big deal. But we've been more or less dogshit for a decade now, not once really being in the hunt for the PL trophy, and we've become a laughingstock.
INEOS should trust me on this one...you don't want to be a laughingstock.
INEOS should trust me on this one...you don't want to be a laughingstock.
I'm beginning to come round to the idea that the players are not that bad. It's the way the manager sets the team up that is the problem. The manager is not good enough.
Definitely better than this goose head! With their support I feel like Ole could have done better.
Absolutely. This isn’t a title winning squad but with a competent manager we could definitely be in the mix for top 4 and at least contend with the top 3. Remember Ole had a worse squad and came 2nd.
Ole never had a proper DM,or a Martinez (1st season)
Even a club like West Ham have higher standards of their manager than we do. They finished one place below us last season and won a trophy the season before last but because they had bigger ambitions, they parted ways with David Moyes.
We're an immeasurably bigger football club and the way some of our fans behave are as though we're minnows. I don't know what actually has to happen to this football club before the penny drops with some that this manager doesn't belong here. He must be the worst manager in the league pound for pound at this point.
I loved Dutch people, but It's not a real reason to pick players for the biggest club in the world. He didn't manage to pick Rashi up, neither other good players, like scottM who performs batter under other managers, sold all English and Manchester born players , trashed Ole's singing (Harry, wan bisaka) to bring ajax legacy. Ridiculous. He should be replaced with management who UNDERSTANDS the United way and desire to win PL and and become the best team in the world. Not to be arsenal fa cup legends.
Or defense. Or wingers. Or striker (except one year with Martial).
Two trophies. And almost won the community shield
It's sad that most fans have been here with ETH, Ole and Jose. It just shows how we aren't proactive in the slightest.
Anybody Liverpool found would’ve given us a game on Sunday, all he’s done is go in there keep those plates spinning. They were already a team capable of giving us a hiding. It’s a different job to coming into a club at their lowest ebb and transforming it from top to bottom.
Not saying Ten Hag doesn’t deserve criticism, just saying I’ve seen a few people getting misty eyed over Slot since Sunday so thought I’d point that out.
Proper DM and CB addition to Ole's team of - Rashi Greenwood Cavani Martial Bruno Shaw WanBisk HarryM FredMct(as squad players) would have made them a top top squad. They played really well but we always failed on depth of squad and lack of proper 1st team DM (matic got old) maybe CM to partner Bruno and CB
ETH is trying to do what I want and failing. That puts him above Jose (successfully doing what I didn't want) and the others (failing to do what I didn't want.)
Until I'm convinced he's failing because of his own flaws and not the clubs, I will support him. I think the success of Ugarte in transforming the team is probably the hill he lives or dies on.
Absolutely spot on about Slot. He was brought into a side that have had success, for continuity. If he lasts that long, let's see how he rebuilds.
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How do we play... This.
The gap between attacking players and defence is huge, for any modern team.
How comes, the coaching staff still persist on this type of playing.
Shocking...
The gap between attacking players and defence is huge, for any modern team.
How comes, the coaching staff still persist on this type of playing.
Shocking...
I hear you, but surely the players would at least take something from that game – at least around tracking back. Maybe, as you say, they won't if they don't feel there's a plan.
Even if any of them don’t want us to play like that, it’s literally their job to try and make what ETH wants work.
This system doesn’t work unless we have players with pinpoint passing accuracy and decision making in the final third. Each mistake is a give away for the opposition to counter against a few defenders and a weak midfield.
The system he’s trying to play is positive and what all fans expected from a tactical manager. But I think he’s stubborn in his way of thinking and style of play, which is okay, but not with the right set of players in key positions like CDM/ LW/ AM/ ST, that’s the image I’m getting right now.
Either we back him, and hope that these players suddenly transform into great decision makers, but I don’t see that happening any time soon.
I think we need a couple of months, analyze if he can gel this new team (with Ugarte maybe) that he made with his preferred players and go from there.
Can very well see Tuchel coming in after that if it doesn’t work out. We might not see the best attacking football, but that’s better than seeing games completely out of our hands with a couple bad decisions/passes on the pitch.
It shows bravery and belief to have the guile to play like this, but there’s a thin line between that and being impractical and foolish. He’s standing right on the edge of that line now.
The system he’s trying to play is positive and what all fans expected from a tactical manager. But I think he’s stubborn in his way of thinking and style of play, which is okay, but not with the right set of players in key positions like CDM/ LW/ AM/ ST, that’s the image I’m getting right now.
Either we back him, and hope that these players suddenly transform into great decision makers, but I don’t see that happening any time soon.
I think we need a couple of months, analyze if he can gel this new team (with Ugarte maybe) that he made with his preferred players and go from there.
Can very well see Tuchel coming in after that if it doesn’t work out. We might not see the best attacking football, but that’s better than seeing games completely out of our hands with a couple bad decisions/passes on the pitch.
It shows bravery and belief to have the guile to play like this, but there’s a thin line between that and being impractical and foolish. He’s standing right on the edge of that line now.
Nothing to do with the tacticsAfter all, Ten Hag is not Harry Potter
Some of you seemingly don't know how today's football works. If for whatever reason Erik doesn't reach the standards given by the board and we need to move on, we need to find a manager with a similar mold whose tactical setup is highly based on the same type of players. It's not like we can do from LVG to Mourinho again - that's like night & day.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/big_chance_missed
That's one particular stat that the people who want ETH sacked asap don't like. There are glaring mistakes in our play still, but a lot has improved from last season and we continue to work more and more on that.
The Big chances missed show that, we get the opportunities to score, but the players haven't finished them.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/big_chance_missed
That's one particular stat that the people who want ETH sacked asap don't like. There are glaring mistakes in our play still, but a lot has improved from last season and we continue to work more and more on that.
The Big chances missed show that, we get the opportunities to score, but the players haven't finished them.
Yup, sack the players and order a new XI on Amazon.
As I've said already, the INEOS model is different, and you keep throwing in transfers predating this. It's really not the "gotcha" moment you think it is.
Athletic (and skysports) and Ten Hag's own words that De Ligt was suggested to him and not the other way round definitely weights a feck ton more in terms of credibility compared to your "but he's dutch!".
Honestly it's such braindead logic. Zirkzee and Ten Hag didn't even overlap in careers for fecksake
Speaking of braindead logic why are laughing at something you've invented? When did I say their careers overlapped?
Yeah of course it is.
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I think we DO track back pretty well, but you’re going to be absolutely exhausted if you’re expect to press into the opposition box, then track back once they break said press, and THEN attack as quickly as possible in transition when we do finally regain possession. Doing all 3 is impossibly difficult for 90 minutes and it’s why by minute 70 the game turns into an end to end training session until someone scores finally.
Yes and he didn't sign said contract, so that would mean he still has his transfer powers agreed with the previous regime then yes?