Now that's a much more valid criticism of ETH.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25
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Now that's a much more valid criticism of ETH.
You just said it there...Southgate seemingly can't. Not any manager can fluke a cup and ETH's cup record with us is to his credit and speaks against the idea that he's fluked them.
Keeping him was one thing.
Extending the contract absolute mania.
Extending the contract absolute mania.
We had more of the ball, do you realise how big a deal that is? Compared to what we’ve seen. We were solid. We were good. Not perfect. Didn’t deserve to lose. Stop the drama.
Top 4 after 5 games was the benchmark of my patience given how dire on the whole last year was and I can see he won't make it. So fek it, 2 games in I'm ETH out.
I disagree. We weren’t.
Yeah, fair. Still no option for Mainoo.
You're probably right, though maybe if we're lucky we'll finish 4th place here and there.
If INEOS was really serious about wanting to win top trophies and their comment was more than just lip service, they should really be looking at other managers throughout this season.
We were. Simple as that. Draw probably fair but in no world did we deserve to lose.
I can see a central 4 of Martinez, De Ligt, Mainoo, Ugarte/Casemiro only continuing to get dragged all over the place chasing the ball with how they play. But that seems to be kind of chaos that Ten Hag and most here want.
What has the age of the manager got to do with anything?
He's not entirely responsible for today - even if I'm still not impressed with the way he sets us up or his generally principle of play - so not need to pull the rug from under him for this alone.
Will watch to see how we evolve as a team this season. That first half looked like we were trying to be a bit more calm on the ball and find teammates even if we were static as hell. The second half though, we resorted to last season's ping pong ball, which although rewarding (in terms of creating chances), is unsustainable, and with the players we have is straight up suicidal.
If he does end up getting fired during the season I will never forgive Ineos for having us waste and entire summer and more on him when better, more adept managers were available.
Will watch to see how we evolve as a team this season. That first half looked like we were trying to be a bit more calm on the ball and find teammates even if we were static as hell. The second half though, we resorted to last season's ping pong ball, which although rewarding (in terms of creating chances), is unsustainable, and with the players we have is straight up suicidal.
If he does end up getting fired during the season I will never forgive Ineos for having us waste and entire summer and more on him when better, more adept managers were available.
I've seen enough from our players to be confident in saying we have a really good team and squad this season once the Ugarte signing goes through. There's no excuses for Ten Hag not performing well. We need good football and results. Simple as. There's no excuses for him this season and it's time to play like a quality team.
I somehow doubt SJR will tolerate another season of 8th place mediocrity with the manager he came within a whisker of sacking just two months ago. A likelier scenario is ETH is let go early following a string of poor results and Ruud takes over for the rest of the year. That way, the Dutch contingent of ETH players don’t suddenly become surplus to requirements. Then, at end of season they can look at permanent solutions. Sad that we’re already discussing the manager’s job just two games in, but then again the decision to keep ETH wasn’t without risk.
No we were not.
Let me tell how he plays:
0-15 mins - players are told to control possession with meaningless passing from CB to GK to CB to FB. It is like he is trying to see our opponent setup.
16-30 mins - we start looking for opening or mistakes by opponents.
30-45 mins - players are tired from pressing, body language will show and players starts shaking their heads.
We have control 1st half with a few chances but we don't score. In some games, the opponent will score thru' a mistake or quick counter.
2nd half
We becomes more aggressive and desperate with clocking ticking down. Games becomes more and more open with chances both sides. We will win by an odd goal or we will lose by more goals if we are behind. That's ETH football. Brighton also caught us sleeping at the start of the 2nd half, that's a clever coach. I don't understand why Ineos renew his contract. He isn't the manager who can bring us to the next level. I want a manager to wants the team to attack from the get go. A manager to tells the wingers to run at defenders. I see a lot of back passing in this game again. I honestly think we will finish 6-8 again this season.
0-15 mins - players are told to control possession with meaningless passing from CB to GK to CB to FB. It is like he is trying to see our opponent setup.
16-30 mins - we start looking for opening or mistakes by opponents.
30-45 mins - players are tired from pressing, body language will show and players starts shaking their heads.
We have control 1st half with a few chances but we don't score. In some games, the opponent will score thru' a mistake or quick counter.
2nd half
We becomes more aggressive and desperate with clocking ticking down. Games becomes more and more open with chances both sides. We will win by an odd goal or we will lose by more goals if we are behind. That's ETH football. Brighton also caught us sleeping at the start of the 2nd half, that's a clever coach. I don't understand why Ineos renew his contract. He isn't the manager who can bring us to the next level. I want a manager to wants the team to attack from the get go. A manager to tells the wingers to run at defenders. I see a lot of back passing in this game again. I honestly think we will finish 6-8 again this season.
Just need another 200m window, and we'd eventually reach that dreamland top 4.
Yes, can see where you're coming from, particularly around the 'death or Glory' approach as opposed to trying to control games. I think the thing I find tough is that we do show passages of cohesive, intricate play where it looks like if we get the balance right we can build something special. Like I said, it is looking increasingly unlikely that ETH is the guy to bring it all together but I will be interested to see how we look when the new bodies slot in properly.
Was Ten Hag at fault for today's result? I think he was. HOWEVER, after reading so many comments the freak out is unbelievable. I see now why the likes of TalkSport are popular. Last week everyone said Ten Hag did a great job and today he's been called a clown, muppet and out of his dept. A lot on here need to chill. I know emotions are running high but we have improved. We are so far behind the top teams in the league and so many are acting as if we are back at that level, we're not. Expectations are too high for the point we are at.
Our pressing is better. It's far from perfect but nobody can say it hasn't improved since last season. We created chances and we had two goals unfortunately but fairly disallowed. My point being we put the ball in Brighton's net 3 times.
Casemiro is odd. He makes a great tackle then the next one he's a mile away. He makes an unbelievable pass then makes a terrible one.
Ten Hag's biggest mistake today was probably taking Bruno off. We stopped playing football when Bruno came off. Rashford just isn't right, he needs to find his edge back, he needs his mojo back. I don't think he should start the next game. Garnacho needs to start the next game - he was playing in Copa America and arrived back later than the others for pre season but we can't afford to rest him, unfortunately. Felt bad for Zirkzee, he just couldn't stop sliding when he was running in through Brighton's defence and cost us the goal and, he wasn't amazing but he didn't do anything wrong I don't think.
And lastly, a reminder its the second game of the season. The club invested heavily in Ten Hag and backed new coaching staff behind him. Ten Hag is not going anywhere anytime soon. The powers that be won't freak out over one game but, they won't want to be seeing Ten Hag make mistakes like today too often.
Buckle up and keep the faith, we will bounce back. When? I'm not sure. But what I do now, when we do.... it's going to be sweet
Our pressing is better. It's far from perfect but nobody can say it hasn't improved since last season. We created chances and we had two goals unfortunately but fairly disallowed. My point being we put the ball in Brighton's net 3 times.
Casemiro is odd. He makes a great tackle then the next one he's a mile away. He makes an unbelievable pass then makes a terrible one.
Ten Hag's biggest mistake today was probably taking Bruno off. We stopped playing football when Bruno came off. Rashford just isn't right, he needs to find his edge back, he needs his mojo back. I don't think he should start the next game. Garnacho needs to start the next game - he was playing in Copa America and arrived back later than the others for pre season but we can't afford to rest him, unfortunately. Felt bad for Zirkzee, he just couldn't stop sliding when he was running in through Brighton's defence and cost us the goal and, he wasn't amazing but he didn't do anything wrong I don't think.
And lastly, a reminder its the second game of the season. The club invested heavily in Ten Hag and backed new coaching staff behind him. Ten Hag is not going anywhere anytime soon. The powers that be won't freak out over one game but, they won't want to be seeing Ten Hag make mistakes like today too often.
Buckle up and keep the faith, we will bounce back. When? I'm not sure. But what I do now, when we do.... it's going to be sweet
This is absolutely not true. We had the better chances and the stats suggested the same.
Today was a much trickier tie and I don't even think Brighton deserved the win on balance of how the game went. We made a big mistake positionally at the end for the goal, but to paint a narrative that it's all the same as last season is quite poor. It's nothing like that.
I remember a lot about when we were good by the way, we weren't average against Fulham. We weren't red hot either but I'd say the performance was solid enough.
We lost 14 games last season in the league. Seems like more than just a coin flip. We're already two games in and experienced our first loss in very similar fashion.
We cleared a ball of the line and had a ball headed onto the bar. We also looked generally clueless going forward and shaky at the back. We had Casemiro as pretty much our only midfielder for the second half again and played against a team with a new 32 year old manager fielding Milner and Danny Welbeck. Still lost after spending over 100 millions on a manager hugely backed financially in the last seasons as well.
xG is absolutely awful for determining who was the better team or who 'deserved' to win any given game.
That Garnacho goal for example is zero xG because it'd technically just be an offside 'pass' to Zirkzee.
Right, plus the two we gave them were basically +1 each. It doesn't really tell the story, xG, and especially not today.
A disgrace?! Losing to a last minute goal away to Brighton? That's a bit melodramatic, no?
They played a single new signing.
At some point we gotta start wanting more than this, right?
I admire your ability twist the reality to be in favour of Erik. Ferguson's injuries have prevented him from being their preferred 9. Estupinan missed most of last season solely due to injuries (just like Shaw). He was dead-cert to start at LB otherwise. And unlike us, we managed to secure a back-up already. A 40-year old and and a player they have been looking to sell won the midfield battle today.
Except we were.
He’s a 30 odd year old, very inexperienced, brand new manager who just beat a manager who has 10+ years in the role.
This was his second ever top flight match. Of course it matters.
One couldn't seriously make that argument - Welbeck's header hitting the bar was a very low percentage effort, and it's not a sure goal if it's crawling along slowly enough for Dalot to get back and clear it 2 yards off the goal line.
We were legitimately unlucky with an actually certain goal being ruled out for offside because it hit Zirkzee before crossing the line.
We had numerous great attacking opportunities today that were wasted due to poor passes or decision making, and the goals we conceded were due to awful defending. The latter is something we need to work on, no doubt, but we never deserved to lose this match and the histrionics in this thread are just silly.
#hagforpresident
It definitely doesn't, nor should it
I'd be interested to see a heatmap to see how the possession signified ball progression because United kept the ball mostly by recycling passes among the defense, much of the same argument could be made for LVG.
Alternatively the stats signify 53% / 47% so its still a match that was shared predominantly on an even basis. I would have expected better given the midfield of Brighton consisted of James Milner and Billy Gilmour.
I understand United have improved from last season but as the stats show we are talking increments and not substantive strides which isn't good enough for both the club's stature and a manager approaching 36 months in charge backed to the hill of 600+ million.
We really weren't. Although we should have been with the amounts of money spent on that squad
And then it misleads about the balance of the game.. which is the point